Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[speedchuck]

That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.

LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball

I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.

I...what? Did you read my post?

Yes?

[nutella]

Wagonomics is terrible.

Equity is terrible.

EV is terrible.

Sticking an exclamation mark into a two-word phrase to indicate a hypothetical e.g. scum!JJJ is terrible.

"____ is always mafia here" is terrible.

WIM is terrible.

Lingo is terrible.

Wow, thank you for saying that out loud. I don't use any of these terms, and almost always find them to be a) terrible, or b) playing Mafia at a different level than I play, which is intimidating.

Can you please say something about the relevant content in the thread? This is a very awkward time to be OT-bantering.

[ts account]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

[Funnygurl555]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

[nutella]

That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.

LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball

I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.

I...what? Did you read my post?

Yes?

I think you may have misread it. I am accusing you of being scum who fell into a trap set by a town Tony.

[nutella]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Yeah that is certainly a possibility here.

[speedchuck]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

[Sloonei]

This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

Turnip Head on Long Con as the clock ticked away with Long Con tied for the lead Day 1.

Day 1 poll:

Spoiler: show

ugh

[Funnygurl555]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

[nutella]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

Having just played Avalon for the first time, it's like Mordred, who is mafia, not independent. Yes, I have also seen 3P roles with a similar deal, but I'm preeeetty sure the OP confirms there are no 3P in this game? As in he said there are explicitly only two factions

[speedchuck]

That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.

LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball

I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.

I...what? Did you read my post?

Yes?

I think you may have misread it. I am accusing you of being scum who fell into a trap set by a town Tony.

Oh. I was referring to Tony's side of things. The laying of the supposed trap. It didn't occur to me to respond to your actual accusation.

[speedchuck]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

[TonyStarkPrime]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

[speedchuck]

oooooooooooh, what if tony wants to know who desmond is because they have to know who's desmond to kill them?

we have mechanics like that on ffr

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

Are they?

[Long Con]

Wagonomics is terrible.

Equity is terrible.

EV is terrible.

Sticking an exclamation mark into a two-word phrase to indicate a hypothetical e.g. scum!JJJ is terrible.

"____ is always mafia here" is terrible.

WIM is terrible.

Lingo is terrible.

Wow, thank you for saying that out loud. I don't use any of these terms, and almost always find them to be a) terrible, or b) playing Mafia at a different level than I play, which is intimidating.

Can you please say something about the relevant content in the thread? This is a very awkward time to be OT-bantering.

Awkward? Not sure what you mean, but I'm a few pages behind and reading.

[nutella]

That sounds like something I would do... on D1 or D2. Not in LYLO.

LyLo is the only time it makes sense goofball

I don't fake traps in LYLO. It's not a good time to start causing a ruckus if you're town.

I...what? Did you read my post?

Yes?

I think you may have misread it. I am accusing you of being scum who fell into a trap set by a town Tony.

Oh. I was referring to Tony's side of things. The laying of the supposed trap. It didn't occur to me to respond to your actual accusation.

lol

[Sloonei]

Maybe nanook could just get in here and tell us who's mafia.

[speedchuck]

Host post:

A character's alignment in the video game(s) is not tied to their alignment in this game (i.e., Ezio can be mafia, Shay can be town, etc.), and alignments are randed after character assignment.

Characters are randomized. Nothing there says anything about roles. So it depends on whether Nanook had different versions of each role available for alignment, as I usually do if I'm theorizing a setup like this.
Given the weirdness of a 'kill desmond' role (assuming you're finally telling the truth, there) I wouldn't count on that.

[nutella]

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

Are they?

Ehhhh, the OP says "alignments are randed after character assignment" but that doesn't necessarily mean that once alignment is assigned the role isn't adapted to fit the alignment. Otherwise there could be roles that just don't make sense in the alignment they ended up in. Like in Fire Emblem, we got specific extra things as part of the roles because we were mafia. Right?

[nutella]

Host post:

A character's alignment in the video game(s) is not tied to their alignment in this game (i.e., Ezio can be mafia, Shay can be town, etc.), and alignments are randed after character assignment.

Characters are randomized. Nothing there says anything about roles. So it depends on whether Nanook had different versions of each role available for alignment, as I usually do if I'm theorizing a setup like this.
Given the weirdness of a 'kill desmond' role (assuming you're finally telling the truth, there) I wouldn't count on that.

Jinxed

[speedchuck]

Basically agreed with you there nutella, yeah.

But I don't know whether I can put any confidence on my knowledge of the setup. Never played a nanook game before.

[Sloonei]

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

Are they?

Yes

[Sloonei]

oh hm

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC is gonna be so confused after he catches up

[Long Con]

LC is gonna be so confused after he catches up

LOL why? So far a lot of the talk is about you using a specific-character-kill. I don't really get the confusion, maybe it's because you slowplayed the claim so much. I've seen that type of role as both town and Mafia aligned before, and it's not that uncomon.

[nutella]

LC is gonna be so confused after he catches up

LOL why? So far a lot of the talk is about you using a specific-character-kill. I don't really get the confusion, maybe it's because you slowplayed the claim so much. I've seen that type of role as both town and Mafia aligned before, and it's not that uncomon.

i tink uz need 2 luk closr

[TonyStarkPrime]

LC is gonna be so confused after he catches up

LOL why? So far a lot of the talk is about you using a specific-character-kill. I don't really get the confusion, maybe it's because you slowplayed the claim so much. I've seen that type of role as both town and Mafia aligned before, and it's not that uncomon.

look a normal person

[Long Con]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

[TonyStarkPrime]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

no I take back the normal person thing

[nutella]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I suppose that would make more sense. In line with the anti monitor from GoC

[Long Con]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

OH, so he can just make the kill happen by snapping his Gauntlet, but he doesn't know if it's Civ or bad? That is wack.

[nutella]

The way LC put it would make a bit more sense though, so I think it is reasonably likely that Tony was lying about that.

[nutella]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

OH, so he can just make the kill happen by snapping his Gauntlet, but he doesn't know if it's Civ or bad? That is wack.

Yeah, as Jay put it, it's pretty wack because if it's a civ it just loses the game and if it's mafia it's just a free mafia kill. And if he's mafia it's just a free extra kill that would also win them the game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

I really don't think it's that good

[nutella]

I suppose that would make more sense. In line with the anti monitor from GoC

So, that's what it really is, right? You were just messing with us?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I suppose that would make more sense. In line with the anti monitor from GoC

So, that's what it really is, right? You were just messing with us?

no I don't have to know

[ts account]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

I really don't think it's that good

It is more broken in the sense that it is nonfunctional.

[Long Con]

Tony, you gonna use it tonight?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I suppose that would make more sense. In line with the anti monitor from GoC

So, that's what it really is, right? You were just messing with us?

no I don't have to know

But they're functionally the same, right? I'm never reasonably choosing to kill someone without knowing who I'm hitting?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony, you gonna use it tonight?

I'd really hope to have more information before I use it, but if it looks certain that I'll be lynched in two days if I don't then I really have no choice.

[Long Con]

I suppose that would make more sense. In line with the anti monitor from GoC

So, that's what it really is, right? You were just messing with us?

no I don't have to know

But they're functionally the same, right? I'm never reasonably choosing to kill someone without knowing who I'm hitting?

I don't find them the same at all.

[nutella]

Tony, you gonna use it tonight?

I'd really hope to have more information before I use it, but if it looks certain that I'll be lynched in two days if I don't then I really have no choice.

Well I guess we just have to hope that you're town and Desmond is mafia. Which to be fair is probably the version that would make the closest to some sense balance-wise I guess there's just like... a bit of a mindgame involved.

[speedchuck]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

I really don't think it's that good

Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.

[Long Con]

speedchuck screaming in here with LIAR and voting for Not Epignosis stinks something awful

i mean this is good info 'cause this is just way too much for tsp / speed to be partners. unless this is another thing y'all do on this forum

that helps me 'cause it means lc's a good lynch after epi

If Epignosis' lynch is nigh-inevitable today, then that's a great way to do some distancing.

[nutella]

I find it unlikely though. Why would you just have the ability to decide to use it on Night 1 and kill a mafia for free.

Yeah no I take that thing about balance back. That is absolutely wack. Lol

[nutella]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

I really don't think it's that good

Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.

Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony, you gonna use it tonight?

I'd really hope to have more information before I use it, but if it looks certain that I'll be lynched in two days if I don't then I really have no choice.

Well I guess we just have to hope that you're town and Desmond is mafia. Which to be fair is probably the version that would make the closest to some sense balance-wise I guess there's just like... a bit of a mindgame involved.

mind games are cool

[nutella]

Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself

Yeah I'm pretty sure this has to be the answer. I solved it guys. Nanook is just screwing with our heads. Knowing how he likes to think several levels ahead as a player (e.g. what he did in the baseball heist) it checks out.

[speedchuck]

LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?

No, he said that he kills the role and he doesn't have to know who they are. If he's not lying about this, it's a very broken role.

I really don't think it's that good

Not if it's town targeting town or mafia targeting mafia.

The role is either a partial win button or unusable. I guess the question is whether it makes sense to change the game from hunting and reading players to wheedling for names to make sure you aren't shooting yourself in the foot.

So no, the role doesn't make sense to me, and the way it was revealed makes less sense.

Maybe the purpose of the role is just the mindgame itself

But that's not really mafia? A reward for guts with no counterplay or chance to it.

Might be getting too far off into game theory here, which is something I love. The question is, is Tony telling the truth, and is he town?