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[Master Radishes]

Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

You just watched me play a very distinctive scumgame sir. Is it my town game you're missing?

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

[speedchuck]

If I had a good suspect among the active players I’d be voting them

Generally speaking, one of the harder things for me to do as scum is make up reasons to scumread the town players. I also have trouble with being on the wrong side of history in lynches. It's why I like playing scum in multi-team games better than in normal games, because I can actually hunt.

What you're doing here is not hunting or committing to anything, and that skews scum.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I had a good suspect among the active players I’d be voting them

Generally speaking, one of the harder things for me to do as scum is make up reasons to scumread the town players. I also have trouble with being on the wrong side of history in lynches. It's why I like playing scum in multi-team games better than in normal games, because I can actually hunt.

What you're doing here is not hunting or committing to anything, and that skews scum.

That’s cool.

I don’t have that issue.

[speedchuck]

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I don't have him pinned entirely as scum, but the top-townread status is weird.

Spoiler: show

Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Language is important.

[speedchuck]

If I had a good suspect among the active players I’d be voting them

Generally speaking, one of the harder things for me to do as scum is make up reasons to scumread the town players. I also have trouble with being on the wrong side of history in lynches. It's why I like playing scum in multi-team games better than in normal games, because I can actually hunt.

What you're doing here is not hunting or committing to anything, and that skews scum.

That’s cool.

I don’t have that issue.

... nice response.

Light scumread.

[juliets]

You just watched me play a very distinctive scumgame sir. Is it my town game you're missing?

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

Nanook, I'm taking a look at your play in The Wire where you were scum and see where you made a comment about chilling in scum chat, which made me take another look at this post. Is there another game you can think of where you made the same kind of joke as town? I don't want to falsely see this as AI if it's not.

GOC

Thanks Nanook. You have seemed towny to me, you're not someone I want to vote for today. Same goes for 112, nutella, Hyena or sig.

My power has just come back on from a nasty storm this morning so I'm going to catch up and try to narrow down who to vote for.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

[speedchuck]

And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

[Master Radishes]

Language is important.

Yeah. I use language analysis all the time. But his is basic. He's just saying I don't sound certain enough.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I had a good suspect among the active players I’d be voting them

Generally speaking, one of the harder things for me to do as scum is make up reasons to scumread the town players. I also have trouble with being on the wrong side of history in lynches. It's why I like playing scum in multi-team games better than in normal games, because I can actually hunt.

What you're doing here is not hunting or committing to anything, and that skews scum.

That’s cool.

I don’t have that issue.

... nice response.

Light scumread.

I mean, you’re SRing me based on your own weaknesses. I don’t have a problem going after townies as scum

[112]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

To be fair he did the same thing in the other game I played with him. Where, admitelly, he was bad. But it seemed like he as being honest about his opinion on scumhunting.

Nanook doesn't believe in scumhunting early game. He would rather spend the first few days meme'ing and spamming the thread until some scum randomly dies, where he will then employ hard logic and wagonomics to puzzle who the remaining scum is.

I expect him to start yelling at us for not following his specific wagonomics strategy about... 3 days from now.

There is also a 50% chance he will yell at me in a few minutes for not being accurate enough in my description of his thought proccess. He tends to be touchy about that too.

[112]

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I wasn't expecting this.

You went from early MR accuser to biggest MR defender and now back to voting him. What changed?

[Master Radishes]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

[Master Radishes]

...like he doesn't have a stronger scumread.

FTFY.

[nutella]

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

Townie thought process, mindmelds

[Master Radishes]

And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

To be fair, I think Nanook sounds normal enough tonally.

But sticking to the PC vote could be scum uncertain how to get off onto someone else.

[nutella]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

[nutella]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

To be fair he did the same thing in the other game I played with him. Where, admitelly, he was bad. But it seemed like he as being honest about his opinion on scumhunting.

Nanook doesn't believe in scumhunting early game. He would rather spend the first few days meme'ing and spamming the thread until some scum randomly dies, where he will then employ hard logic and wagonomics to puzzle who the remaining scum is.

I expect him to start yelling at us for not following his specific wagonomics strategy about... 3 days from now.

There is also a 50% chance he will yell at me in a few minutes for not being accurate enough in my description of his thought proccess. He tends to be touchy about that too.

How could you so blatantly misrepresent my approach, wow, this is maybe the most trash opinion I’ve seen today and that’s saying something.

[nutella]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

Yeah. This.


Mindmeld city.

[112]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

You play however you want.

I'll just vote you if I don't like it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

[nutella]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?

Because it's true? Because I'm not worried about anyone looking at me in the first place?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

Which one wasn't serious, the townread or the vote?

[nutella]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

No. I don't like this coming from you. I thought we had similar styles and you understood the concept of uncertainty in reads. This is a really, really, really bad look on you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

No. I don't like this coming from you. I thought we had similar styles and you understood the concept of uncertainty in reads. This is a really, really, really bad look on you.

There's uncertainity in reads and there is a string of 3 posts that could be interpreted as both reading LC good or bad. If you are uncertain, be clear about your uncertainity, don't use misleading language.

[nutella]

Well I guess you interpreted those posts differently because I thought it was pretty clear that LC was a pretty strong townread for him.

[speedchuck]

And by 'nice' I mean what do I even do with that.

"I scumread you because you are dealing with issues that scumpeople have."

"Nah fam that ain't me."

linki: this is about my nanook response

To be fair he did the same thing in the other game I played with him. Where, admitelly, he was bad. But it seemed like he as being honest about his opinion on scumhunting.

Nanook doesn't believe in scumhunting early game. He would rather spend the first few days meme'ing and spamming the thread until some scum randomly dies, where he will then employ hard logic and wagonomics to puzzle who the remaining scum is.

I expect him to start yelling at us for not following his specific wagonomics strategy about... 3 days from now.

There is also a 50% chance he will yell at me in a few minutes for not being accurate enough in my description of his thought proccess. He tends to be touchy about that too.

Okay, scumread weakened I guess.

On a NAI note, if everyone played mafia like this, scum would win 90% of games.

[juliets]

Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.

His posts felt overly excited to me but I can't decide if that's just because he's thrilled to be playing with us or he's trying too hard to sound civ. He said last night he would be here more today, maybe he meant this evening. I need to hear more from him.

[Tangrowth]

Catching up now. I'm multigaming (champs practice game on MU and I won't say more than that) and working from home, so I'm wearing myself a bit thinner than I'd like.

[Tangrowth]

So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

Would you say that's different than LC normally?

[Tangrowth]

I feel reasonably confident at this point that LC and MR are town. I also found DDL's more recent posts towny (for reasons I believe MR described) but I also thought 112's take on his lack of enthusiasm as potentially AI made sense, so I'm more ambivalent there. I do really vibe with MR's Tony gripes so gonna move my vote there. [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Can you expand on your confidence there?

[Tangrowth]

Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.

Which posts specifically?

Lynching me on D1 in any given game is a ballsy move; I clear myself pretty easily over time.

[Tangrowth]

Tony has very few game relevant posts. He's spent more time talking about spew and alex jones than actually playing. I don't have a problem with his initial ddl vote, but the fact that his only suspicions come down to ddl=bad and speed=disingenous is not great.

He did say he was playing in three games at once, but he's had time to post here. Even gut reactions would be nice, but scum don't have guts.

Yeah, I noticed the lack of game relevant posts, too. I think the main thing that had kept me from joining his wagon in the last 12-24 hours was that Long Con was on the wagon. I like him more now though, and MR has been continuing to settle into town territory in my head.

I might try to start a wagon on a lurker though (Poison in this case since Nanook seems open to them), just to see what happens.

What do you think would happen, and how would that inform your reads if the subject of your vote isn't really posting?

[Tangrowth]

Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.

If you're going to actually get on this line of thinking and talk about -EV plays, then tell me how lynching me D1 isn't -EV.

[Tangrowth]

Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.

Same

And so I ask you, which posts specifically?

[Tangrowth]

Great move though, guys, trying to get me more invested by suspecting me Day 1. Galaxy brain stuff.

[Tangrowth]

Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.

I'll burn this thread to the ground before I allow a D1 mislynch to happen.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

You just watched me play a very distinctive scumgame sir. Is it my town game you're missing?

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

This is town DDL.

[Tangrowth]

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I still think he's mildly suspicious tbh, but he is actively contributing and I want to pressure elsewhere before this EoD.

What else you got?

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Hey MR, try to explain this to me to make it not sound like OMGUS.

[juliets]

Ok this sounds more like the civ MPlus7 I remember.

[Tangrowth]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

This man is motherfucking town.

[Tangrowth]

ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

She walked it down with reasoning immediately. Did you miss that?

[Tangrowth]

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

I don't even agree with DDL telling someone how to play and I'm not sure that's what he was going for, but I think it's clear why someone could suspect you for making a series of two statements where the second leaves clear room for you to be wrong about the first.

[Tangrowth]

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[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?

Because it's true? Because I'm not worried about anyone looking at me in the first place?

Hot take: this interaction is between two scummates.

[Tangrowth]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine