Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That is, my list is entirely focused on D1 lynch as well, if that weren't clear. I'm certainly not saying to lock 112, Epi, you, etc. as town, because lol.

Yeh, my list is similar

Curious why mac is so high on yours, is it just because he’s Mac or...?

Essentially, and it sounds strange but I don't think scum Mac would just keep popping in here to openly sheep someone. It's a weak take, but I think if he rolled scum even with other obligations he would try to come up with his own reads more. Town Mac is more extreme, either full on or sheeping like here.

That's just my perception though.

I don’t know that I agree but I can accept you believe this

[Tangrowth]

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.

I'm not sure I understand still, so let me elaborate. The players in my POE are people I feel OK lynching. If I have someone at a null read, I'm essentially OK with them being in the POE, especially if I have town leans or reads for everyone else. I think the reasons I've placed everyone in the tiers that I have are substantiated somewhere in my ISO, but if you're ever confused about any of them, feel free to ask me.

Also, I'm voting LC to support Nanook, and LC is in my three-person lower POE. I do that all the time as town. If someone else wants support with a wagon, I see that person who wants my support as town, and I support pressure on that wagon, I will often add to that wagon.

Why is that scum agenda and not town agenda?

[Tangrowth]

That is, my list is entirely focused on D1 lynch as well, if that weren't clear. I'm certainly not saying to lock 112, Epi, you, etc. as town, because lol.

Yeh, my list is similar

Curious why mac is so high on yours, is it just because he’s Mac or...?

Essentially, and it sounds strange but I don't think scum Mac would just keep popping in here to openly sheep someone. It's a weak take, but I think if he rolled scum even with other obligations he would try to come up with his own reads more. Town Mac is more extreme, either full on or sheeping like here.

That's just my perception though.

I don’t know that I agree but I can accept you believe this

I understand. A read has to be made. It's very possible that I'm wrong. But that's what my gut says.

[Tangrowth]

Also why am I here, such an addict

[Tangrowth]

I'd like to know what Epi thinks more about players that are non-Sloonei.

[Tangrowth]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

[Tangrowth]

Can anyone who played that Corrupt? game with Wilgy speak to how he played there?

[Tangrowth]

I absolutely hate that 4-person wagon on Sloonei. It's static. It's not pushing the game forward in any way. If there's one reason to ever lynch Mac here, that'd be one. I understand Epi's vote being there, but I'd encourage those voters to at least more actively consider other options.

If Sloonei is scum and I'm actively now arguing to avoid his lynch d1, then lol, but if he is scum I'm confident we can catch him with strong town play.

[Tangrowth]

Please try to push the game forward more in my absence. I appreciate the efforts already expended by various players to do that.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can anyone who played that Corrupt? game with Wilgy speak to how he played there?

Sporadically and as needed

[Tangrowth]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.

I’ve also played games with him since, tbf

[juliets]

Just woke up, have read some of what was posted since I ducked out yesterday.

The culture on my homesite is to always lynch claimed 3Ps. Is it different here? I'd lynch Dys right now and it's not really close.

It's a mixed bag here. Remember Inception where Master Radish was a 3P? We left him alive the whole game. I can't remember right off the bat what his wincon was but I think he could win with either faction. I think in his case he proved his usefulness to the town by killing Eva and maybe thats why we left him pretty much alone. Then in GOC Tranq was 3P and I think he too could win with either faction, correct me if I'm wrong on these somebody. To your point though 112 both Radish in Inception and Tranq in GOC won with the mafia.

I'm not sure what to do about Dizzy. He has died in the last several games I've played with him or seen him in in the first two days, and has been town. My opinion of him is if he has the choice of playing to win with either faction he would choose town so I'm inclined to let him live today even though I was brought up in the "kill the 3P" school. If he lives and there are two town kills tonight though my vote would go to him tomorrow. I have to acknowledge though I may be letting my personal feelings about him dying so early all the time get in the way of my game thinking.

lots of linki I'll read after I post

[Tangrowth]

Oh, also Nanook, Mac got lynched Day 1 when he was IMO clear town in Banjo. He's obviously not clear town here, but I would feel like ass lynching him d1 again here. So *shrug*, that's another reason I'd put him in the let's give him another day category I suppose.

I thought he was clearly town that game too IIRC, doesn’t affect my desire to kill or not kill him here

You have a more logical mafia brain than I do then, and I commend you.

I’ve also played games with him since, tbf

Ah, yeah, that's the last game I've played with him and it'd be nice to actually play with him here.

I do hate his Sloonei vote though. [mention]MacDougall[/mention], do something about that please. Place it on a different person or wagon so we can get some dynamic progression before we shrug lynch Sloonei on Day 1. Anything for more information.

[Tangrowth]

Just woke up, have read some of what was posted since I ducked out yesterday.

The culture on my homesite is to always lynch claimed 3Ps. Is it different here? I'd lynch Dys right now and it's not really close.

It's a mixed bag here. Remember Inception where Master Radish was a 3P? We left him alive the whole game. I can't remember right off the bat what his wincon was but I think he could win with either faction. I think in his case he proved his usefulness to the town by killing Eva and maybe thats why we left him pretty much alone. Then in GOC Tranq was 3P and I think he too could win with either faction, correct me if I'm wrong on these somebody. To your point though 112 both Radish in Inception and Tranq in GOC won with the mafia.

I'm not sure what to do about Dizzy. He has died in the last several games I've played with him or seen him in in the first two days, and has been town. My opinion of him is if he has the choice of playing to win with either faction he would choose town so I'm inclined to let him live today even though I was brought up in the "kill the 3P" school. If he lives and there are two town kills tonight though my vote would go to him tomorrow. I have to acknowledge though I may be letting my personal feelings about him dying so early all the time get in the way of my game thinking.

lots of linki I'll read after I post

I signed back up for this game in part because of Dizzy, and it's clear that he feels like he's playing a different game than everyone else, so my personal emotions are more OK with killing him Day 1 then if we can't reach a good consensus elsewhere.

[112]

what's linki?

[Tangrowth]

Even for those players who do think they've caught scum Sloonei, who are his teammates then? There's more work to be done. A static gamestate actively hurts our faction.

[Tangrowth]

what's linki?

It's a relic of the Lostpedia mafia days, referring to "linkitis", which referred to a user named Link McCloud, who would constantly post something that was rendered irrelevant by posts made since he had last viewed the thread. So he became short for when someone posts something and then other posts are made in the interim that may or may not affect the post.

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Long Con[/mention], what are your updated reads? Wilgy as town, what else you got my friend?

[juliets]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And older people.

[Tangrowth]

Hey 112, even if you want to lynch Dizzy today, let's try to hash more of this out. If Dizzy was not a factor, who would be receiving your attention and why?

[Tangrowth]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And older people.

Wow, shots fired. Didn't know that you had that in you.

[Tangrowth]

Seriously now BBL

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Juliets can be sassy af sometimes tbh

[juliets]

Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con

MP, could you expand a little on why Soneji is in your upper POE and Long Con in your lower? The only difference I see is Long Con has been around more but not posted thoughts on people (actually he may have posted a thought about someone but not many).

[juliets]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

And older people.

Wow, shots fired. Didn't know that you had that in you.

lol, Jack and I have had some lively debates in the discord politics thread about the role of people older than 40 in America. Feel free to join the fun.

[112]

Hey 112, even if you want to lynch Dizzy today, let's try to hash more of this out. If Dizzy was not a factor, who would be receiving your attention and why?

Long Con and jack for underwhelming thread presence and some posts that have pinged me.

I'm also pretty ok with the Sloonei wagon, although the stasis of it is concerning as you mentioned.

[112]

I also haven't liked posts by Wilgy as stated, but he's made enough decent ones that I've jived with that I probably wouldn't lynch there today.

[juliets]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Actually yeah [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] curious why soneji is out of your red POE?

[juliets]

I'd also like to hear some more from [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]. I moved that slot back to null from town until I can get a good feel for him.

[112]

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

Has Soneji posted?

[Dyslexicon]

Just woke up, have read some of what was posted since I ducked out yesterday.

The culture on my homesite is to always lynch claimed 3Ps. Is it different here? I'd lynch Dys right now and it's not really close.

It seems you haven't really retained the information I've given about my role, despite your opinion on what to do.

[Dyslexicon]

I will be taken out of the game if I reach my wincon by the way. Don't know if I mentioned that.

[Dyslexicon]

The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.

Except I'm not literally dumb. I don't claim 3p if I'm some regular SK or whatever. This is way more complicated than that, and basically not mafia. Which is why I'm already pretty over it. I don't even understand my wincon myself, cause it's hella long and about locking specific people in their specific rooms and what not. Basically guesswork. Being locked in a room works as a protection from NKs. And town's wincon does not include eliminating me. I know this for sure. If I reach my wincon, I'll exit the game. I've claimed 3p every time I've been a not threat to town. I've lied about it once in a Game of Thrones game, where I was just a pure SK. This mod does not operate with pure SKs. Why do you think there's room numbers here? So that I can play room bingo. Yay.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s unlikely dizzy gets to LYLO one way or another yeah? So I don’t think it needs to be resolved today

[Funnygurl555]

im in too many twgs at once

im also safe mns gotten less scary

[Funnygurl555]

pg5: juliets and epignosis are town

[Dyslexicon]

It's a mixed bag here. Remember Inception where Master Radish was a 3P? We left him alive the whole game. I can't remember right off the bat what his wincon was but I think he could win with either faction. I think in his case he proved his usefulness to the town by killing Eva and maybe thats why we left him pretty much alone. Then in GOC Tranq was 3P and I think he too could win with either faction, correct me if I'm wrong on these somebody. To your point though 112 both Radish in Inception and Tranq in GOC won with the mafia.

I'm not sure what to do about Dizzy. He has died in the last several games I've played with him or seen him in in the first two days, and has been town. My opinion of him is if he has the choice of playing to win with either faction he would choose town so I'm inclined to let him live today even though I was brought up in the "kill the 3P" school. If he lives and there are two town kills tonight though my vote would go to him tomorrow. I have to acknowledge though I may be letting my personal feelings about him dying so early all the time get in the way of my game thinking.

lots of linki I'll read after I post

I'm all for trying to be useful for town, whatever that means to you. Just someone give me some instructions. I can try to match someone who is town read and prevent them from being NKed. This will also silence them for 24 hours though. Which I absolutely hate, cause I hate silencing roles.

And it's not even that I can win with either faction, as if I can choose. It's just that if I reach my wincon, I'm out of the game. So I basically have no stakes in the fight between town and mafia. So yeah, technically I do win with whatever other faction also win, but I just don't have anything to do with the town vs mafia deal. I mean, I'm biased towards town as a player. And mafia can't even kill me unless I vote to lynch them, so I can just not vote.

[Funnygurl555]

hi

Hey FG, is this our first game together other than that turbo? I think so.

I believe it's my first game with Scirrus as well... and I don't remember playing with nova much.

yep, what's up man! im a bowl of carrots

[Dyslexicon]

It’s unlikely dizzy gets to LYLO one way or another yeah? So I don’t think it needs to be resolved today

I'll be mafia's scape goat for D4 if I haven't reached my wincon yet. Someone will feel suddenly very passionate that somehow town has to try and use a lynch on me.

[Funnygurl555]

A civilian Sloonei would love "solid reads at this point." It gives him a chance to figure things out later.

Sloonei is not a civilian. Lynch him now.

Tell me a little bit about Sloonei

Does he have trouble keeping a town mindset as scum?

I agree that not wanting solid reads is not really a pro-town thing to say

But I feel like experienced scum would try to avoid saying things like that, because they would look bad. And he strikes me as an experienced player

I wouldn't say he does, maybe a bit. scum!Sloonei is a slightly hollow shell of town!Sloonei. I say if by a critical point in the game he is still alive and he hasn't Tonberry'd anyone (I'm describing it this way from now on, but basically he asks questions in a pester-y way especially when he gets answers he doesn't like, and then eventually STAB), then he's scum.

a good take

[Funnygurl555]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

LMFAO ok dyslexicons ok

[Funnygurl555]

Yeah. I think some people really enjoy 3p roles that have some sort of outside wincon that is more like a puzzle. But I'm unfortunately not one of them. It also doesn't suit my play style as surviving is obviously not my strength lol. That won't be a problem here though as it's literally impossible to kill me for the first 3 day/nights. WEEEEEEE ALL THE GIFS

ALL THE GIFS LOL

[Funnygurl555]

scirrus seems alright but im wary of giving em a town read

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s unlikely dizzy gets to LYLO one way or another yeah? So I don’t think it needs to be resolved today

I'll be mafia's scape goat for D4 if I haven't reached my wincon yet. Someone will feel suddenly very passionate that somehow town has to try and use a lynch on me.

I’m more inclined to shunt responsibility for 3p to the mafia and blame them if a sole winning 3p wins tbh

[Funnygurl555]

Let’s say it’s nine cause ten is fucking ridiculous tbh

Currently I have Jules/nova/112/Epi/sloonei/scirrus on my no kill list, so that’s 7/9 including myself.

Who wants to stand up and be townread?

can you order these. I assume some of these you feel more solid about than others?

and your reasoning for each pls

who not in that town POE do you feel the worst about?

I don’t have an order for them and I’m not planning on having one...you’re welcome to ask for each one but I’m not gonna do a whole big reads list where I wrote a paragraph or two for each one though.

Idk yet, tbh I don’t really care right now? I’ll figure it out closer to EOD, for now my goal is just to find as many people I don’t want to kill D1 as I can and I’ll worry about sorting the rest later.

i think this is a townie perspective idk but that no kill list is a big list and I could never use that strategy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Town core and POE is the way to play!

[Funnygurl555]

Just woke up, have read some of what was posted since I ducked out yesterday.

The culture on my homesite is to always lynch claimed 3Ps. Is it different here? I'd lynch Dys right now and it's not really close.

imo scum would want 3ps gone even more than town rn, esp since dys has 3 vests