Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[Tangrowth]

I can't ISO anyone right now, Mac, sorry. I'm failing at multitasking as it is. I'm just trying to stick around a bit longer to respond to you all and start things. I'm trying to broaden the lines of discussion.

My next priority when I'm not multitasking hard is to ISO TSP, juliets/sprityo, Wilgy, and Scirrus at a minimum. I'd like to peek at 112 too and see if I'm just being overly tinfoily or something.

Why did you change your mind on TSP? Actually you don't have to answer if you don't want I'll ISO him later anyway.

At first glance of his ISO I thought that it was thin but when I read the posts it all just seems on point. Thin but relevant observations. Also tunneling juliets on day 1 isn't something I tend to see Mafia do much.

That's fair, thanks.

[Tangrowth]

TSP does have a bit of the TWTBAW (too wolfy to be a wolf) thing going on too.

[Tangrowth]

Unless the title of the thread is wrong, then my apologies, but I thought I said that when I was town

This why subbing back into a game is such a weird thing

Damn, you were both good and bad in that game, I saw the bad one and didn't notice the good one. Damn subbing.

Mac, Show me the evidence if you think that's true, I just spent a while looking for it and that's the only one I found.

Yeah, sorry to wreck all your research, I guess I appreciate the effort expended in it though lol.

[Tangrowth]

BBL

[MacDougall]

I'm gonna angleshoot again and say Wilgy would have posted post day 1 if he was Mafia.

[Long Con]

Unless the title of the thread is wrong, then my apologies, but I thought I said that when I was town

This why subbing back into a game is such a weird thing

Damn, you were both good and bad in that game, I saw the bad one and didn't notice the good one. Damn subbing.

Mac, Show me the evidence if you think that's true, I just spent a while looking for it and that's the only one I found.

Yeah, sorry to wreck all your research, I guess I appreciate the effort expended in it though lol.

Nothing is wrecked, bro. I was doing it with the idea in mind that it would be evidence in your favour, and it turns out it is.

[Long Con]

Let's refrain from angleshooting.

I think Wilgy is town.

[112]

I'm going to be reading up in about an hour and a half after I have supper. I've had a bad day--Daniel Powter is singing about it--and I'm a bit bogged down by some work I've been doing.

I have noticed the votes on me and to respond to [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] about the Scirrus read: I don't remember when I made my core post, but I ISOd Scirrus a bit in the interim and found them towny. Lots to say, thoughts don't seem fabricated, thought I'd bump them up. Don't know what else to say on that and it makes me feel like MP is really digging when he brings it up.

[DrWilgy]

Not in the right headspace to catch up and play right now. Will try to be back tomorrow.

Kill me if you want but kill sloonei and mp after.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Would you be still voting me if I were on the poll?

No, but I guess this is a moot question by this point.

Why? If I were, would your team kill me?

[Epignosis]

Ok, things are still fluid. MP vote anyone? [VOTE: MP] aubergine

seriously what are you even doing my man, how the fuck could I post all this shit as wolf?

Don't you do this every game?

Do what? How could I force this exact tone and content?

Are you saying you are incapable of this? I can post threads and threads of counterexamples.

And I don't give a shit how much a person posts. You doing get points for it. I'm not JJJ or Sloonei.

Then why did you read me as town in Banjo exactly?

How the hell should I know? That was many beers ago.

[Epignosis]

That really sucked, I'm sorry I wasn't less distracted to try to prevent the tie result, and I didn't know that was going to happen until others pointed it out.

With that said, I realize I got a bit OMGUSy and heated myself. I'm sorry Wilgy because I was probably tunneling you and I just wanted to save Sloonei. Fwiw I still don't know what planet LC is playing this game on, lol, and I do not at all mean that in a bad way, but I'm sorry if I frustrated you. I was going to respond to your post about the Wilgy thing, but if you go back and read around those posts I quoted, I was the first one to talk about him, so I don't understand your interpretation at all?

I'll need some time away anyway to do other things, but it'll allow for digging upon my return. See you all whenever.

In what universe do you apologize to someone you didn't successfully lynch? Is Wilgy bad or not?

And why are you trying to save Sloonei Day 1 when Sloonei was here in MP's shit:

MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
Scirrus

Town lean -- [would prefer not to lynch]
juliets
Nanook

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Dyslexicon
Long Con
MacDougall
nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Funnygurl
Jack
Sloonei
Soneji

Stop quoting shit out of context. I had MULTIPLE reads lists and shifted Sloonei rather quickly after that to "let's give X another day here" and spoke ad nauseam about it.

Seems to me you're trying to take my stuff to fit your own narrative.

Maybe you'd better move me somewhere else on your little rainbow then.

[Epignosis]

How could any reasonable person suspect me in this game right now is something, I swear people think my wolf game is x100 better than it actually is on this site

You helped make shit tie Day 1. We will start there.

This is painfully reductive.

I was multitasking during actual EoD, dealing with my students, so no, I was not able to prevent a tie -- but I was never going to move my vote to Sloonei unless it prevented a no lynch.

Assigning blame for that is totally unnecessary and unproductive regardless.

All reduction is, sadly.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Would you be still voting me if I were on the poll?

No, but I guess this is a moot question by this point.

Why? If I were, would your team kill me?

Maybe. We'll see when the Day is done!

[Long Con]

Not much time left before I get locked away. I don't think MP is bad any more. I'll go with the 112 vote. The thunderdome post was opportunistic and not town-minded, and she tried to lockwolf one of two of my townreads. [VOTE: 112[/112]] aubergine

[Long Con]

aw tags lol

[112]

There was just an argument in the household and my Dad drove off somewhere without telling anyone where he was going. I'm not sure how active I'll be tonight- can either go the way of me wanting a distraction and posting a bunch or pretend cuddling the former partner I miss all night.

[112]

Not much time left before I get locked away. I don't think MP is bad any more. I'll go with the 112 vote. The thunderdome post was opportunistic and not town-minded, and she tried to lockwolf one of two of my townreads. [VOTE: 112[/112]] aubergine

[VOTE:

boo] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Unless the title of the thread is wrong, then my apologies, but I thought I said that when I was town

This why subbing back into a game is such a weird thing

Damn, you were both good and bad in that game, I saw the bad one and didn't notice the good one. Damn subbing.

Mac, Show me the evidence if you think that's true, I just spent a while looking for it and that's the only one I found.

I haven't looked, but evil MP posted a ton in WWE mafia. I remember that shit.

[112]

I know I'm Darth Real-Life Excuses but wouldn't lie about this here, fwiw.

Anyway pops came back.

In my defense, I have nothing to back this up with. But more generally than there being some sort of Defense of Socrates I'm suppose to give, I am sensing a stark and notable libel of my name in these last few pages and would like to threaten legal reprimand.

[112]

I don't understand why MP thinks my reads would have stayed static across more than one day of gameplay. That's not something I really know how to dispute other than to say that as the game develops a player usually adjusts their reads.

Does he not think Scirrus is townish?

[Epignosis]

I know I'm Darth Real-Life Excuses but wouldn't lie about this here, fwiw.

Anyway pops came back.

In my defense, I have nothing to back this up with. But more generally than there being some sort of Defense of Socrates I'm suppose to give, I am sensing a stark and notable libel of my name in these last few pages and would like to threaten legal reprimand.

I am sorry you had that kind of experience.

[112]

Not much time left before I get locked away. I don't think MP is bad any more. I'll go with the 112 vote. The thunderdome post was opportunistic and not town-minded, and she tried to lockwolf one of two of my townreads. [VOTE: 112[/112]] aubergine

[VOTE:

I thought I had wolf-leans, not lockwolves.] aubergine

[112]

I know I'm Darth Real-Life Excuses but wouldn't lie about this here, fwiw.

Anyway pops came back.

In my defense, I have nothing to back this up with. But more generally than there being some sort of Defense of Socrates I'm suppose to give, I am sensing a stark and notable libel of my name in these last few pages and would like to threaten legal reprimand.

I am sorry you had that kind of experience.

Thanks Epi. I'm good.

[Epignosis]

There are a whole raft of new people coming into town, and I need to show them that I am the man with the big stick.

To that end, no more fucking around.

No more ties. I will lynch anyone who makes a tie from here on out. I don't care whom you are saving.

[Epignosis]

I know I'm Darth Real-Life Excuses but wouldn't lie about this here, fwiw.

Anyway pops came back.

In my defense, I have nothing to back this up with. But more generally than there being some sort of Defense of Socrates I'm suppose to give, I am sensing a stark and notable libel of my name in these last few pages and would like to threaten legal reprimand.

I am sorry you had that kind of experience.

Thanks Epi. I'm good.

I know we don't know each other well, but I'm in Discord if you ever need a friend.

[Epignosis]

TonyStarkPrime is not my idea of a civilian.

Jack is a stupid lynch and people are just voting for Sloonei cause he said something about “having no hard reads” like half a dozen posts in and everyone went rah

This is TSP's second post (two minutes after his first one). It calls Jack a stupid lynch. Jack dies that same Night phase.

I mean I'll vote for LC if nothing spicy is gonna happen

It just feels like it was LC the last 6 times or whatever

I swear between Speed and LC they've both rolled scum in the last three months then I have in a lifetime and this probably is true

I'm sure TSP doesn't buy into the gambler's fallacy, so surely he's taking the piss here.

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

Expecting other people to do your due diligence for you is shit. Have I fooled you Tony? Please tell me.

[Epignosis]

I'll give FunnyGirl one more Day before I consider her for a lynch. Thin bit of grace. After that...snip. I need to see more.

[TonyStarkPrime]

TonyStarkPrime is not my idea of a civilian.

Jack is a stupid lynch and people are just voting for Sloonei cause he said something about “having no hard reads” like half a dozen posts in and everyone went rah

This is TSP's second post (two minutes after his first one). It calls Jack a stupid lynch. Jack dies that same Night phase.

I mean I'll vote for LC if nothing spicy is gonna happen

It just feels like it was LC the last 6 times or whatever

I swear between Speed and LC they've both rolled scum in the last three months then I have in a lifetime and this probably is true

I'm sure TSP doesn't buy into the gambler's fallacy, so surely he's taking the piss here.

I have gotten the impression that Epi is super town. Have I been fooled? Please tell me.

linki
juliets
not town

Expecting other people to do your due diligence for you is shit. Have I fooled you Tony? Please tell me.

I’m not really anyone’s perfect idea of a civilian right now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have almost 300 posts halfway-ish through Day 2. If that doesn't also suggest I'm town, then *shrug*.

I'm reasonably sure he was still town at this point tho

[Epignosis]

Oh for anyone new to me (that's probably most of you) feel free to ask me whatever you want!
I've played on and off on another site (PersonalityCafe) for about a year and a half, 20 or so games. I know Dizzy but that's about it.

What is your general approach to the game? What will you be looking for on Day 1 and later on?

Nothing real specific. I rely pretty heavily on meta reading on my other site lol, but that won't work here.

Prolly just gonna prod around where I think something should be prodded at.

I think the ideal way of approaching the game is building a town core of people you can trust and solving scum through POE

My approach to later days isn't much different except obviously you have flips and interactions you can work with

Terrific. Let's see what happens.

A civilian Sloonei would love "solid reads at this point." It gives him a chance to figure things out later.

Sloonei is not a civilian. Lynch him now.

Tell me a little bit about Sloonei

Does he have trouble keeping a town mindset as scum?

I agree that not wanting solid reads is not really a pro-town thing to say

But I feel like experienced scum would try to avoid saying things like that, because they would look bad. And he strikes me as an experienced player

I would love to know why Sloonei struck you as an experienced player. You noted earlier that you only knew Dyslexicon.

So here are some thoughts n stuff!


epignosis - pushed me and asked for my read on sloonei which I like. Seems very "lets get to the point" which i tend to associate with towniness. Gives out reads early and seems to have done the most to advance the gamestate, which i also associate with town

nova - i liked that he gave reads at the beginning, i think there was something else i liked but i don't remember atm lol

sloonei - null. want to hear what more people say about him. i don't really like that he asks a lot of questions but hasn't given much in the way of reads

juliets - seems pretty agreeable, i have a slight scum vibe, but that just be becuase i don't know her playstyle. a couple things like her assuming ppl should think she has scum reads, announcing she would ask the mod about the mechanics, etc found odd. but i can't decide if they're scummy or just player quirk things

everyone else - idk. post more. make yoselfs known k thx

I have a problem with this.

You've already asked me about Sloonei and I've already answered. Then you don't express an opinion one way or another and claim you want to hear what more people have to say about him.

That's trash.

If you're a civilian, you get out there as engage Sloonei yourself. You don't need to rely on the opinions of others. You are waiting for permission to vote for Sloonei. You are not trying to figure out if Sloonei is on your side by talking to him.

it's late so I will take my leave but will post some things

not lynching myself, 112, nanook, epi, juliets, MPlus, probably nova?

would rather not lynch the ppl who posted like 2 things cuz wouldnt tell us much but ya they should post, think that was Soneji & Funnygurl?

Long Con in particular was kinda odd, he asked me a question about "Fair Enough" out of everything in the thread which i found weird, and then a few posts that seemed off topic. Curious about what about that question specifically piqued his interest

Fine with my vote on Sloonei for now, want some pressure to be there

Dizzy idk probably not today I guess tho his claim is pretty meh

Although considering how few wagons/votes there are on people I doubt anyone is feeling much pressure right now

Heh heh, ho boy, right guys?

Anything anyone want we to specifically look at? I'm running on little sleep and a lotta caffeine so my reading comprehension is not the best rn

Can you talk about your vote for LC? Just a simple answer to "why" will be sufficient.

Yes, I voted to make it a tie between Sloonei and LC to make things more...interesting I guess. So then we could see who would then break the tie from one way to the other for whatever reason

I actually have no read on LC other than the slight suspicion I had on him yesterday. GTH I would rather lynch Sloonei though, if i'm being honest

You are mafia and I'm sorry I thought otherwise Day 1.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@TonyStarkPrime @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I see that you have issues with the juliets/sprityo slot. I also have issue. Can you extrapolate on why you have issue?

viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1892&p=612718#p612718

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ve answered Mac’s question but largely what Nanook said and the other angle doesn’t help much.

Please ask me slightly game related questions everyone. Only slightly related.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm gonna angleshoot again and say Wilgy would have posted post day 1 if he was Mafia.

Uh

Pretty sure he did

[Epignosis]

Scirrus ended up sighing and voting for Wilgy. Why? No explanation whatsoever.

[Epignosis]

I'm here and nobody wants to talk.

Okay.

[Funnygurl555]

I'll give FunnyGirl one more Day before I consider her for a lynch. Thin bit of grace. After that...snip. I need to see more.

hello i am here it is time to twg

[Funnygurl555]

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

Talk some more about that last second vote switch.

#TWGCHAOS

[Epignosis]

I'll give FunnyGirl one more Day before I consider her for a lynch. Thin bit of grace. After that...snip. I need to see more.

hello i am here it is time to twg

I do not understand "twg"

The Walking Goofs?

[Funnygurl555]

@Funnygurl555, I am super interested in interacting with you specifically at some point too, let's try to plan that.

hey hey hey how it be

[Funnygurl555]

I'll give FunnyGirl one more Day before I consider her for a lynch. Thin bit of grace. After that...snip. I need to see more.

hello i am here it is time to twg

I do not understand "twg"

The Walking Goofs?

the werewolf game :O

:O

[Epignosis]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

[Funnygurl555]

Funnygurl’s vote is still a thing that needs to be addressed (mostly by funnygurl herself), but I hesitate to call it a bad look. I don’t think she intended for there to be a tie, as her embarrassed reaction suggests. I also think that sort of loose vote handling late in the day is more typical of a civilian player in general; mafia members are more stiff about where they place their votes and aren’t as likely to just fling them around like that.

And if she’s bad, the only way for her vote change to make sense (from wilgy to me), other than a straight WIFOM argument, is if wilgy is her partner. But pre-flip associative reads are a cardinal sin.

Having said all of that, I have no clear idea why she abruptly decided I deserved to be lynched.

it wasn't that i thought you should die, really. part of it was to watch eod be more wild 'cause that'd draw out more info for me. part of it was also that wilgy posted his legacy reads at a time where we all thought he was gonna die, and that was pro-town. so rn, i don't really wanna go for him

the most likely scenario at eod was we had t/t wagons, but if it's t/w you'd have to be the wolf there man

[Funnygurl555]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

they make like decent posts and then they post wifom stuff like asking why someone was nk'd so eh

but they seem to be doing everything a town should do-- they're active in the thread, asking people questions, making reads-- but scirrus could be faking that as a wolf. they're null for me. rn i wouldn't lynch

[Epignosis]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

they make like decent posts and then they post wifom stuff like asking why someone was nk'd so eh

but they seem to be doing everything a town should do-- they're active in the thread, asking people questions, making reads-- but scirrus could be faking that as a wolf. they're null for me. rn i wouldn't lynch

Very well. Who isn't "null" and why?

[Funnygurl555]

This game will be the best game in the history of mafia. People keep saying to me, "Escape From Trump Tower" is the best game.

I am not reading Sloonei's ISO and locking him town off this.

Wilgy is mafia btw.

wait why is he maf :O

[Funnygurl555]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

they make like decent posts and then they post wifom stuff like asking why someone was nk'd so eh

but they seem to be doing everything a town should do-- they're active in the thread, asking people questions, making reads-- but scirrus could be faking that as a wolf. they're null for me. rn i wouldn't lynch

Very well. Who isn't "null" and why?

well you're town idk so was juliets but she's gone now, and nanook seems cool

i wasn't a fan of 112 last phase and her post about sloonei and wilgy thunderdoming pinged me but her wagon's in the lead so eh

i think wilgy's townie

[Epignosis]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

they make like decent posts and then they post wifom stuff like asking why someone was nk'd so eh

but they seem to be doing everything a town should do-- they're active in the thread, asking people questions, making reads-- but scirrus could be faking that as a wolf. they're null for me. rn i wouldn't lynch

Very well. Who isn't "null" and why?

well you're town idk so was juliets but she's gone now, and nanook seems cool

i wasn't a fan of 112 last phase and her post about sloonei and wilgy thunderdoming pinged me but her wagon's in the lead so eh

i think wilgy's townie

I tend to agree with you.

Carry on.

[Funnygurl555]

I think we are looking at the mafia version of M Plus 7 here personally. I can sense the mania of mafia MP in his play.

Sloonei you are voting with TSP. Last time I checked you were voting ON TSP. Do you care about that at all?

Elaborate on that please.

The thing about sensing things in people is that you can't elaborate on them. I can put it into other words for you though.

I have come to consider voluminous content as a hallmark of MP's play regardless of alignment. The differentiator to me isn't the volume it's whether MP has moments of mania, or perhaps a better word would be stressposting. I feel like you stresspost less when you are town. I feel like when you are town you are much more stoic. I have seen you stressposting in this game more than I can consider justifiable.

Mac I’m stress posting because I have no information in this game so I genuinely don’t know what the fuck is going on. I’m also multi gaming and teaching multiple 5 week summer courses over the internet. I would rather not discuss out of game reasons but those are certainly influencing me here so I felt compelled to say them.

this was a scummy reply. you're admitting that you're playing to your wolf meta here

[Funnygurl555]

I'm playing "Mafia."

Talk to me about Scirrus.

they make like decent posts and then they post wifom stuff like asking why someone was nk'd so eh

but they seem to be doing everything a town should do-- they're active in the thread, asking people questions, making reads-- but scirrus could be faking that as a wolf. they're null for me. rn i wouldn't lynch

Very well. Who isn't "null" and why?

well you're town idk so was juliets but she's gone now, and nanook seems cool

i wasn't a fan of 112 last phase and her post about sloonei and wilgy thunderdoming pinged me but her wagon's in the lead so eh

i think wilgy's townie

I tend to agree with you.

Carry on.

lc put in wayyy too much effort with that m plus 7 case which went nowhere. at least judging from his wolf game in assassins creed he seemed laid back and was pressured for more content. it's different but idk if it means he's townie