Ziggy Stardust Mafia

#601

Yes, I die if mac dies but not vice versa
I suspected mac because he was more active in last game and in lover chat than the game, but I realized he was 3rd party in that game not a long time ago. He said DKDK me it would be funny and I agreed but i don't wanna play high stakes and DKDK mac atm, I think he was just busy yesterday with other games
I think his reads today are a bit spicy which is unscummy? However Idt i can get behind tsp because i think i had a reason in my post to townread them, Also nutella is scummy idk why shes in macs town core

Vote: nutella
Aubergine

#602

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] has been modkilled for quoting GM communication. He flips as:

It Ain’t Easy

You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. In fact, it’s so not easy that you don’t have any powers and have to do things the hard way. Vanilla!

He retains his wincon.

In addition, a grief stricken [mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] dies, and flips as:

Soul Love

You are a SPIDER FROM MARS. You win when all the APOCALYPSE NAYSAYERS are dead. On N0, pick a person to be lovers and neighbors with. If that person dies in any manner, you will also perish out of grief. You will get 24/7 chat with your lover, starting on D1.

The deadline for today remains the same, and the poll has been reset to remove Mac and Jiwon from it. With 6 now alive, it will require 4 to hammer.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #603

Fucking hell

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #604

Goddamn that makes it mylo this is really unfortunate.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #605

Assuming 8v3 that is. Idk maybe there is a 3p or something weirder going on.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #606

I think maybe the move here is no elim and wait til we can vote jay

[VOTE: no elim] aubergine

#607

Wait for dusk fall to say if it's Milo

#608

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:13 am Goddamn that makes it mylo this is really unfortunate.

wait slip?

#609

Hi we are in Mylo

#610

I'll have to read back but currently epi is never lynch for me and Nutella is possibly lynch but I'll get back to that tomorrow no lynch today

#611

Okay then

F o l l o w
T h e
R u l e s
G a n g

#612

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:03 am So look at this from my perspective. I’m clearing dusk for getting a bad role, which was NAI exactly until DS flipped vanilla. We’re at like 4 civ power roles? 5? Actually could be 8 Civ w/ power against 3 vanilla. I take back this argument, but I also recall Duskfall being pretty heavily involved in setup balance debates in favor of 8-3. This would seem like an unnecessary risk to scum in that 3, they’d feel like they’d risk giving something away. I’m on my phone now and there’s a post limit and I can’t check all of these interactions, but I have a generally good feel about Dusk. I know it’s not me. So I’m not really a fan of your POE, Mac. (Don’t bother replying to this if you’re low on post, you can fit something in later)

Tony I have read this multiple times and still cannot figure out what you’re talking about

#613

Whatever [VOTE: No kill] aubergine

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] that should be hammer

#614

Tbh I'm considering Nutella + jjj rn as a team, not confident but it's a possibility in case I die in the night, should be considered despite pushing each other earlier. I think there's probably at least 1 scum in them??

#615

No kill has been hammered!

No Kill (4): Jay, dusk, nutella, Tony

Get me night actions by June 15, 10am EDT, if I have everything sooner I’ll start day sooner.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

#616

The posting cap for N2 is 23.

Duskfall may reach 83 tonight
Epi may reach 85
Jay may reach 52
LC may reach 69 (nice)
Nutella may reach 96
Tony may reach 70

#617

Nice.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #618

The mafia are Jay and LC.

#619

Actually, I guess you haven't heard, but they're calling sixty-nines 'ninety-sixes' now. You know, 'cause the cost of eating out has gone up.

#620

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:44 am The mafia are Jay and LC.

I am not mafia.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #621

Still possible it's Tony. It's definitely two out of those three. I have reason to think LC though.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #622

Look at how Jay and LC pushed for Mac. First they pushed hard for me while I was a viable miselim. Then once I claimed they both went straight for Mac despite my arguments in his favor, without any of the hesitance I had about him despite the case on him being pretty weak, and completely ignoring Jiwon as an option while I felt she was clearly looking worse. Why? Because they knew Mac would take Jiwon down with him. They could not afford to pass up the opportunity to eliminate two townies in one day and go straight into lylo (which it would have if not for the modkill). Voting for Mac was their path to victory and they didn't put in any more effort than necessary to make it look like a well thought through elimination.

I'll have to look back into Tony and how he dealt with Mac etc but I am quite confident that Jay and LC are guilty here.

#623

I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #624

Lmao yeah. Page 12 is just full of both of them completely shutting down any arguments both Tony and I came up with for Mac being town, which like were actually good points that they shoved away, and then going "But the DS interactions!"

It's really quite transparent now.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #625

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:06 am I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.

Nah. Tony was reasonable in his hesitance on Mac (I don't remember if his vote ended up there, but it's whatever, and I don't care to reassess Epi and Dusk at this time). You were not. You and Jay pushed back to make Mac being bad the dominant narrative over some very valid counterarguments from both Tony and me.

#626

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:06 am I voted for Mac because I thought he was bad. I think there were four votes on Mac, why not pick someone else as "the baddie who was pushing Mac", because it's definitely not me.
Nah. Tony was reasonable in his hesitance on Mac (I don't remember if his vote ended up there, but it's whatever, and I don't care to reassess Epi and Dusk at this time). You were not. You and Jay pushed back to make Mac being bad the dominant narrative over some very valid counterarguments from both Tony and me.

I thought my arguments were also very reasonable, but

. Hindsight is 20/20, I understand why you'd jump to this conclusion, but it's wrong. I am town.

#627

No.

I’ll say more when I get home.

Attend my concert!

#628

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #629

Epi you haven't done squat since D1. I don't think you're a DS teammate, but you're gonna have to participate at some point or I'll have to reconsider.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #630

Ugh what if he is though.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #631

Yeah, I just looked through Epi's iso and I've been giving him credit over a whole load of nothing. He's been skating by for no reason. Absolutely nothing in there is deserving of a spot out of the POE.

#632

Nevermind my concert, I forgot half of my role. Had at least half of you attended it would have automatically redirected the night kill to me, which would have been wonderful. But it doesn't work entering a Mimlo/Limlo so meh

#633

I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #634

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

Yeah, I saw some of that conversation (and the events that sparked it ofc). Avoiding influencing the kill for whatever reasons, wifom or not, does make sense, with the one obvious drawback that whoever ends up killed won't get to participate in the discussion afterward. Idk I guess that's part of the point, shutting down a particular voice over others has implications and by discussing now we're creating those implications... ugh. Maybe I should in fact just shut up.

#635

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.

If you don't come out big tomorrow you're probably getting lynched

#636

Final day isn't the time to be trying new meta

#637

Btw can someone tell me nutellas role please

#638

If I am alive, I will stop at nothing. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.

#639

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:39 pm Btw can someone tell me nutellas role please

I'd prefer not re-post material that caused a modkill. Summary: Mac said the role can start a neighborhood with someone after it is eliminated. nutella affirmed it as her role.

#640

If any town has a rolecop sending role claim and clear Nutell immediately tomorrow, if not Nutella is near lock scum I think? The rolecop sender is either nutellas scum partner or town

#641

In a world where role cop sending role can send a role pm to a player, though I am assuming it's targeted I guess, they always send to a partner unless they are attempting to fake clear their partner who has a townie role

So yeah if a role cop sender claims town then they are cleared unless Nutella is mafia imo

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #642

I don't follow. All I can say is I'm town.

#643

[mention]nutella[/mention] do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?

#644

I think this should probably be more clear after the night is over.

#645

When's night deadline

#646

Nvm found it not for ages

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #647

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:04 pm @nutella do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?

Not totally sure, but probably? Idk why a mafia would send a townie another townie to remove from the poe

#648

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:34 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:04 pm @nutella do you agree the role cop sender has to be town if you are town?
Not totally sure, but probably? Idk why a mafia would send a townie another townie to remove from the poe

Exactly so he's just town from your perspective and you should never ever lynch?

#649

[mention]nutella[/mention] what's your read on Tony and long con again?

#650

Same to [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] and [mention]Epignosis[/mention] for above actually

Who was the MVP?