Ziggy Stardust Mafia

[Epignosis]

Okay, I'm here. I sent Dusk a random role last night. I think that this counterclaims someone else, but it's confirmable by my interactions with Mac yesterday where I breadcrumbed this heavily. Catching up now.

This is the worst hail Mary I have ever seen.

[Long Con]

Let's see dem breadcrumbs, Tony Montana.

[Duskfall]

Cool epi is hardcleared

[TonyStarkPrime]

Let's see dem breadcrumbs, Tony Montana.

I mean just go read the thread I practically told Mac that I sent him that role

[Long Con]

Let's see dem breadcrumbs, Tony Montana.

I mean just go read the thread I practically told Mac that I sent him that role

Weird that you didn't get killed for it then, hmm? I would think the mafia would want that role gone ASAP. Which is why I played dumb about how it worked, to throw you off the trail.

[Epignosis]

The last time I caught you, it was because you treated your GOC partner Sloonei like a fucking mime. You didn't distance shit.

I don't play to avoid getting caught.

I play to win.

I did what was necessary.

Spoiler: show

On the basis of those interactions, I'd split it this way:

dunya
Duskfall
Epignosis
Long Con

JiwonMeganPark
MacDougall
nutella
TonyStarkPrime

Mac is my top suspect. His being crammed into DS's POE is probably my least favorite thing among all those reviews.

It looks to me like JJJ has run out of "suspects" and has now resorted to the tenuous exercise of analyzing the interactions of people who are still breathing. The essential question has not changed even if you accept there are two remaining mafia members (which I don't). The essential question is never "Which two living people are bad together?" because you can only lynch one of them at a time anyway. The essential question is still Who is DS.'s teammate(s)?

The "essential question" is "how do we win the Mafia game?". You're playing dumb here. There's a reason I take this approach to solving so often -- it is effective. This isn't some novel shit. You know this.

Relationships with DS are important and should be considered. When the game state clearly demands reassessment however, as you illustrate this one does with your strikethroughs, then this split no longer holds water. There must be something wrong in that green pile. That's why I have to charge myself with the task of figuring it out by way of interactions beyond just DS. Because it was DS that led me to that split in the first place. Which is why this is trash:

No, the essential question is not "How do we win the Mafia game?"

The answer to that is "Lynch the mafia members." Duh.

Your latter paragraph is fine until I remember you are DS.'s teammate and I'm not.

You know better than this. You behave as if I am meant to plop my ass on the reads I made four days ago and hope for the best. Civilians don't win that way.

You don't have any "reads." I think you weren't prepared for the excess deaths and miscalculated how things would play out, so you "POE" was fucked.

I don't care what you think of this approach. You are the world's least graceful receptor of change or new ideas. Whatever your alignment you're going to gripe with this because it's not what you know. That's what you do. I want to improve my play, and sometimes that means trying approaches that I wouldn't have otherwise considered. This is not the last time I will try this one.

I'm autistic?

And one more thing: When was the last time a civilian JaggedJimmyJay had just 39 posts total at the commencement of Day 3?

1. I wonder why.
2. You don't give a shit how many posts I make. You know I can make 500 if I want to make 500.

The non-quoted shit in the spoilers is Epignosis, not me. It's a pain in the ass to fix.

1.
2. Not in this game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay I just read a lot of confusing stuff but this is really simple. It's just JJJ/LC, Nutella was right all along. uhh, I have a post to quote but I don't think I'm going to come close to post count so give me a second to go find it.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Can we hammer this SOB?

[Epignosis]

Okay I just read a lot of confusing stuff but this is really simple. It's just JJJ/LC, Nutella was right all along. uhh, I have a post to quote but I don't think I'm going to come close to post count so give me a second to go find it.

Come on Tony, let's go. Get JJJ dead.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Can we hammer this SOB?

Yes, we can. [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am rather confused by something.

I've received a message that seems to be a role that's a rolecop that doesn't get their own info but has to send it to other people.

The role that I received was definitely not the person who sent it. The role I received seems very likely to be a town role. The mafia sending a town, another town's role seems weird. It wasn't sent by Dunya either.

The thing that confuses me the most is that everyone who it could be has suggested I am in the POE/suspect. So someone has sent it to me regardless of me being a suspect to them, or it was actually sent by mafia?

I am not involved in that strange situation. You got a role, right... not a player? As in, you can't clear anyone off this, but merely have the knowledge that there is a rolecop?

Not revealing till role cop claims, this is also my last post until rolecop claims. In the event anyone posts after this without claiming rolecop I'll assume you are not, so town rolecop if you withold your claim the odds are I will end up voting you today and we will lose. There's no reason to withhold here

I sent you JJJ's role last night.

yeet all liars?

okay so you were "playing dumb" about it and you wonder why I didn't get killed. That's totally believable. Well one, Nutella was pretty much confirmed town and had to be killed. They didn't have the option to pick

But this can be mechanically solved, I think. I haven't quite figured out how yet.

link: Apparently LC just hammered jay.?

[TonyStarkPrime]

it's not lc/epi cause that slow play was completely unnecessary

[Duskfall]

Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Who should be ejected into the depths of space?

Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

Duskfall
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
3
38%


Voters: Long Con, Epignosis, Duskfall

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes


Voters: None

No kill (hammerable)
0
No votes


Voters: None

No vote (not hammerable)
0
No votes


Voters: None

Host/dead/spec
5
63%


Voters: MacDougall, leetic, dunya, nutella, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME


Total votes: 8

Hammer is three.

[Epignosis]

Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi

Why wouldn't I be alive?

[Epignosis]

Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi

By the way, if you're a civilian (and I believe you are), I admired your play here. Well done.

If you're mafia, well, bravo even more.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi

By the way, if you're a civilian (and I believe you are), I admired your play here. Well done.

If you're mafia, well, bravo even more.

If it's like duskfall/LC and they just made everything up today that would be amazing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would lynch DFaraday, Sorsha, or mayyyyybe... Dragomir.

[TonyStarkPrime]

But I think duskfall/LC would be throwing a victory celebration already and might've been around for a quick hammer earlier

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thread is locked stop posting

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Votecount:

Jay (3): LC, Epi, Dusk
Not voting (2): Jay, TSP

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] has died and flips as:

Star

You are an APOCALYPTIC NAYSAYER, you win when you have reached parity with SPIDERS FROM MARS or nothing can stop you doing so. If at least [X-1 living players where X is half of living players (i.e., 5 players if 11 are alive, 4 if ten are alive, etc.)] attend your concert at night, your ensuing popularity will ensure that you cannot be killed via vote the following day. Note that this will only work once, and will not take effect at KYLO/MYLO

N3 will end by June 16, 12pm EDT, or whenever I have everyone's actions.

The N3 cap for posts is 23.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention] (105)
[mention]Epignosis[/mention] (104)
[mention]Long Con[/mention] (85)
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] (82)

[Duskfall]

Ok so obviously me/epi are confirmed town and there is now wifom to send the other persons role pm to whoever lives and get town auto, good luck role cop sender please carry us to victory

[Long Con]

No prob, this one's in the bag.

[Duskfall]

Actually this game is auto already, since Tony claimed his role works by going to a random living player, it has to go to whoever out of me/epi lives, so if me or epi don't get a role pm Tony is always the lynch since his roleclaim is false

[Epignosis]

Ok so obviously me/epi are confirmed town and there is now wifom to send the other persons role pm to whoever lives and get town auto, good luck role cop sender please carry us to victory

I agree with the first clause you have.

Why would LC be in doubt?

[TonyStarkPrime]

there's a mechanical clear strategy here this game is won for town, give me a few seconds to work this out. It will require LC's participation and does fall apart somewhat if LC has like an RB or whatever but I don't know if we can do anything about that

no dusk I choose a player and they get a role of a random living player

[Duskfall]

Oh nvm he claimed to send me a random role not randomly send someone's role to a set target f. Guess I'll see you guys tomorrow if Gy has not accepted me into their loving arms

[Duskfall]

Ok so obviously me/epi are confirmed town and there is now wifom to send the other persons role pm to whoever lives and get town auto, good luck role cop sender please carry us to victory

I agree with the first clause you have.

Why would LC be in doubt?

I mean I think tony is the lynch regardless but if I get sent a role pm telling me long con is vanilla I'm lynching him

[Epignosis]

Oh nvm he claimed to send me a random role not randomly send someone's role to a set target f. Guess I'll see you guys tomorrow if Gy has not accepted me into their loving arms

I don't think I care.

Long Con looks like a civilian.

Tony does not.

[Long Con]

Ok so obviously me/epi are confirmed town and there is now wifom to send the other persons role pm to whoever lives and get town auto, good luck role cop sender please carry us to victory

I agree with the first clause you have.

Why would LC be in doubt?

I mean I think tony is the lynch regardless but if I get sent a role pm telling me long con is vanilla I'm lynching him

Fair.

[Duskfall]

Ok mechanical wins make me happy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay here's a mechanical clear. I'm not losing to LC in another FC.

I am going to target Duskfall with my action tonight.
LC is going to target Epi with his action tonight.

If Duskfall is the target of the night kill, then if LC is telling the truth then Epi will receive my role and the game will be solved. If LC is not telling the truth, Epi will not receive a role and we kill LC.
If Epi is the target of the night kill, then if I am telling the truth then Duskfall will receive a random role and the game will be solved. If I am not telling the truth, Dusk will not receive a role and we kill me.


sound good?

[TonyStarkPrime]

*F3.

I have like three back up plans if this goes south somehow.

[Epignosis]

I hate mechanical wins. But whatever. I was happy to call out JJJ based on his shit.

[Epignosis]

Nobody even gives a SHIT about my Night action. How wild is that?

[Duskfall]

What's your role again epi

Also this plan doesn't work cause mafia can just target the person that they are meant to give the role pm to right

Oh wait no I guess this does work, ok long con make sure you follow above please

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nobody even gives a SHIT about my Night action. How wild is that?

does it disrupt this plan or otherwise affect it?

[Duskfall]

Nobody even gives a SHIT about my Night action. How wild is that?

What's your role again do we know?

[Epignosis]

Okay here's a mechanical clear. I'm not losing to LC in another FC.

I am going to target Duskfall with my action tonight.
LC is going to target Epi with his action tonight.

If Duskfall is the target of the night kill, then if LC is telling the truth then Epi will receive my role and the game will be solved. If LC is not telling the truth, Epi will not receive a role and we kill LC.
If Epi is the target of the night kill, then if I am telling the truth then Duskfall will receive a random role and the game will be solved. If I am not telling the truth, Dusk will not receive a role and we kill me.


sound good?

See, I don't give a shit about mechanics. Duskfall showed initiative and cared enough to lynch JJJ.

You came in like

[Epignosis]

My role:

Spoiler: show

You get to fuck up mafia. Especially if his name is Tony. The end.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay here's a mechanical clear. I'm not losing to LC in another FC.

I am going to target Duskfall with my action tonight.
LC is going to target Epi with his action tonight.

If Duskfall is the target of the night kill, then if LC is telling the truth then Epi will receive my role and the game will be solved. If LC is not telling the truth, Epi will not receive a role and we kill LC.
If Epi is the target of the night kill, then if I am telling the truth then Duskfall will receive a random role and the game will be solved. If I am not telling the truth, Dusk will not receive a role and we kill me.


sound good?

See, I don't give a shit about mechanics. Duskfall showed initiative and cared enough to lynch JJJ.

You came in like

I was asleep are we policing sleep now

[Duskfall]

Epi you and me are cleared here long con and Tony are the people cc'ing each other btw, but the plan lets us find whichever out of them is the mafia

[Epignosis]

Epi you and me are cleared here long con and Tony are the people cc'ing each other btw, but the plan lets us find whichever out of them is the mafia

I don't doubt your plan at all. I'm just having fun at this point.

[Duskfall]

Kk good night frens hopefully mafia doesn't have a roleblocker

[Epignosis]

I'm dead tonight anyway. Might as well eat drink and be merry.

[Long Con]

It's not foolproof, but it's pretty good.

[Epignosis]

I believe Duskfall is good. I believe Long Con is good. That leaves one option. Tony is mafia.

[Epignosis]

It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter

Shouldn't your role power refer to KYLO?

Multiple scum teams would surprise me in an 11 player game.

weirdest slip of all time.

The fact that the power exists puts me on 3 scum

Weirdest slip of all time!

Given three scum, leetic not one of them

Three huh?

I'll continue if you want. Tony is mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter

Shouldn't your role power refer to KYLO?

Multiple scum teams would surprise me in an 11 player game.

weirdest slip of all time.

The fact that the power exists puts me on 3 scum

Weirdest slip of all time!

Given three scum, leetic not one of them

Three huh?

I'll continue if you want. Tony is mafia.

yes continue

[Epignosis]

It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter

Shouldn't your role power refer to KYLO?

Multiple scum teams would surprise me in an 11 player game.

weirdest slip of all time.

The fact that the power exists puts me on 3 scum

Weirdest slip of all time!

Given three scum, leetic not one of them

Three huh?

I'll continue if you want. Tony is mafia.

yes continue

Who's mafia Tony?