Lissa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:29 am
@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really
I don't have that much of a takeaway from it
I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".
[mention]Lissa[/mention]
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum
where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:04 am
Or rather, why did you think moth would complain about not being forced to interact with people that could potentially be town (no spew), as a wolf? I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read, not really following your thought process. You think wolves would complain in wolf chat about not having to interact with people when spew is at bay? lol
Idk i just its kinda slightly scummy. The "I kinda have to make some weird assumption in order to meet this read" sentence
Ive felt like that when i was maf and i was trying to be diplomatic and stuff. i could be wrong but it just feels to me like ted pre emptively wants to agree / not enter conflict
i hate explaining so much just to be clear, i just decided id give it a shot
Is this the reason of your vote? Because the post you quoted was posted after your vote in the thread.
Yea i kinda scumread ted slightly regardless but then he went ahead and made that post and when i responded to u it was an opportunity to give his most recent post as a tongue in cheek kinda thing and also i could just quote it instead of going back the previous page to quote other stuff so i saved myself some calories in clicking less. my granny says im underweight and i should eat more so im just doing my dury with due dilligence
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:07 am[VOTE:
master radishes] aubergine because after reading three more of jovian's posts i've decided i like them and see a little of myself in them.
The Radish has not inspired me this game.
[VOTE:
master radishes] aubergine because I support my triumvirate. I'm going to bed now, and I'll see if I agree with the suspicion in the morning.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am
Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.
Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!
Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.
Lissa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:29 am
@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really
I don't have that much of a takeaway from it
I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".
@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum
where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.
Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:15 am
Like I think the general thing scum wants to do is force me to push the slightly insane read I made to start off the day, and this is in this camp.
Also in what world is Nanook an easier MDF in general than Nutella/Sloonei?
The world you kill me in f3 for one
(That’s right, I randomly saw my name and replied to it and nothing else, anyone that scumreads me for it should tag me so I can laugh at them)
(Also so I remember this game exists and I’m in it)
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
like idk it just felt like same vibes except in public instead of in wolfchat
That read is a read that a villager never cares to make. He moved the goal posts, once I called him out on him not arguing on the same read, he came back to his old "he didn't post this in wolfchat" in order to reinforce his stance.
I think the whole thought process is just contrived.
That read is a read that a villager never cares to make. He moved the goal posts, once I called him out on him not arguing on the same read, he came back to his old "he didn't post this in wolfchat" in order to reinforce his stance.
I think the whole thought process is just contrived.
I do not follow. Walk me through it more slowly. I am not intelligent.
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:56 pm
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
That read is a read that a villager never cares to make. He moved the goal posts, once I called him out on him not arguing on the same read, he came back to his old "he didn't post this in wolfchat" in order to reinforce his stance.
I think the whole thought process is just contrived.
Not sure what you're talking about, I followed marchers thoughts pretty well there and it makes sense to me.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:18 amI've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:56 pm
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?
Position 1 : Moth is town for complaining about not being engaged in thread by people (later on he implies that this is an indicator of nervousness, by the way)
Position 2: It's not exactly the talk, it's the tone behind it
So which one is it, is he town because in a world where he'd be a wolf, he'd conceal information from the main thread and post it in wolf chat, or is he town because of his tone?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
Okay. I don’t see any inconsistency here. “I like how he’s speaking” can very easily be extended to “He’s speaking in a way that is different than how he did in a recent scum performance.” This looks like a consistent read to me.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:56 pm
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?
Position 1 : Moth is town for complaining about not being engaged in thread by people (later on he implies that this is an indicator of nervousness, by the way)
Position 2: It's not exactly the talk, it's the tone behind it
So which one is it, is he town because in a world where he'd be a wolf, he'd conceal information from the main thread and post it in wolf chat, or is he town because of his tone?
These are definitely not mutually exclusive positions.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:56 pm
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?
Position 1 : Moth is town for complaining about not being engaged in thread by people (later on he implies that this is an indicator of nervousness, by the way)
Position 2: It's not exactly the talk, it's the tone behind it
So which one is it, is he town because in a world where he'd be a wolf, he'd conceal information from the main thread and post it in wolf chat, or is he town because of his tone?
When did I say it was about Moth complaining about not being engaged in thread. I never said that.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:56 pm
Reads that come from other games, having a baseline of exactly one game that you didn't even play is exactly the type of reads that wolves make and that villagers never actually care for.
I have no reason to accept or believe that this statement is true.
He also changed the reasoning for his read. When he replied to me in the first place, he moved the goal posts in order to make the read sound legitimate.
What was Position #1, and what did it change into when it became Position #2?
Position 1 : Moth is town for complaining about not being engaged in thread by people (later on he implies that this is an indicator of nervousness, by the way)
Position 2: It's not exactly the talk, it's the tone behind it
So which one is it, is he town because in a world where he'd be a wolf, he'd conceal information from the main thread and post it in wolf chat, or is he town because of his tone?
When did I say it was about Moth complaining about not being engaged in thread. I never said that.
Like I guess it's sorta part of it, but it wasn't about moth complaining about engagement, it's about moth feeling kinda rudderless
Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.
Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:39 pm
#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am
Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.
Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!
Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:05 pm
Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.
Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.
Stop defending him. You're helping nobody.
This is me trying to work out my own reads on everything in the game. I don’t care who I an supposedly defending here. I said I was here to fix the game, remember? I’m as interested in my read of you as I am Jovian here. I asked my own question to [mention]Marcher Jovian[/mention], though, and they still have not answered that.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:05 pm
Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.
Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.
Stop defending him. You're helping nobody.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:18 amI've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm
This is where you said that. This is position 1 :
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:39 pm
#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am
Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.
Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!
Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.
This is position 2.
I have a much easier time reading this as Marcher working through their own thoughts on moth than any sort of suggestion about a contradiction. “Contradiction” reads like this are seldom inspiring to me anyway. If anything I think it’s a civilian indicator.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm
This is where you said that. This is position 1 :
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:39 pm
#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am
Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.
Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!
Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.
The contradiction is the key to a wolf that just TMI'd the slot that people don't interact with because he's going to be a top poster and because you're better off town reading him for bullshit reasons, than attack him.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:10 pm
not even going to mention that he apparently interprets moth prodding people into talking to him as a "nervous" sign, right here.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:47 pm
It's one thing saying "I like how moth is speaking" and a whole another thing saying "He doesn't do this in here and does it in wolf chat"
Why would he even complain about not being engaged in thread, in wolf chat??
because i looked at wolfchat postgame and moth stuck all the nervousness and stuff in there while maintaining the front in thread
I hard disagree with everything that you are saying right now.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:05 pm
Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.
Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm
This is where you said that. This is position 1 :
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:39 pm
#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am
Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.
Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!
Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.
This is position 2.
Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk". I don't know how you extrapolated that into being specifically about "moth is complaining about being engaged". You saw my post, were confused, and made an assumption. You asked for clarification and I gave it to you. Upon receiving it you went "fuck you. I was right the first time and I know what's going on in your head; you didn't match my assumptions about what I thought you were thinking about and are therefore scum". Why the F did you ask the question in the first place if you already knew exactly what you thought I was going to say?!
