Space Invaders [END]

[Epignosis]

Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

well your reverse psych worked. I did google it. regret. much regret. I also dont think Nutella intended it in that way? like pretty sure.

Not sure what to make of you trying to feed me weird acronyms.

So it means something specific to this forum which doesnt show on google. can like... someone enlighten me?

Yeah, I think my revelation is right.

[Epignosis]

Winning at roulette doesnt mean its +EV

I am a gambling man. You are correct about this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s an active game so...no.

Realllllly don’t want to talk about it past this, SR me for anything else you want I’m just asking everyone to please accept my explanation, write it off as NAI, drop it and move on.

You keep mentioning you'll talk Day 3 or 4 or whatever it is.

Is it before of the above comment you made?

If so, nah.

Start talking about people now. You can talk mechanics all you like. I'm through talking mechanics. I want to get into Soneji's posts and Rej's posts and root out aliens. My view is you ought to do likewise.

If you pay attention I have been talking about people, not my fault if you haven’t noticed

[Epignosis]

It’s an active game so...no.

Realllllly don’t want to talk about it past this, SR me for anything else you want I’m just asking everyone to please accept my explanation, write it off as NAI, drop it and move on.

You keep mentioning you'll talk Day 3 or 4 or whatever it is.

Is it before of the above comment you made?

If so, nah.

Start talking about people now. You can talk mechanics all you like. I'm through talking mechanics. I want to get into Soneji's posts and Rej's posts and root out aliens. My view is you ought to do likewise.

If you pay attention I have been talking about people, not my fault if you haven’t noticed

If you've done this in the past ten pages, I haven't seen it because I haven't read it.

[Epignosis]

After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

Can you share for me to assess its reasonability?

I would like to, but times are such that, for me, I never know what's quite acceptable to say out loud and what isn't these days.

On a completely separate and unrelated note, I do have a son named Simon who is autistic and does not think the same way I do.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s an active game so...no.

Realllllly don’t want to talk about it past this, SR me for anything else you want I’m just asking everyone to please accept my explanation, write it off as NAI, drop it and move on.

You keep mentioning you'll talk Day 3 or 4 or whatever it is.

Is it before of the above comment you made?

If so, nah.

Start talking about people now. You can talk mechanics all you like. I'm through talking mechanics. I want to get into Soneji's posts and Rej's posts and root out aliens. My view is you ought to do likewise.

If you pay attention I have been talking about people, not my fault if you haven’t noticed

If you've done this in the past ten pages, I haven't seen it because I haven't read it.

Then ISO me and find it, I’m not here to cater to you

[Epignosis]

It’s an active game so...no.

Realllllly don’t want to talk about it past this, SR me for anything else you want I’m just asking everyone to please accept my explanation, write it off as NAI, drop it and move on.

You keep mentioning you'll talk Day 3 or 4 or whatever it is.

Is it before of the above comment you made?

If so, nah.

Start talking about people now. You can talk mechanics all you like. I'm through talking mechanics. I want to get into Soneji's posts and Rej's posts and root out aliens. My view is you ought to do likewise.

If you pay attention I have been talking about people, not my fault if you haven’t noticed

If you've done this in the past ten pages, I haven't seen it because I haven't read it.

Then ISO me and find it, I’m not here to cater to you

No need. I'll get to it eventually, but that's fair enough anyway.

[Epignosis]

There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

you are making it look like scum theatre now. Not sure if this is another trap to see who jumps on it.

You got to say what it is, otherwise this just seems like a hard pocket attempt.

Very well. This is not a trap. This is not an attempt at anything.

You have been focused on the math of this and reluctant to engage on the "tone" front of things.

When I make a joke I think is obvious you don't get it and push me for more information.

I called MacDougall a hypocrite and you demanded more information.

You are certain I am alien because I do non-transparent things, make gambits, lie, scheme, and manipulate people, and that to you is a sign of evil behavior. And you have not quit knocking on my door with that warrant for my arrest.

Since you have said "You got to say what it is," I will:

I think you are autistic and that your mind is wired differently than that of most Mafia players. This occurrence to me late last night makes me understand you completely differently. I can't see you as a schemer or liar. I see you as brutally honest and determined that math and logic will win the day. For that reason, I have extreme difficulty (especially at this stage when your theoretical teammates would be Soneji and Rej) viewing you as an alien.

[Epignosis]

Now I go to die for seven hours only to be resurrected unto coffee.

unsure what to make of referencing coffee since in day 0, someone made a coffee tell read. not sure if it was a meme. So hard to tell what is meme and what is meta

I went to sleep, slept for seven hours, and then woke up an had coffee. I was just announcing that I was going to bed.

[Epignosis]

Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

I'd be ok with you shooting this @nutella

Hopefully I get to read more about this nugget.

[Epignosis]

Can you explain to me why you think LC is town?

I know you have met your demise, unfortunately, but I don't recall saying anything about LC one way or another.

Perhaps I did. I'd have to go back and see what I said (and then figure out why I said what I said if I said anything).

[Epignosis]

I heavily suspect dunya right now.

Hally dead, then Dyslexicon right after?

[TonyStarkPrime]

shooting dizzy bad. Would've shot dunya first.

[MacDougall]

Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

I'd be ok with you shooting this @nutella

Hopefully I get to read more about this nugget.

i thought he was scum

[Epignosis]

@dunya

So I have now hard defended Carotenoid and Alison.

I should have high partner equity with them in your mind.

Do you think people reading our exchange will think we are doing scum theatre?

i get you don't do dead mafia analysis, but that's not exactly how it works for me.

tone, progression and overall thread contribution make a very big difference. also, my intuition comes into play as a fourth factor when i tie people together. and it's not the hard defence that bugs me, it's the suspecting them without giving reasons for suspicion that bugs me more. it's tmi-ey. like my issue on carot with rej.

alison has spent most of her time in self-defence mode as well (i mean, those are the bulk of posts that i remember), and that's not a good look to me. coupled with rej's treatment of her, i have reason to suspect her.

i look at the overall picture and decide if the person making the defences or accusations actually BELIEVES what they're saying. this is usually very easy to accomplish if you're bussing, but a lot of people fall into TMI and think what's obvious to them is obvious to others, but that isn't true.

those are my methods, and they work for me. ask @MacDougall.

[Epignosis]

@dunya

Can you explain your day/night progression of yours reads on below players? Ideally with some blurb for me to follow as to why.

Epi
Tony
Longcon

I just did an iso on you. Reason I cant read you is you make a lot of short posts and ask a lot of questions, but havent seen any walls of text for me to get any sense of where your head is at. Not everyone is a wall of text kind of person, but it would help me a lot to determine your alignment if you explain your read progression on these 3 players.

epi- scum epi doesn't get so opinionated and fixated on bad reads. he's in TMI land and will make reads that are more easy to push. going after me and you--not easy. why would he not instead make fake cases on people we are more easily to suspect? tunnelling a brand new player to our website from day 0--not epi behavior. plus, he's basically oozing town and i will bet my cat on it. if i lose to him this game, i'm more than ok with that. i don't agree with a lot of his reads, i mean, i think he's very wrong about me and you, but i'm okay with that.

tony- i waffle on tony tbh. but he makes some posts that just seem so authentically coming from a townie mindset that i wanna lock town him. his game mechanic solving has seemed as authentic as nanook's... i guess i felt a little less confident with him sort of disappearing, but it doesn't change his iso looking townie. we just finished playing a game together where he was in LyLo with LC and Epi. i knew he was town there, and i believe he's town here. there's a lot of overlap in behavior.

lc- i dunno. my weakest town read is on lc out of these three, but i iso'd them and like, didn't feel any negative energy from their posts. seem really authentic and in a setup like this, i feel like LC woulda been stronger at bussing. that's speculative but idk, i just don't think they're in my poe now.

If dunya is bad, kill LC.

[Epignosis]

Actually, Epi is probably double spewed town from Rej "protecting him".

this is a good point, I didn't realize this. I was already townreading Epi so he's just lock now.

At what time should I expect you to kill me?

I'd like to be well dressed.

[Epignosis]

I did not use my protect last night.

are u sure you didn't protect epi?

[Epignosis]

I'm up to Page 42

I feel like we have near auto because aliens only have 1kp forever now and there should be other people cleared. I want to say Tony is also cleared but not 100% sure if they were hard scumreading rej early on.

This derp though. Is this strange when Proto has spent over half the time talking about math and mechanics, to not know the scum's KP?

* protocultures has become my strongest townread, and by a good margin

This is very interesting. Cause the world I have in mind is Proto/Carot. I feel Proto is deliberately handling Carot with silk gloves. If this is the team it looks like they're purposefully hard defending each other, maybe from the assumptions that's been floated that scum would rather bus. Would be cool if correct. There's a lot of people I town read and I have a hard time seeing other solutions. It's weird, but so weird that it makes sense to me.

I mathed why its BAD to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.

Question for you: You've been wrong on Soneji. You've been kind of wrong on Rej. Why are you still so intent on reading Epi scum? What makes you think you're qualified to make that read? It feels like you're just going and going to have something to do. Epi has clearly said he doesn't care about your math. Neither do I. Scum can post pro town strategy all day long. Doesn't mean they're town. Town can care less about mechanics. Doesn't mean they're scum.

This explanation is the type I hate because its pure emotion, and how can other people try and read that?

Can you try and explain your emotion as to why we lose after one missed laser shot?

This is slightly just a rant about mafia in general. But this is a game with people in it. It's about understanding human behavior. Emotions is a big part of human behavior. I'm so confused by the statement "how can you expect us to read emotions" cause that's like... totally a normal part of life and it naturally leaks into mafia games too. Mafia is not a game about logic, first and foremost in my opinion. I respect different views, I just failed to not rant a bit about this.

i was here all of n1. i wasn't here d1.

also, you of all people will not use any night kill "who was online" analysis with me, buddy! i know what you did that summer!

That is probably why I thought of it. =p But I'm over it since you indeed were here N1.

Hands up. I made a mistake on alien KP with 2 alive. It's been consistent the entire game thinking 2kp until 2. You can iso my posts and check it.

You can tinfoil and think I breadcrumbed THAT as well. If so, I guess it's a respect scum read? Or tinfoil square and think my raising the possibility of breadcrumbing in the mistake is scummy.

I protect carotenoid because I townread them and don't think there is enough proof to flip my read. If there were I would be joining them.

I had null reads on Soneji and Rej. Kinda thought Soneji was more likely town but I didn't hard defend them. I'm open to re-evaluating epi. Have asked twice for links to their prev games. I think the flip post mortem makes it less likely they are alien. Let me know when you catch up fully.

What makes anyone qualified to do anything? What even is this question. You play mafia, you make reads. Didn't realise we needed a certificate of qualification. I can apply if there is a process.

People can say don't care about mechanics. If I determine they have the ability to work through it and wilfully choose not to, I make conclusions. Some people aren't logical - yes. I hate it.

Scum are unlikely to post pro town mechanical strategy. They don't need to. The majority of the game either doesn't care about it or doesn't want to engage it or hasn't thought about it at all or just doesn't get it. This isn't a normal game. This is a mech heavy game imo. Town can do disastrously worse depending on decisions. If I was scum I would be pushing the agenda of "ignore math - find scum - save townies".

How can you really read emotion on forum.

I'm sad. Am I lying?

My question to tutuu was legit. Their statement made no sense. I asked for an explanation other than "it was the feeling I had at the time". You got to have some inkling of why something made you feel this way. To flip it, if every time someone asks me to justify something I say it was a feeling, could you read me on that? Feels like a soft shielding on your part.

Q.E.D.

[Epignosis]

I did not use my protect last night.

are u sure you didn't protect epi?

I'm feeling slow, why ask this?

uh, rej? ring any bells? it was a joke. now i explained a joke and it's lame. ;p

Ok, sorry... I mean, everyone is asking everyone to reveal what they did last night, and I just got caught up and shared my non-action. I didn't get it because I'm, like, one of the only players who hadn't reveled it yet, and you didn't make the joke on any of them. I thought it was personally directed at me, wasn't sure if it was Rej-related shade. Or psychic vision, since...

Spoiler: show

I did protect Epi the first night.

I don't believe you.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

I'll get my reads out:
(I will ISO Soneji and Rej both, but I need to take a break from this game soon as I've spent hours already)

Town (maybe somewhat in order):

Epi - Spewed town by Rej. Will get posts when I ISO Rej.
Dunya - I believe they wouldn't kill Hally. I can see their paranoia. I'm trying not to omgus. I thought they were town in the very beginning and this is probably just correct.
Alison - I have a very hard time seeing Alison as scum here. Her analysis and how she reacts to others seems very solid and genuine. Like she's actually building worlds inside her head. I will be impressed if she's scum.
Mac - Is probably just town. Their frustration of being scum read early seemed genuine. Also liked the point he agreed with Hally on town reading me "because he likes me". Just seemed unnecessary if scum. Apparently back on the Dizzy H8r wagon now, but meh. I would still guess town for Mac. I wish I posted more.
Tutubie - I think Tutu is town. I can't bother to explain this other than she felt town and the way she assumed she was universally town read is towny.
Nanook - I can't really bring myself to scum read Nanook. All of their posts just reads like normal Nanook when they've been town. It's not very solid reasoning. Also they mentioned they didn't want me to be scum. I think this is more likely to come from town. I also make reads or at least have in mind who I'd feel the most bad about being wrong on etc in my suspicions. Not optimal, but it's a thing.

Others:
Tony - I wouldn't be surprised if Tony is town. Maybe I'm just tilted from him assuming Soneji scum before Soneji flipped (which probably could have a reasonable explanation which I discussed with Hally). He's also a bit in the background for me.
LC - I fear omgus. I'd rather want Nut to read LC. Sorry/not sorry. Or I'll have to get back to it later.
Proto - There's so many things I don't like catching up. He really seemed to be deflecting from Soneji and Rej. Maybe too obvious, but he also said he's used to playing without flips. On the other hand, same with Alison here, if he's scum I'll be impressed by his sheer involvement.
Carot - Probably who I think is the most likely scum at this point. Don't get her scum read on Alison. Also seems like a weak push/not genuine. More just defence. Seem less impactful than before. I thought town for the glaring deflect on Soneji, but it doesn't hold up for me anymore. Maybe she thought she had town cred.

^At least two of these are town. Hi. Hello.

^I want to ISO Proto and Carot at a point to.
I guess I won't do anything but mafia today. =p

Reposting given current events.

[Long Con]

I did not use my protect last night.

are u sure you didn't protect epi?

I'm feeling slow, why ask this?

uh, rej? ring any bells? it was a joke. now i explained a joke and it's lame. ;p

Ok, sorry... I mean, everyone is asking everyone to reveal what they did last night, and I just got caught up and shared my non-action. I didn't get it because I'm, like, one of the only players who hadn't reveled it yet, and you didn't make the joke on any of them. I thought it was personally directed at me, wasn't sure if it was Rej-related shade. Or psychic vision, since...

Spoiler: show

I did protect Epi the first night.

I don't believe you.

This dunya connection idea is not right. I really did protect you.

[Epignosis]

Rej claiming a night save on someone not Nutella is not as "bad" as preclaiming a save on Nutella. Does that help the difference in approach? They also haven't posted much and seemed to have gone through some dentistry and think had said they weren't as active as they would like to be. I cut them a bit of slack - yes. The real question is if I am an alien partner with Rej do I have the interaction at all knowing it's all going to be reviewed???

Yet Rej flipped scum and nobody who has preclaimed a save on Nutella is flipped scum.

Yeah. Obvious question there. That is what I'm trying to figure out. Feels like you were being deliberately lenient with Rej. I absolutely didn't like your interaction with him or how you talked about him. Especially you not having even a bit of frustration about Epi being the protect of choice for Rej. Read more like you were trying to give Rej the opportunity to become more towny. Read like you knew it didn't happen anyway.

The more you are suspicious of me the more I will townread you. No sarcasm.

Yeah, mark protoman as a civilian.

[protocultures]

I'm up to Page 42

I feel like we have near auto because aliens only have 1kp forever now and there should be other people cleared. I want to say Tony is also cleared but not 100% sure if they were hard scumreading rej early on.

This derp though. Is this strange when Proto has spent over half the time talking about math and mechanics, to not know the scum's KP?

* protocultures has become my strongest townread, and by a good margin

This is very interesting. Cause the world I have in mind is Proto/Carot. I feel Proto is deliberately handling Carot with silk gloves. If this is the team it looks like they're purposefully hard defending each other, maybe from the assumptions that's been floated that scum would rather bus. Would be cool if correct. There's a lot of people I town read and I have a hard time seeing other solutions. It's weird, but so weird that it makes sense to me.

I mathed why its BAD to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.

Question for you: You've been wrong on Soneji. You've been kind of wrong on Rej. Why are you still so intent on reading Epi scum? What makes you think you're qualified to make that read? It feels like you're just going and going to have something to do. Epi has clearly said he doesn't care about your math. Neither do I. Scum can post pro town strategy all day long. Doesn't mean they're town. Town can care less about mechanics. Doesn't mean they're scum.

This explanation is the type I hate because its pure emotion, and how can other people try and read that?

Can you try and explain your emotion as to why we lose after one missed laser shot?

This is slightly just a rant about mafia in general. But this is a game with people in it. It's about understanding human behavior. Emotions is a big part of human behavior. I'm so confused by the statement "how can you expect us to read emotions" cause that's like... totally a normal part of life and it naturally leaks into mafia games too. Mafia is not a game about logic, first and foremost in my opinion. I respect different views, I just failed to not rant a bit about this.

i was here all of n1. i wasn't here d1.

also, you of all people will not use any night kill "who was online" analysis with me, buddy! i know what you did that summer!

That is probably why I thought of it. =p But I'm over it since you indeed were here N1.

Hands up. I made a mistake on alien KP with 2 alive. It's been consistent the entire game thinking 2kp until 2. You can iso my posts and check it.

You can tinfoil and think I breadcrumbed THAT as well. If so, I guess it's a respect scum read? Or tinfoil square and think my raising the possibility of breadcrumbing in the mistake is scummy.

I protect carotenoid because I townread them and don't think there is enough proof to flip my read. If there were I would be joining them.

I had null reads on Soneji and Rej. Kinda thought Soneji was more likely town but I didn't hard defend them. I'm open to re-evaluating epi. Have asked twice for links to their prev games. I think the flip post mortem makes it less likely they are alien. Let me know when you catch up fully.

What makes anyone qualified to do anything? What even is this question. You play mafia, you make reads. Didn't realise we needed a certificate of qualification. I can apply if there is a process.

People can say don't care about mechanics. If I determine they have the ability to work through it and wilfully choose not to, I make conclusions. Some people aren't logical - yes. I hate it.

Scum are unlikely to post pro town mechanical strategy. They don't need to. The majority of the game either doesn't care about it or doesn't want to engage it or hasn't thought about it at all or just doesn't get it. This isn't a normal game. This is a mech heavy game imo. Town can do disastrously worse depending on decisions. If I was scum I would be pushing the agenda of "ignore math - find scum - save townies".

How can you really read emotion on forum.

I'm sad. Am I lying?

My question to tutuu was legit. Their statement made no sense. I asked for an explanation other than "it was the feeling I had at the time". You got to have some inkling of why something made you feel this way. To flip it, if every time someone asks me to justify something I say it was a feeling, could you read me on that? Feels like a soft shielding on your part.

Q.E.D.

I assume Q.E.D. relates to this being proof of autism rather than agreeing with the content of my post. Let me know either way.

If it helps, I self diagnose as on the spectrum (mild aspergers). Some people agree and some disagree. Almost all would say I demonstrate some of the behaviours, it just seems to be about degree.

No offence taken and I assumed this was your revelation but even I know I can't speculate since it might be viewed as me trying to say something about your son.

I guess I have to hard town read you even more now because I struggle to live in a world where someone who doesn't kill new people early in games finds a way to call a new person autistic.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

For the record, with an admittedly small sample size, based on his video mafia play I do not think proto is entirely out of his scum range. That said he’s been playing pro town and I’m not really interested in questioning people that have been playing as pro town as he has!

[protocultures]

For the record, with an admittedly small sample size, based on his video mafia play I do not think proto is entirely out of his scum range. That said he’s been playing pro town and I’m not really interested in questioning people that have been playing as pro town as he has!

I have said earlier I am within scum range.

[protocultures]

For the record, with an admittedly small sample size, based on his video mafia play I do not think proto is entirely out of his scum range. That said he’s been playing pro town and I’m not really interested in questioning people that have been playing as pro town as he has!

thinking about it, could you hedge this opinion any more?

unsure what to read into the hedging.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

For the record, with an admittedly small sample size, based on his video mafia play I do not think proto is entirely out of his scum range. That said he’s been playing pro town and I’m not really interested in questioning people that have been playing as pro town as he has!

thinking about it, could you hedge this opinion any more?

unsure what to read into the hedging.

I probably could, but then again maybe not? Idk, just depends on how hedgey I was feeling at the time I guess, I think I probably could under the right circumstances, but under different circumstances I might not be able to. So yeah, I think maybe I possibly might potentially be able to sometimes hedge more if I tried to, perhaps.

[protocultures]

Well 3 now.

Me - TSP - Dunya

In that order.

why did you describe this list as "us"?

used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people as the object of a verb or preposition?

[dunya]

i want epi to have a revelation about me and understand why i am town. i want town epi to be able to see through to town dunia. can't that happen in this game, please?

[dunya]

i would shoot mac right now if i could tbh. the fact he and alison are protecting nutella is meeeeehhhhhh. but at least [mention]sabie12[/mention] is also protecting the nut. please confirm [mention]sabie12[/mention]

[protocultures]

i would shoot mac right now if i could tbh. the fact he and alison are protecting nutella is meeeeehhhhhh. but at least @sabie12 is also protecting the nut. please confirm @sabie12

Aliens have 1 KP, Nutella has requested 3 protects.

Literally cant go wrong. So he says.

Its also good to spread saves so less likely for people to die without having used any.

[MacDougall]

i want epi to have a revelation about me and understand why i am town. i want town epi to be able to see through to town dunia. can't that happen in this game, please?

It's not him you need to convince

[dunya]

i would shoot mac right now if i could tbh. the fact he and alison are protecting nutella is meeeeehhhhhh. but at least @sabie12 is also protecting the nut. please confirm @sabie12

Aliens have 1 KP, Nutella has requested 3 protects.

Literally cant go wrong. So he says.

Its also good to spread saves so less likely for people to die without having used any.

as long as everyone follows the plan, sure.

ccing: [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

[dunya]

the fact of the matter is, if you feel like you're not gonna be alive for 3 phases, use your bunker shot to protect someone

[dunya]

like, people in nutella's poe. they aren't surviving three phases. better use protects on epi/proto tbh.

like, it's reached a point in the game where coordinating a little bit wouldn't hurt because we can catch the bad guys if we do.

i also kinda believe TSP is town from how he kept asking if anyone used their bunker save on someone who isn't nutella yesterday. seemed really damn authentic.

as such, i'm leaning towards this was all wifom and the mafia literally skipped a kill or tried to kill nutella anyway, with the hopes of creating this 4 player elimination game. we know dizzy was town, i know i'm town, i know proto is town and i feel tony is town.

epi is town.
sabie is town.

my poe goes back to:

long con's "i saved" epi on night 1 also seems...authentic. but i have to check what LC reacted when Rej claimed to have protected epi on night 1 now. it makes a big difference in his reaction imo.
nanook comes back into my poe for pure wifom and agreeing that eliminating us 4 is a good idea.
Mac because he doesn't wanna figure shit out
Alison because she's my biggest scum lean atm
Carot i've spoken about and waffled on a lot, but can't remove her from the pool though the soneji/rej stuff is almost open wolfing lol. so idk, least ready to shoot carot.

[dunya]

Oh yea i was also thinking of using RNG to determine our protections

like idk the numbers but lets say arbitrarily say 10% , each bunker goes to rand.org or however eas the site, rolls between 1 and 100, if its 1 to 10 they protect nutella, otherwise save their shot. Obv different on even nights and as more of us die but u get the idea. Like, just think of some numbers that will give us good odds, i think its okay to slightly potentially lose the game on the first night if it means bigger chance to win in the end

We have to assume the aliens will try to kill nutella every night. We will non-randomly arrange protects to ensure, and insure, that she has multiple layers of protection each night. We will do this in a way that eliminates the possibility of unfortuitously picking all aliens to protect her.

this seems so.....inauthentic. like the language used doesn't sway me to think LC is town.

also LC likes to defend epi when he's bad, he did it in ziggy and he did it here again. "epi doesn't do this/that" it feels like an underhanded way to get points with epi subconsciously.

[Long Con]

That was a weird post. Some sort of mood.

My reaction to rej protecting Epi was to townread him because he did what I did. Town mindmeld? So I thought.

[protocultures]

the fact of the matter is, if you feel like you're not gonna be alive for 3 phases, use your bunker shot to protect someone

No because this means we might waste a bunch.

This is alien propaganda.

[dunya]

What if they scumread Rej for having a low postcount? Its kinda how you got scummier that one day you were afk.

i don't theorize on why a player could be scum reading another player. if they list them in bottom three of their POE and repeatedly shade them and pair them with our flipped mafia, they should have made it OBVIOUS why they scum read them. otherwise, this looks like distancing to me.

I am less inclined to suspect rej due to his admission that he protected Epi last night.

@Long Con but wifom

an alien saying they protected someone who was universally town read by the thread in case they get nkd is going to sit well in people's minds than him coming in and saying he didn't do anything, is still behind in the thread, short on time, etc. right?

WIFOM is always a possibility. Rej insinuates the idea that he has protections into our minds.

I did not use my protect last night.

are u sure you didn't protect epi?

I'm feeling slow, why ask this?

uh, rej? ring any bells? it was a joke. now i explained a joke and it's lame. ;p

Ok, sorry... I mean, everyone is asking everyone to reveal what they did last night, and I just got caught up and shared my non-action. I didn't get it because I'm, like, one of the only players who hadn't reveled it yet, and you didn't make the joke on any of them. I thought it was personally directed at me, wasn't sure if it was Rej-related shade. Or psychic vision, since...

Spoiler: show

I did protect Epi the first night.

so this is the series that is relevant. i definitely think LC can be soneji and rej's teammate.

his first instinct was to defend rej, but decides against it based on thread mood towards rej so he throws an accusation at rej. why didn't he back it up with "i think rej is town because i saved epi n1 too"? because it's fake, that's why.

when i threw that joke to LC, it alerted him. look at his reaction "why ask this?" basically: what do you know? what are you implying? he wants to know what i mean. am i catching on to them being teammates? i mean, the game setup is clear, it's not like i visited LC at night and saw he visited epi.

LC is lying. if he did indeed protect Epi at night 1, he would have shown more sympathy and understanding towards rej. instead, he threw him under the bus just like he hammered JJJ in ziggy. i can't believe this is the reaction of someone who townmelded with someone else.

[dunya]

Rej insinuates the idea that he has protections into our minds.

LC is insinuating a lot of ideas in our minds.

1. protecting Epi from newcomers by sharing meta info
2. acting like "ooopsie" and LC knows better than that
3. using language that makes us double down and think that LC is "innocent", like saying "wow i thought you were psychic" - it's reverse psychology.
4. what sort of alien would claim to have protected epi n1 after rej gets lynched after doing the same? that's what he wants us to think.

[Long Con]

No, all just genuine gameplay.

[dunya]

talk to me why you didn't come forward about protecting epi n1 on day 2 then? like what was your thought process behind it?

[dunya]

Alison and Carotte being yellow probably actually means they're town and Epi and LC being yellow probably means at least one of them is mafia

I don't think that's a good conclusion. I think we're both town. Look at Epi's entrance to today, is his Soneji analysis illegitimate? Is he manipulating? I judge it to be genuine town using a D1 mafia elim for solid analysis. Also, I'm town too, bank on it and I promise no disappointment.

this is another instance where he is trying to manipulate epi into town reading him imo. "why does one of epi and LC have to be an alien, epi looks town, right? and so am i, we're both town"

also a good example of how he plays with words. look at the words he uses when he makes us think of epi (someone who thinks is genuine). "is it illegitimate?" "is he manipulating?"

negative words used to describe someone genuine to cause us to reasses.

LC did not mention soneji even once before he flipped.

i need to check soneji's mentions for LC actually.

[dunya]

soneji doesn't mention LC, but puts him in his "undecided" pool:

Still deciding
Nanook
Long Con
Carot
Dizzy - flipped town
Bimbo(don't think they posted?) - Hally flipped town

if carot or nanook are town, then this should make them feel even more suspicious.

for reference, he put rej in his scum pile.

bad. LC is bad.

[Long Con]

Ugh don't get so revved up on this dude.

I didn't come forward about protecting Epi because I didn't want to give aliens free information. I defended Epi as town because I believe he is town.

[dunya]

giving aliens information about the night after it happened? what sorta "free" information were you withholding when you could potentially be saving someone who just thinks like you?

[Long Con]

How many protects a given player has left will inform alien kills.

[dunya]

i've said what i wanna say anyway, shooting you isn't up to me. but i don't believe when someone is getting lynched and being scum read for a reason that is identical to something i did as a townie, that i wouldn't speak up. even if i'm telling aliens i have 3 shots instead of 4...

but yeah, let the others weigh in on you.

[Long Con]

But I did speak up in his defense.