Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is captain nope'

No I’m not.

[Sloonei]

What’s the best reason we can come up with to call outed wolf a civilian?

[tedxtr]

What’s the best reason we can come up with to call outed wolf a civilian?

[Carotenoid]

Captain nope' and his wolfy friends are trying to make him a mislim

[Sloonei]

Captain nope' and his wolfy friends are trying to make him a mislim

What

[bronana]

What’s the best reason we can come up with to call outed wolf a civilian?

lazy to the point where he loops back around to being a villager

[Carotenoid]

Captain nope' and his wolfy friends are trying to make him a mislim

What

It's not super compelling to answer you when you keep saying nope to us

[tedxtr]

I am putting forward a motion for my UT to be changed to ":wiz:"

who do I have to paypal

[Sloonei]

Captain nope' and his wolfy friends are trying to make him a mislim

What

It's not super compelling to answer you when you keep saying nope to us

Bronana asked me a yes/no question and my honest answer was no. I’m not denying him or anyone else anything. I’m just telling him that I have not looked at soneji’s iso yet.

[tedxtr]

for formatting purposes : not ":wiz:"

[Sloonei]

I am not having fun playing this game right now. I think I should leave.

Y’all are cool, sorry about this.

[nutella]

for formatting purposes : not ":wiz:"

can emojis be put in undertitles? I don't think so but I can try

[tedxtr]

It's cool Sloonei, I was like this on D1, I think the townies are bonding tho

I am still waiting for the apologies IF marcher flips wolf

[Carotenoid]

I am not having fun playing this game right now. I think I should leave.

Y’all are cool, sorry about this.

I wasn't super nice sorry

Can you put your vote on nutella?

[Sloonei]

I am not having fun playing this game right now. I think I should leave.

Y’all are cool, sorry about this.

I wasn't super nice sorry

Can you put your vote on nutella?

I’m debating on whether or not I want to.

Why should I?

[dunya]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[Sloonei]

How are my questions coming off? I feel like I am being received as if I am openly hostile towards people. But my questions are meant to serve a facilitative role, not an interrogative one. Sometimes I am interrogating people when I think have them caught in a lie, but for the most part I ask my questions because I want to give the conversation room to breathe.

[Lissa]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[dunya]

How are my questions coming off? I feel like I am being received as if I am openly hostile towards people. But my questions are meant to serve a facilitative role, not an interrogative one. Sometimes I am interrogating people when I think have them caught in a lie, but for the most part I ask my questions because I want to give the conversation room to breathe.

you're fine to me, bubbah.

keep doing your thing. if people don't see town sloonei when town sloonei shines, it's cos they have an agenda imo or will come around eventually. please don't stop or change.

[dunya]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

tbh, i'm almost very sure MJ is bad based on what i saw today only. but i want to offer sloonei my support cos since day 1 kza has felt off for me.

[Marcher Jovian]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

[Marcher Jovian]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

tbh, i'm almost very sure MJ is bad based on what i saw today only. but i want to offer sloonei my support cos since day 1 kza has felt off for me.

We are not doing kza today. That would be utterly awful to do to MR. I can feel MR’s soul right now, screaming at us, that this is a terrible choice. If you don’t want to vote me find someone else.

[Sloonei]

How are my questions coming off? I feel like I am being received as if I am openly hostile towards people. But my questions are meant to serve a facilitative role, not an interrogative one. Sometimes I am interrogating people when I think have them caught in a lie, but for the most part I ask my questions because I want to give the conversation room to breathe.

you're fine to me, bubbah.

keep doing your thing. if people don't see town sloonei when town sloonei shines, it's cos they have an agenda imo or will come around eventually. please don't stop or change.

I don’t think there’s an anti-sloon agenda at work. I just feel like I have given off the wrong impression/been misinterpreted several times by some of the new folks around here.

[Lissa]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

Lol I mean I openly admitted to doing that to some degree with sloonei

Anything else?

[Marcher Jovian]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

Lol I mean I openly admitted to doing that to some degree with sloonei

Anything else?

what do you want from me. Like seriously what’s the point behind this question right now?

[Turnip Head]

#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread

Does anyone else think this post is sketchy? I can't remember anybody ever discussing this post

[Lissa]

I haven’t ever perceived you as hostile sloonei ftr

[Sloonei]

#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread

Does anyone else think this post is sketchy? I can't remember anybody ever discussing this post

I talked about it in my iso. I liked it. Why is it sketchy?

[Marcher Jovian]

Like that post is literally an example of the kind of post I mean when I say “vaguely reasonable sounding stuff that gets townread for ??? reasons”

[Turnip Head]

Is day chat for wolves common in games where MJ comes from?

[Marcher Jovian]

#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread

Does anyone else think this post is sketchy? I can't remember anybody ever discussing this post

lol

[Marcher Jovian]

Is day chat for wolves common in games where MJ comes from?

Yes

[Lissa]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

Lol I mean I openly admitted to doing that to some degree with sloonei

Anything else?

what do you want from me. Like seriously what’s the point behind this question right now?

I’ve done plenty else

Your description of “only sheeping zack” is pretty cherry picky

[tedxtr]

#weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread

Does anyone else think this post is sketchy? I can't remember anybody ever discussing this post

[Marcher Jovian]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

Lol I mean I openly admitted to doing that to some degree with sloonei

Anything else?

what do you want from me. Like seriously what’s the point behind this question right now?

I’ve done plenty else

Your description of “only sheeping zack” is pretty cherry picky

This now marks the second time you’ve brushed off my accusations against you as “just cherry-picking”

[Carotenoid]

BANISH NUTELLA

I wanna focus on N1-D2, but let’s just remember that D1, #1382 is nutella’s explanation for her vote on Master Radishes. It’s essentially maybe he’s really busy and it’s NAI but just in case should vote him.
When Master Radishes calls her case bad, #1396 is her answer and then she gets 100% sure he’s wolf and starts to call dunya-Master Radishes w/w.

After the flip, nutella gives us a beautiful «  Sigh » in #1728. No signs of:
* Feeling sorry/bad for Master Radishes
* Trying to see who/what was suspicious during EoD
2 hours later she posts a « are you mixing up games again? [rofl emoji] » when Long Con confuses games and another hour later at #1767 she agrees with Lissa saying that Marcher Jovian post-flip reaction seemed pure and real.
Still no thoughts about EoD at all.
#1779 is also towards thinking Marcher Jovian town, but the minute after (#1780) she says «  Like I think it's possible Jovian is wolf and had TMI on carotte town, but I don't think they ever do that as w/w? And I suspect carotte more than jovian anyway »
Then the nutella opportunistic waffle indecision happens. I already did a post about it so I’m just gonna put it here again

Spoiler: show

nutella's view on Marcher Jovian and me is like incredibly indecisively opportunistic.

Color code
Thinking Marcher Jovian w me v
Thinking Marcher Jovian v me w
Thinking we're w/w
Thinking we're v/v

hmmm. yeah marcher really never did explain why they townread carotte so confidently, I was hoping they'd go back and find the specific posts that gave them that feeling

@Marcher Jovian can you do so


still think it's more likely TMIing/whiteknighting a townie but I also suspect carotte independently and maybe they just would hard defend a teammate idfk

Spoiler: show

hmmm. yeah marcher really never did explain why they townread carotte so confidently, I was hoping they'd go back and find the specific posts that gave them that feeling

@Marcher Jovian can you do so


still think it's more likely TMIing/whiteknighting a townie but I also suspect carotte independently and maybe they just would hard defend a teammate idfk

how is it TMIing a villager when you suspect carot and are hesitant on suspecting marcher

that sentence is breaking my brain

I just don't see it as w/w, I think it is w/v or v/w (or v/v I guess but meh)
I'm open to your view of it though, maybe they are just teammates but I really don't feel it and I don't have the energy to dig into marcher's meta

--> This is also not answering the question.
nutella was previously thinking Marcher Jovian is town and that I'm mafia but when "maybe Marcher Jovian is wolf" gained traction it became one of her possibility. When asked about it her answer is like "I think there's a wolf between them but but heeeeeey, if you convince me they're w/w I'll believe it"

hi ted I think you're prob town now btw

youve been trending up a while now in general and jovian stonks are down which doesnt hurt

After dodging the question on how she can see Marcher Jovian TMI me when she suspects me, she uses the suspicion on Marcher Jovian to befriend tedxtr. She's like not even directly committing on scumreading Marcher Jovian, it's just some opportunistic shade.

There's also #1808 where nutella is like k cool I'd be surprised (about us being w/w) and all that and POOF, #1810 actually it's possible hmnn

Aside from that

well I felt like radish/dunya was a slam dunk lol. preflips are a helluva drug

This came from nowhere, is self-defensive but not townie feeling sorry for doing a bad push nor townie trying to see their mistake.

Also, let’s acknowledge that nutella said she was going to try not tunnel Marcher Jovian or me too hard at #1904.

I asked her what were her thoughts about dunya after Master Radishes flip and what were her thoughts on who was suspicious at EoD. Her answer at #1921 is underwhelming. Question is « Who do you think acted wolfy and opportunistic at EoD? » and answer is basically if it was really t/t/t/t «  […] we'd need to scrutinize the people who weren't really present at eod. » That question was hedged.
Right after she says we should lay off from Marcher Jovian and me. She votes TonyStarkPrime saying « do things » at #1923.

This post happens *3 minutes* after her vote.

holy shit the second page of tsp's iso is hot garbage

all empty one-liners that are either offtopic/jokes or completely useless directionless comments


he's going to guilt me into thinking that's more in line with his town meta but looking at it all together I cannot condone this body of (non)work

I know her saying trying not to tunnel too hard was about Marcher Jovian and me at #1904 but it seems odd to me that nutella after being wrong on Master Radishes gets super confident on TonyStarkPrime for reasons that are… Similar to the ones that got Master Radishes banished. eh.

#1929 is eh, nutella is kinda backing off from her read.

#1935 Bim bam boum colorful readlist, TonyStarkPrime is top suspect.

#1945 nutella is saying DrWilgy D1 was kinda normal and a town lean, that's a big *eh*

#1983 She’s saying she thought we were masonry, which Marcher Jovian thought comes only from town but I think bronana mentioned this first, so she might have just picked that up from him and scramble something like that. Anyway, conclusion is she’s confident I’m a wolf

#2004 is now a vote on Marcher Jovian

Anyway, some interactions happen, #2085 #2119 is *eh* but anyway

Turnip Head votes TonyStarkPrime like nutella (apparently without knowing she did) and after some interactions this sequence of posts happen:

TH's posts all feel a bit too...concoctedly clever

I should really look at a recent scumgame of theirs tbh this doesn't feel right

@Turnip Head can you explain your TSP vote? I recall you saying you were thinking of doing so independently of/without having seen my criticisms of him but I don't think you ever said what your own reasoning was

TH's iso in AC (wolf)
TH's iso in GOC (town)

it's kinda hard to draw a defined tonal distinction for them tbh but I do lean toward their posts here mapping a bit more onto the scum iso. I'm probably confirmation biasing it too. but i'm tipsy and have great intuition so fuck it

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

Lots of me asking nutella things and her saying I’m just creating a bad narrative around her

It seems you're quite sure on both of them hmn

I'm not really, I have reservations on both but they are currently my strongest scumreads outside the you/jovian can of worms

Having reservations on my strongest scum reads is a nice oxymoron



Then there’s like lots of posts quoting stuff with « weak », « agree »



Her next vote is this

[VOTE: outed wolf] aubergine

kinda think this is just what it says on the tin

At this point we're around yesterday when nutella flips her read of Sloonei when he’s in the spotlight. In her most recent catch-up nutella ignores all stuff that should be relevant to her like people having discussions about Turnip Head (that she scumreads) and just quotes 2 posts saying I’m wolfy. One of these two posts being moth attacking me despite not having read what’s happening properly.

[tedxtr]

[Marcher Jovian]

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] can you pls talk about why you think nutella cleared away the KZA wagon

[tedxtr]

In order to remain a positive I gotta step back right now

There are many words that would describe my state of mind after reading a certain post

[nutella]

Having reservations on my strongest scum reads is a nice oxymoron

what

no it isn't

[Carotenoid]

yip yip yip

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

tl;dr nutella is a weather vane in a bad way

[nutella]

you seem to have summarized my posts nicely

not much of a narrative of why you think they're actually suspicious except maybe my lack of eod analysis, idk I just didn't have much come to mind about it

[Carotenoid]

@Carotenoid can you pls talk about why you think nutella cleared away the KZA wagon

KZA was bad, it would have dissolved anyway
I do not give her the credit of dissolving that wagon

[nutella]

yip yip yip

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

tl;dr nutella is a weather vane in a bad way

how so?

I've made all of my reads pretty independently

if you want a weather vane look at, I don't know, lissa?

[Carotenoid]

*KZa wagon

[Turnip Head]

I broke our ted

[Lissa]

Marcher do you ever plan on actually elaborating on how I’ve just been “making vaguely good sounding posts and sheeping zack”?

It feels pretty self-evident to me. Like you’ve collected several townreads for “sounding reasonable” which doesn’t actually mean anything. Gou are sheeping zack because you are sheeping zack. Like legit just look at the vote movement. Followed onto me, followed onto sloonei, probably gonna follow back onto me right now.

Lol I mean I openly admitted to doing that to some degree with sloonei

Anything else?

what do you want from me. Like seriously what’s the point behind this question right now?

I’ve done plenty else

Your description of “only sheeping zack” is pretty cherry picky

This now marks the second time you’ve brushed off my accusations against you as “just cherry-picking”

Maybe there’s a reason for that!

[Marcher Jovian]

I mean even if it’s identified as a bad wagon, why does wolf!nutella clear it out and not just let town keep tearing at town!KZA

[tedxtr]

I broke our ted