Space Invaders [END]

[protocultures]

Would you want to kill outside of us 3 if you weren't in the three?

[Long Con]

I want to make sure I understand the reasoning behind why it has to be you three. Why couldn't any given wolfteam decide to go for the Gusto and hope that some bunkers will save their protect, believing no one would dare attack Nutella with our awesome plan. It has occurred to me to do such a deceptive thing in order to save protects for later.

[dunya]

ii could have stayed out of the pool if i didn't voluntarily claim i saved nutella, so what does that tell u.

[Long Con]

I mean, what I really believe, is that Epignosis didn't waste one of his valuable protects on Night 1. Him saying it was enough, I hope that I'm right, because that would be awesome... we'll find out after the game. I mean, it should be a big part of the game, claiming one thing in the thread, and doing another, to mess with the Aliens. I get that there's a Bunker Plan that everyone should follow, but that doesn't preclude the temptation to become a rogue element in order to gain advantage later in the game.

Is the plan to kill a specific three players in order really that solid? Does it consider rogue elements and the risk calculations that may be happening in the Alien camp?

[protocultures]

I want to make sure I understand the reasoning behind why it has to be you three. Why couldn't any given wolfteam decide to go for the Gusto and hope that some bunkers will save their protect, believing no one would dare attack Nutella with our awesome plan. It has occurred to me to do such a deceptive thing in order to save protects for later.

Dont think I followed that all. Can you reword it and replace Gusto with another word?

[protocultures]

I mean, what I really believe, is that Epignosis didn't waste one of his valuable protects on Night 1. Him saying it was enough, I hope that I'm right, because that would be awesome... we'll find out after the game. I mean, it should be a big part of the game, claiming one thing in the thread, and doing another, to mess with the Aliens. I get that there's a Bunker Plan that everyone should follow, but that doesn't preclude the temptation to become a rogue element in order to gain advantage later in the game.

Is the plan to kill a specific three players in order really that solid? Does it consider rogue elements and the risk calculations that may be happening in the Alien camp?

I flirted with the idea of Epi being a 5heads pretending to be a 3head ages ago. They would do exactly this type of play you suggest. Its kind of what Alison did with epi as well. Think they are scummy and then townread them assuming they are doing some advanced strategy. In my deepest of hearts, I I hope so (because thats so much more awesome), but I wouldnt bet money on it. The problem is that by saying it, it gives Epi the opportunity to do it and the idea (if they didnt already).

I am all for lying closer to the endgame when every bunker save counts and we might need to bluff. Early game I dont think its particularly good to lie/bluff town - again, I could be wrong.

My kill 3 plan - assumes aliens dont value keeping POE wide over taking out bunkers. If my premise is wrong, my proposal is bad.

I have been asking people up and down to discuss potential merits. In addition to merits, perception of merits, because if its close or not that clear, aliens might just reach another conclusion anyway. Havent managed to get anyone to bite yet.

Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died, and it looks scummy AF if I get a kill within the 4 and then deflect off the plan.

I havent been convinced the plan is bad and nobody is trying to explain why.

Aliens value POE wide over taking out bunker saves. Thats the argument I would need to be moved on specfically. Also because if there IS scum in the 3, and I abandon the plan, I will feel pretty bad, and I like being able to look at myself in the morning.

[dunya]

you plan is bad if dunya and TSP and proto are all town. can you agree with that much?

[dunya]

Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died

i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.

[protocultures]

you plan is bad if dunya and TSP and proto are all town. can you agree with that much?

yes?

[protocultures]

I mean, if aliens shoot Nutella again that would kind of tell us some stuff too

[protocultures]

Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died

i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.

I must atone for the mistakes with death. I have brought great dishonour.

[intentionally scummy post]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died

i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.

Too many sunk costs already, might as well kill em all

[dunya]

Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died

i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.

Too many sunk costs already, might as well kill em all

why r u coasting? why arent you hunting?

wtf is happening in this mafia game. i'd scum read you all if i could tbh

[MacDougall]

Dunya plz

[Epignosis]

I'm up to Page 42

I feel like we have near auto because aliens only have 1kp forever now and there should be other people cleared. I want to say Tony is also cleared but not 100% sure if they were hard scumreading rej early on.

This derp though. Is this strange when Proto has spent over half the time talking about math and mechanics, to not know the scum's KP?

* protocultures has become my strongest townread, and by a good margin

This is very interesting. Cause the world I have in mind is Proto/Carot. I feel Proto is deliberately handling Carot with silk gloves. If this is the team it looks like they're purposefully hard defending each other, maybe from the assumptions that's been floated that scum would rather bus. Would be cool if correct. There's a lot of people I town read and I have a hard time seeing other solutions. It's weird, but so weird that it makes sense to me.

I mathed why its BAD to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.

Question for you: You've been wrong on Soneji. You've been kind of wrong on Rej. Why are you still so intent on reading Epi scum? What makes you think you're qualified to make that read? It feels like you're just going and going to have something to do. Epi has clearly said he doesn't care about your math. Neither do I. Scum can post pro town strategy all day long. Doesn't mean they're town. Town can care less about mechanics. Doesn't mean they're scum.

This explanation is the type I hate because its pure emotion, and how can other people try and read that?

Can you try and explain your emotion as to why we lose after one missed laser shot?

This is slightly just a rant about mafia in general. But this is a game with people in it. It's about understanding human behavior. Emotions is a big part of human behavior. I'm so confused by the statement "how can you expect us to read emotions" cause that's like... totally a normal part of life and it naturally leaks into mafia games too. Mafia is not a game about logic, first and foremost in my opinion. I respect different views, I just failed to not rant a bit about this.

i was here all of n1. i wasn't here d1.

also, you of all people will not use any night kill "who was online" analysis with me, buddy! i know what you did that summer!

That is probably why I thought of it. =p But I'm over it since you indeed were here N1.

Hands up. I made a mistake on alien KP with 2 alive. It's been consistent the entire game thinking 2kp until 2. You can iso my posts and check it.

You can tinfoil and think I breadcrumbed THAT as well. If so, I guess it's a respect scum read? Or tinfoil square and think my raising the possibility of breadcrumbing in the mistake is scummy.

I protect carotenoid because I townread them and don't think there is enough proof to flip my read. If there were I would be joining them.

I had null reads on Soneji and Rej. Kinda thought Soneji was more likely town but I didn't hard defend them. I'm open to re-evaluating epi. Have asked twice for links to their prev games. I think the flip post mortem makes it less likely they are alien. Let me know when you catch up fully.

What makes anyone qualified to do anything? What even is this question. You play mafia, you make reads. Didn't realise we needed a certificate of qualification. I can apply if there is a process.

People can say don't care about mechanics. If I determine they have the ability to work through it and wilfully choose not to, I make conclusions. Some people aren't logical - yes. I hate it.

Scum are unlikely to post pro town mechanical strategy. They don't need to. The majority of the game either doesn't care about it or doesn't want to engage it or hasn't thought about it at all or just doesn't get it. This isn't a normal game. This is a mech heavy game imo. Town can do disastrously worse depending on decisions. If I was scum I would be pushing the agenda of "ignore math - find scum - save townies".

How can you really read emotion on forum.

I'm sad. Am I lying?

My question to tutuu was legit. Their statement made no sense. I asked for an explanation other than "it was the feeling I had at the time". You got to have some inkling of why something made you feel this way. To flip it, if every time someone asks me to justify something I say it was a feeling, could you read me on that? Feels like a soft shielding on your part.

Q.E.D.

I assume Q.E.D. relates to this being proof of autism rather than agreeing with the content of my post. Let me know either way.

If it helps, I self diagnose as on the spectrum (mild aspergers). Some people agree and some disagree. Almost all would say I demonstrate some of the behaviours, it just seems to be about degree.

No offence taken and I assumed this was your revelation but even I know I can't speculate since it might be viewed as me trying to say something about your son.

I guess I have to hard town read you even more now because I struggle to live in a world where someone who doesn't kill new people early in games finds a way to call a new person autistic.

The Q.E.D. does relate to that.

Before we had our oldest son, I didn't know much of anything about it, and it has taught me a lot (and that I have a lot to learn).

I have spent most of my career working with a math teacher who has Aspergers. Perhaps one of the most brilliant and most organized people on campus, I was lucky to learn he is a baseball nerd (and I just became one a few years ago), so we have something to chat about.

He's the sort that will send a mass email informing everyone that the school's bell schedule is off by 37 seconds and that should be corrected (I later discovered that the wrestling coach and the transportation director would intentionally set the bell schedule off from time to time just to mess with him, which is pretty fucked up).

I have an admiration for persons such as him and such as you, because you see things most of us don't and think about things in a way most of us don't, and a lot of us (unfortunately) tend to overvalue social cues and emotional "awareness" (for lack of a better term).

(As our son grows up, my wife increasingly thinks I'm on the spectrum, by the way, and I find it easier and easier to agree with her in many respects).

[Epignosis]

Well 3 now.

Me - TSP - Dunya

In that order.

why did you describe this list as "us"?

used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people as the object of a verb or preposition?

[Epignosis]

i want epi to have a revelation about me and understand why i am town. i want town epi to be able to see through to town dunia. can't that happen in this game, please?

I don't know that I'm the one who needs to have that revelation though.

[dunya]

it means something to me

[protocultures]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

[nutella]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

[protocultures]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.

Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.

poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.

[sabie12]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.

Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.

poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.

You talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.

[protocultures]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.

Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.

poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.

You talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.

Can't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.

I'm town. I know I am town if that helps. Nutella doesn't know for sure I am town. I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.

[protocultures]

Sway nutella

[MacDougall]

Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market

[protocultures]

Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market

If this isn't a trap post, you are like X3 random alien.

[Long Con]

proto, why would nutella shoot you again? Explain it to me in a sentence.

[MacDougall]

Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market

If this isn't a trap post, you are like X3 random alien.

why

[sabie12]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.

Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.

poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.

You talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.

Can't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.

I'm town. I know I am town if that helps. Nutella doesn't know for sure I am town. I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.

I can only hope that some day someone somewhere will understand me or my sense of humor. It's a dream of mine. Never give up!

Also, I'm saying it's an interesting strategy to be so confusing on purpose that it appears as though you don't even know who you are.

You have a very spock way of thinking. I've always liked spock. I'm a very logical literal person myself.

[protocultures]

proto, why would nutella shoot you again? Explain it to me in a sentence.

Shooting into Nutella night 2 protectors. Dizzy TSP Dunya Proto.

[Long Con]

I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.

You'd be surprised. That's half my strategy in most games.

[MacDougall]

alright hang on let me take a gander and what's going on here

[dunya]

i kinda wanna play video mafia with proto tho.

do we get turns talking or talk over each other?

[Long Con]

proto, why would nutella shoot you again? Explain it to me in a sentence.

Shooting into Nutella night 2 protectors. Dizzy TSP Dunya Proto.

What did you think of my criticism of that plan, re: Rogue Elements and Alien Risk Assessment?

[dunya]

I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.

You'd be surprised. That's half my strategy in most games.

same tho

[protocultures]

Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.

I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.

what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill him

Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.

Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.

poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.

You talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.

Can't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.

I'm town. I know I am town if that helps. Nutella doesn't know for sure I am town. I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.

I can only hope that some day someone somewhere will understand me or my sense of humor. It's a dream of mine. Never give up!

Also, I'm saying it's an interesting strategy to be so confusing on purpose that it appears as though you don't even know who you are.

You have a very spock way of thinking. I've always liked spock. I'm a very logical literal person myself.

I'm slightly intentionally scummy to get shot after which I hope Nutella feels committed to shooting TSP and Dunya as well. As I said, if it's wrong I don't mind being flamed. I also volunteered to go next.

[sabie12]

i kinda wanna play video mafia with proto tho.

do we get turns talking or talk over each other?

There's a video mafia?

[MacDougall]

nutella can I take day 4 off plz i'm dyin over here

[Long Con]

nutella can I take day 4 off plz i'm dyin over here

But that's when your potato pass ends.

[dunya]

i can't believe i ever saw the light in your plan, but my dizzy tunnel was legit.

it's a bad plan. you know you're town, don't sacrifice yourself. if she goes through us three, and we're all town, the game is over dude.

[dunya]

i kinda wanna play video mafia with proto tho.

do we get turns talking or talk over each other?

There's a video mafia?

yea but im too intimidated to play lol. maybe if you're with me, it'll feel less scary.

[MacDougall]

nutella can I take day 4 off plz i'm dyin over here

But that's when your potato pass ends.

that was the other game lol

[MacDougall]

i kinda wanna play video mafia with proto tho.

do we get turns talking or talk over each other?

There's a video mafia?

yea but im too intimidated to play lol. maybe if you're with me, it'll feel less scary.

i'll be there for youuuuu

when the rain starts to fall

[Long Con]

nutella can I take day 4 off plz i'm dyin over here

But that's when your potato pass ends.

that was the other game lol

Dammit

[MacDougall]

just quietly how great of a concept is the potato pass

[nutella]

nutella can I take day 4 off plz i'm dyin over here

yeah ur good

[sabie12]

i kinda wanna play video mafia with proto tho.

do we get turns talking or talk over each other?

There's a video mafia?

yea but im too intimidated to play lol. maybe if you're with me, it'll feel less scary.

Is that just like playing werewolf but via video chat?

Intriguing but weird.

[dunya]

just quietly how great of a concept is the potato pass

why the fuck don't i ever get a potato pass?

[sabie12]

just quietly how great of a concept is the potato pass

why the fuck don't i ever get a potato pass?

I like potatoes

[dunya]

just quietly how great of a concept is the potato pass

why the fuck don't i ever get a potato pass?

I like potatoes

i'm growing potatoes! a shitload of them. i'll show you all if they actually come out good lol.