Space Invaders [END]

[protocultures]

Least likely to be bunker protected.

right, but why not keep POE wide again and dump KP onto Nutella

[dunya]

Least likely to be bunker protected.

right, but why not keep POE wide again and dump KP onto Nutella

If I was scum, my main objective is killing townies instead of wasting shots on nutella when I'm sure she'll be protected. I don't get your theory.

[dunya]

Why can't bussing be a thing in this setup?

It's like, the best set up for bussing and getting "town cleared".

[dunya]

if this is a "mechanical" strategy, then nanook, TSP and Alison look worse to me.

[Epignosis]

like, people in nutella's poe. they aren't surviving three phases. better use protects on epi/proto tbh.

like, it's reached a point in the game where coordinating a little bit wouldn't hurt because we can catch the bad guys if we do.

When the math teacher I work with tells me the bells are off, the bells are off.

proto says the bells are off and I've woken up and I believe him. Set those fuckers back 37 seconds.

Nobody needs to protect me. I don't want that.

Nobody needs to protect protoman. Proto doesn't want that (sorry if protoman bothers you- Megaman character).

This is trying to burn up protections and now that I realize proto isn't a scoundrel and honestly believe that shit, I'm all aboard.

You are town (I'm willing to lose the game if you are alien) but it feels like you are intentionally making it look like in this specific post you and me are performing scum theatre.

Protoman is not going to bother me if I am not going to be bothered by you calling me an autistic mathemagician.

Doesn't "scum theater" imply that you and I are teammates?

I didn't save epi btw. I just wanted to reduce POE but leave epi alive. I still have 3 bunker saves.

Aliens NOT no killing again makes me think they aren't pushing an agenda of keep POE wide and makes me want to kill into TSP, Dunya, Proto more.

You mean you told a lie?

I feel like 5head epi is going to make their reveal today or tomorrow. Which means LC was right. Also means Alison's read was right which was a weird AF one to me. I floated the idea in my head but squashed it. Knowing what I know now about Alison, makes me townread them more we came to similar unlikely motive for Epi, although they had more conviction to hold it.

I have no idea what this means.

[protocultures]

Least likely to be bunker protected.

right, but why not keep POE wide again and dump KP onto Nutella

If I was scum, my main objective is killing townies instead of wasting shots on nutella when I'm sure she'll be protected. I don't get your theory.

Right which is why I think the scum are within you tony and me. Because they didn't put KP into bunkers means they tried to kill Nutella, which means there's probably some aliens in you tony and me.

[protocultures]

Why can't bussing be a thing in this setup?

It's like, the best set up for bussing and getting "town cleared".

It can. I'm open to arguments for hard bussing. If you iso my posts I have asked if it's meta to hard bus and whether it's common. My conclusions were not firm.

[dunya]

are you scum reading epi, proto?

[protocultures]

Epi I feel like you are a performing magician who is building up to a big reveal and the explains everything they have done this game, what was a lie what was a trap, why they did it, who they caught and solve the game. In my mind it's kind of going to be like the super cool explanation at the end of every oceans heist movie.

Not sure if LongCon can post anymore but I kind of hope they are still reading and agree with me here...

[protocultures]

are you scum reading epi, proto?

No. Just commenting his post might be viewed as scummy is what I am saying.

Epi is lock town to me and probably forever this game.

[Epignosis]

It's offensive to me people who have played with me for a long time think I can do that. It's one thing if the game had redirects, but deciding yea dunya gonna shoot Hallys head off after hally replaced in without playing for 24 hrs. And yeah dunya gonna take case LC during the night then kill him.

I don't blame the new folks, but Epi and mac and nutella. What is wrong with me??

I cannot recall an instance where you did this. For that reason I have to reconsider my view.

The underlined bit is something you would do though.

[protocultures]

[mention]dunya[/mention]

Let me re-word it like this.

When I say kill into the 4 protectors, you say aliens dumped KP onto Nutella to keep POE wide.

When Aliens kill LC, you say aliens want to reduce bunkers.

Do you think aliens changed their mind between nights as to what they should be doing?

If they want to keep POE wide, why not continue to do so?

[protocultures]

The other thing is that now, your appeal to emotion post which I townread is not directed at everyone, but people who know your meta, which is much more "allowed" in my moral sphere I have constructed for you when you do this to people you play with often.

[mention]dunya[/mention]

what do you think about this?

[dunya]

The other thing is that now, your appeal to emotion post which I townread is not directed at everyone, but people who know your meta, which is much more "allowed" in my moral sphere I have constructed for you when you do this to people you play with often.

@dunya

what do you think about this?

i don't know what you're asking me. what are you asking me?

i told you that i'm an emotional player in both alignments, but i am not within my wolf range with the hally n1 kill. the aliens messed up there if their intention is to get me zapped.

[dunya]

@dunya

Let me re-word it like this.

When I say kill into the 4 protectors, you say aliens dumped KP onto Nutella to keep POE wide.

When Aliens kill LC, you say aliens want to reduce bunkers.

Do you think aliens changed their mind between nights as to what they should be doing?

If they want to keep POE wide, why not continue to do so?

you're too logical for my brain.

they created confusion and made everyone suspect that at least 2 maf were protecting nutella.

they can't win the game by simply not shooting anyone. poe exists. strategy for odd and even number nights can be different to them, also.

[dunya]

The underlined bit is something you would do though.

i disagree. i'm overworked and exhausted, i'm not spending that much time on something that will not catch or won't improve my chances of winning. i could have much more easily cased alison/carot/mac, and it would be in line with my views all game. why would alien dunya waste that much effort on a whole new suspect? someone she cant push to get lynched the next day?

i genuinely felt i caught LC in a lie with his claim that he saved you n1. i guess i'm adding LC to people i cannot read.

[Epignosis]

Here's where I'm at. List is in order of confidence: the people at the top are the ones I'm most confident putting into that category.

Town:
Epignosis - He has an established meta that would forbid him to shoot Hally, plus the way Rej claimed a save on him makes me think he's spewed clear.
protocultures - Just consistently the most transparent player in the game. Emotion feels pure when he has it and the Epi/proto tunnel felt like genuine stubbornness on a scumread (if horribly unproductive).
dunya - As mentioned, I think her emotion today is genuine, and I think her play for most of the game has been textbook townie - solving, picking up on clues, paranoia about being manipulated.
MacDougall - there's a lot of fluff to sift through, but when he makes a post that isn't fluff, it's usually good. Interactions with Rej/Soneji clear him. Wasn't sure whether to put him or dunya higher.
sabie - looks worse than tutuu did, but I had a pretty confident townread on tutuu and sabie hasn't done anything to undermine that.

Null:
TSP - The attack on Soneji D1 bought him some towncred in my eyes, but I haven't really been able to get a grasp on him since then, he grapples with a lot of mechanical stuff which just ends up reading as NAI to me (him and proto are like the players I've mentally demarcated as "mechanical play posters" this game). If I'm wrong about my scumreads, probably he's the one I'd look at first.

Scum:
Carotenoid - really low effort shade-casting and I think the push on me is very bad. The reasons themselves for reading me scum are individually bad but the disconnect between the way they're selling their read and the way they actually act is something I can't get over. It reads to me like scum going "oh yeah, I should be scumreading/pushing alison here", but their heart's not in it becauase they know it's not a real read.

Nanook - Kind of annoyed it's D4 and he still hasn't stepped it up. Really do not like the waffly attitude wrt Carot, and I think "sabie/alison" as his PoE is just him picking two random townies to blast without really caring who goes.

I wanted to make a neat little list too. In mine I want to identify the best reasons I have for believing a person is a bunker. I'll do these in chunks for my own sanity.

protocultures: I believe that proto believes what he has been preaching. I do not think proto would flip desks about me for days on end if he wasn't honest, and I would reason that his team would simply try to take my life and be done with me that way. proto chose the graveliest path in dealing with me and stuck with it until receiving strong evidence in my favor. And that was enough for proto.

dunya: I had forgotten that dunya bears a similar code as I do. For that I am sorry. If nutella can recall dunya killing a new person Night 1, nutella can act accordingly (as I believe nutella has more experience with dunya than I do). I still want to reevaluate a few things, but dunya does adhere to that code, then the only way she's alien is if one her goofy teammates sent in a kill without consulting her, and like me, dunya is a BTSC presence, not an absentee.

MacDougall: I cannot think of anything in Mac's favor here. To those arguing that the treatment of Soneji and Rej "clears" Mac I say rubbish. Soneji had Rej in his bad pile too. I don't know about Rej as much, but Soneji is perfectly happy throwing teammates under the bus and Mac is perfectly comfortable making love to the undercarriage of a Greyhound.

[dunya]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

[protocultures]

like, people in nutella's poe. they aren't surviving three phases. better use protects on epi/proto tbh.

like, it's reached a point in the game where coordinating a little bit wouldn't hurt because we can catch the bad guys if we do.

When the math teacher I work with tells me the bells are off, the bells are off.

proto says the bells are off and I've woken up and I believe him. Set those fuckers back 37 seconds.

Nobody needs to protect me. I don't want that.

Nobody needs to protect protoman. Proto doesn't want that (sorry if protoman bothers you- Megaman character).

This is trying to burn up protections and now that I realize proto isn't a scoundrel and honestly believe that shit, I'm all aboard.

You are town (I'm willing to lose the game if you are alien) but it feels like you are intentionally making it look like in this specific post you and me are performing scum theatre.

Protoman is not going to bother me if I am not going to be bothered by you calling me an autistic mathemagician.

Doesn't "scum theater" imply that you and I are teammates?

I didn't save epi btw. I just wanted to reduce POE but leave epi alive. I still have 3 bunker saves.

Aliens NOT no killing again makes me think they aren't pushing an agenda of keep POE wide and makes me want to kill into TSP, Dunya, Proto more.

You mean you told a lie?

I feel like 5head epi is going to make their reveal today or tomorrow. Which means LC was right. Also means Alison's read was right which was a weird AF one to me. I floated the idea in my head but squashed it. Knowing what I know now about Alison, makes me townread them more we came to similar unlikely motive for Epi, although they had more conviction to hold it.

I have no idea what this means.

I think these are likely to come true today or tomorrow.

I mean, what I really believe, is that Epignosis didn't waste one of his valuable protects on Night 1. Him saying it was enough, I hope that I'm right, because that would be awesome... we'll find out after the game. I mean, it should be a big part of the game, claiming one thing in the thread, and doing another, to mess with the Aliens. I get that there's a Bunker Plan that everyone should follow, but that doesn't preclude the temptation to become a rogue element in order to gain advantage later in the game.

I think I understand what Epi is trying to do here and if my theory is correct he's town

Since the conversation has moved on, I see no reason in saying my theory about Epignosis. I think he was trying to be intentionally provocative to try to squeeze some kind of reaction out of me. It would explain the rapid escalation of hostility as well as the weird hangup about me "judging" people despite doing the same thing himself. I thought it was just scummy at first, then I thought maybe it was a part of his personality, but the fact that he kept prodding and poking at me specifically eventually made me suspect that he was doing it as a reaction test of some kind. After I disengaged he moved onto wanting to shoot Mac instead of me and had a much calmer tone which makes me think I was right in suspecting this.

If this theory is correct, and I think it is, then Epi is a pretty solid townread of mine. Scum don't pull this kind of convoluted reaction test in general, and when they do they do it in order to get towncred, which was not what Epi did (since I realized what he was doing independently, without him pointing it out or otherwise trying to claim "credit" for it).

I dont mind the tunnel from Epi. ... I kind of this this is some elaborate troll on their part or some weird reaction test to bad accusations.

Still hoping this might be some 5head play where they intentionally play scummy to see who townreads them, or where they make weaksauce accusations to see where it gets support from to identify aliens.

[protocultures]

The other thing is that now, your appeal to emotion post which I townread is not directed at everyone, but people who know your meta, which is much more "allowed" in my moral sphere I have constructed for you when you do this to people you play with often.

@dunya

what do you think about this?

i don't know what you're asking me. what are you asking me?

i told you that i'm an emotional player in both alignments, but i am not within my wolf range with the hally n1 kill. the aliens messed up there if their intention is to get me zapped.

Ok, so more specifically, would you be within your wolf range to lie to people who know your meta about whether or not you would kill Hally.

[protocultures]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

Im not even certain the mechanical solve is good, i have been asking people to push for why wide POE is better for aliens or could be perceived better than just blasting bunkers.

[Epignosis]

Epi I feel like you are a performing magician who is building up to a big reveal and the explains everything they have done this game, what was a lie what was a trap, why they did it, who they caught and solve the game. In my mind it's kind of going to be like the super cool explanation at the end of every oceans heist movie.

Not sure if LongCon can post anymore but I kind of hope they are still reading and agree with me here...

This time I'm starring in a movie directed by David Lynch. You get to the end and still have no idea why I did what I did.

[TonyStarkPrime]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

[dunya]

The other thing is that now, your appeal to emotion post which I townread is not directed at everyone, but people who know your meta, which is much more "allowed" in my moral sphere I have constructed for you when you do this to people you play with often.

@dunya

what do you think about this?

i don't know what you're asking me. what are you asking me?

i told you that i'm an emotional player in both alignments, but i am not within my wolf range with the hally n1 kill. the aliens messed up there if their intention is to get me zapped.

Ok, so more specifically, would you be within your wolf range to lie to people who know your meta about whether or not you would kill Hally.

no.

think of it this way, you don' know much about me but maybe you know i get emotionally invested in the game and players i play with. hally is a brand new player on the syndicate, and she replaced into a game with 20+ pages and made an effort to catch up on those and make maybe more than 100 posts. do you think, based on what you know about my personality, i would feel comfortable deciding hally has to be the n1 kill? remember, i was here for all of n1. from start till finish. i couldn't have been blindsided by my scumteam because i wasn't around to chip in. i was around.

of course, you can all claim wifom, but it's a principle for me, not just a silly meta read. i play dozens of games every year; do you think, logically, i'd burn myself to win one game if i were an alien here?

[protocultures]

Epi I feel like you are a performing magician who is building up to a big reveal and the explains everything they have done this game, what was a lie what was a trap, why they did it, who they caught and solve the game. In my mind it's kind of going to be like the super cool explanation at the end of every oceans heist movie.

Not sure if LongCon can post anymore but I kind of hope they are still reading and agree with me here...

This time I'm starring in a movie directed by David Lynch. You get to the end and still have no idea why I did what I did.

Your response is exactly what you WOULD say if you had a plan but werent ready to reveal it.

[protocultures]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

I feel like people outside of us 3 only oppose it if they have one partner within us 3.

[Epignosis]

proto, true or false:

Assuming everyone has told the truth, all living bunkers at this juncture has three protections left.

[dunya]

false. i saved nutella n1 and n2, at her request, both times.

[dunya]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

I feel like people outside of us 3 only oppose it if they have one partner within us 3.

i don't understand that. that is way too obvious, so i'm going to disagree. someone with 1 mafia teammate can wait until three of us are dead and flip town. how is that a con for them?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Awwwww RIP LC Hope to play with you again soon! If I had to pick from the remaining three of protos plan I'd say dunya is the most sketchy. I felt like from the time I came in I thought she was alien but couldn't quite figure out what it is. Her end of day push on dizzy wasn't great. Some town reads on her came from her saying oh I never would have killed hally.

I also thought carrots end of day wasn't great either. Them saying dont shoot dizzy so they could look like hey see they were town I'm good and then kinda disappearing.


Nanook its funny you don't like tutuus suspicion on allison but you also think allison is bad. You suspect me for something I can't defend or explain. Dizzy agreed with me on the points I made against you and now they're dead.

Yeh, not much you can really defend against there, sorry. If you’re town and want to we can try to find each other, just ping me and we can try to real time for a bit or something, see if we end up on the same page.

And I didn’t kill dizzy so it’s not really a fair thing to try and pin on me

[protocultures]

The other thing is that now, your appeal to emotion post which I townread is not directed at everyone, but people who know your meta, which is much more "allowed" in my moral sphere I have constructed for you when you do this to people you play with often.

@dunya

what do you think about this?

i don't know what you're asking me. what are you asking me?

i told you that i'm an emotional player in both alignments, but i am not within my wolf range with the hally n1 kill. the aliens messed up there if their intention is to get me zapped.

Ok, so more specifically, would you be within your wolf range to lie to people who know your meta about whether or not you would kill Hally.

no.

think of it this way, you don' know much about me but maybe you know i get emotionally invested in the game and players i play with. hally is a brand new player on the syndicate, and she replaced into a game with 20+ pages and made an effort to catch up on those and make maybe more than 100 posts. do you think, based on what you know about my personality, i would feel comfortable deciding hally has to be the n1 kill? remember, i was here for all of n1. from start till finish. i couldn't have been blindsided by my scumteam because i wasn't around to chip in. i was around.

of course, you can all claim wifom, but it's a principle for me, not just a silly meta read. i play dozens of games every year; do you think, logically, i'd burn myself to win one game if i were an alien here?

"Are you within your wolf range to lie to people who know your meta about whether or not you would kill Hally."- "no"

right, but your answer to that question might also be a lie if you are a wolf. Its basically something only the people with meta on you can answer, and they also only answer truthfully if they are town.

I mean, I am all for the principle, in principle, but I would probably personally be fine killing a new person on day 1 (although would lean slightly against it) purely for game integrity reasons and that having this meta reduces my mafia range.

Whether you would burn yourself to win one game, I think we disagree on the conclusion. You consider it burning yourself, I would consider it as expanding your mafia range.

In the end, I read you as a "nice person" and "nice people" dont kill new players on day 1, so thats where I lean. I just have to float all arguments for completeness.

[TonyStarkPrime]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

I feel like people outside of us 3 only oppose it if they have one partner within us 3.

So therefore the fact that no one is opposing it besides me, Dunya, and definitely town people -- a sign that it's exactly me/Dunya or neither of us, which is something that was already fairly established.

[protocultures]

proto, true or false:

Assuming everyone has told the truth, all living bunkers at this juncture has three protections left.

havent tracked and havent got info from everyone on day 1. Too many silent non responses which may or may not indicate holstering.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

At some point somebody should see how LC and Hally’s reads overlapped if at all, but idk if that’s gonna be me or not

Also interested in the hard dizzy pushers tbh

Explain why looking through Hally and LC posts for overlapping reads helps find scum. Do town opinions get better after they die? Do you think aliens are killing town who suspect aliens?

Why aren't you including dizzy in the review.

Hally and LC were the NKs. Some scum will kill for threats, it’s possible that scum are killing within a grouping of “unlikely to get misshot plus a threat to scum.” If they have no overlapping scumreads it’s more likely they’re just killing for unlikely to get misshot, if they have an overlapping read or two that might suggest something else.

[protocultures]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

I feel like people outside of us 3 only oppose it if they have one partner within us 3.

i don't understand that. that is way too obvious, so i'm going to disagree. someone with 1 mafia teammate can wait until three of us are dead and flip town. how is that a con for them?

Well if you are town and outside of us 3, you arent going to go out of your way to push for someone outside of us 3 unless you feel like you have a really strong case to bring.

thats where my head is at anyway. I am not good at predicting people's behaviour.

[dunya]

my mafia game doesn't need help. i never kill new players and i still win. ;p

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ll real time with you though if you want to! I’m aroundish for a bit.

What do you think about the way Carot has been fixated on me being scum?

Well, it’s a read I mostly share, so....not terrible tbh

Carot’s tough for me to make a good call on cause my time online hasn’t overlapped much with theirs

That is a pretty shallow take on it though. Like agreeing with the read is one thing, but I've constantly emphasized that there's a disparity between Carot's claimed read on me and her actions. Like Carot says I am scum a lot but does very little to actually push me, engage with me, make a case on me, show other people what she sees and why those things paint me as scum... yet is tunnelled enough on me to refuse to consider other pairings simply because I'm not in them, and has basically said she opposes any shot that isn't me.

Does none of that seem AI to you at all?

I mean, different people do different things with their reads, yeah? Like...I personally don’t really push reads usually, I just make them then either try to strongarm people into listening to them or barter with townreads to get them to accept my read if I’ll accept one of theirs or whatever. So like...I don’t think handling a read the way you’re describing is particularly AI, tbh? Now, if she makes the read but keeps pushing other places, that I could see maybe.

Or if you can contrast it to a town game where she handled a strong scum read differently, that would potentially be AI.

First time I have come across the concept of horse trading town reads with people and then accepting them. This feels super weird to me. Can someone confirm whether this is common, accepted as good, and that Nanook has an established meta for participating in this activity.

I can provide examples of doing this if needed

Tbf I don’t usually do it on syndicate cause not many people here play that way, I play largely through POE and world building while the majority here seem to prefer to play differently.

[Epignosis]

sabie12:

This is sabie's latest post:

Awwwww RIP LC Hope to play with you again soon! If I had to pick from the remaining three of protos plan I'd say dunya is the most sketchy. I felt like from the time I came in I thought she was alien but couldn't quite figure out what it is. Her end of day push on dizzy wasn't great. Some town reads on her came from her saying oh I never would have killed hally.

I also thought carrots end of day wasn't great either. Them saying dont shoot dizzy so they could look like hey see they were town I'm good and then kinda disappearing.


Nanook its funny you don't like tutuus suspicion on allison but you also think allison is bad. You suspect me for something I can't defend or explain. Dizzy agreed with me on the points I made against you and now they're dead.

If sabie12 is alien, this line of accusation means that either sabie genuinely forgot her team didn't destroy Dizzy (which I don't believe) or that sabie12 wants us to think that (which I also don't believe).

If the mistake is real, sabie12 is a bunker.

[protocultures]

At some point somebody should see how LC and Hally’s reads overlapped if at all, but idk if that’s gonna be me or not

Also interested in the hard dizzy pushers tbh

Explain why looking through Hally and LC posts for overlapping reads helps find scum. Do town opinions get better after they die? Do you think aliens are killing town who suspect aliens?

Why aren't you including dizzy in the review.

Hally and LC were the NKs. Some scum will kill for threats, it’s possible that scum are killing within a grouping of “unlikely to get misshot plus a threat to scum.” If they have no overlapping scumreads it’s more likely they’re just killing for unlikely to get misshot, if they have an overlapping read or two that might suggest something else.

I think Hally was unlikely to get lasered by Nutella. I think LC was not unlikely to get lasered - kinda maybe in the middle. Thoughts?

[Epignosis]

Awwwww RIP LC Hope to play with you again soon! If I had to pick from the remaining three of protos plan I'd say dunya is the most sketchy. I felt like from the time I came in I thought she was alien but couldn't quite figure out what it is. Her end of day push on dizzy wasn't great. Some town reads on her came from her saying oh I never would have killed hally.

I also thought carrots end of day wasn't great either. Them saying dont shoot dizzy so they could look like hey see they were town I'm good and then kinda disappearing.


Nanook its funny you don't like tutuus suspicion on allison but you also think allison is bad. You suspect me for something I can't defend or explain. Dizzy agreed with me on the points I made against you and now they're dead.

Yeh, not much you can really defend against there, sorry. If you’re town and want to we can try to find each other, just ping me and we can try to real time for a bit or something, see if we end up on the same page.

And I didn’t kill dizzy so it’s not really a fair thing to try and pin on me

Nanook, what does sabie's underlined accusation against you tell you about her?

Why do you need to "real time" for a bit to figure sabie out?

[protocultures]

my mafia game doesn't need help. i never kill new players and i still win. ;p

rawr I love it when people exude confidence like this.

Do you win by lying that you dont kill new players?

[protocultures]

basically, i think proto's mechanical solve by killing us all is a terrible idea even if i'm not "experienced in mechanical solves".

the persons i'd think should be opposing this are: nanook and carot

both of them are not.

how and why?

cause they get shot by lasers if they oppose it

I feel like people outside of us 3 only oppose it if they have one partner within us 3.

So therefore the fact that no one is opposing it besides me, Dunya, and definitely town people -- a sign that it's exactly me/Dunya or neither of us, which is something that was already fairly established.

Dont know if its estbalished, but I find it less likely that only one of you is mafia. Think its more likely both or none,

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I find it difficult to read this amount of raw emotion as anything but town though, as much as I hate being swayed by AtE. Like I genuinely believe dunya is offended that people thought she was mean enough to kill Hally N1.

I don’t see this as AI. Being offended is one of the easiest things to fake as mafia

[dunya]

my mafia game doesn't need help. i never kill new players and i still win. ;p

rawr I love it when people exude confidence like this.

Do you win by lying that you dont kill new players?

that's for you to figure out

[protocultures]

my mafia game doesn't need help. i never kill new players and i still win. ;p

rawr I love it when people exude confidence like this.

Do you win by lying that you dont kill new players?

that's for you to figure out

aww man, now I got to scum read you. I wanted to townread you as well.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Here's where I'm at. List is in order of confidence: the people at the top are the ones I'm most confident putting into that category.

Town:
Epignosis - He has an established meta that would forbid him to shoot Hally, plus the way Rej claimed a save on him makes me think he's spewed clear.
protocultures - Just consistently the most transparent player in the game. Emotion feels pure when he has it and the Epi/proto tunnel felt like genuine stubbornness on a scumread (if horribly unproductive).
dunya - As mentioned, I think her emotion today is genuine, and I think her play for most of the game has been textbook townie - solving, picking up on clues, paranoia about being manipulated.
MacDougall - there's a lot of fluff to sift through, but when he makes a post that isn't fluff, it's usually good. Interactions with Rej/Soneji clear him. Wasn't sure whether to put him or dunya higher.
sabie - looks worse than tutuu did, but I had a pretty confident townread on tutuu and sabie hasn't done anything to undermine that.

Null:
TSP - The attack on Soneji D1 bought him some towncred in my eyes, but I haven't really been able to get a grasp on him since then, he grapples with a lot of mechanical stuff which just ends up reading as NAI to me (him and proto are like the players I've mentally demarcated as "mechanical play posters" this game). If I'm wrong about my scumreads, probably he's the one I'd look at first.

Scum:
Carotenoid - really low effort shade-casting and I think the push on me is very bad. The reasons themselves for reading me scum are individually bad but the disconnect between the way they're selling their read and the way they actually act is something I can't get over. It reads to me like scum going "oh yeah, I should be scumreading/pushing alison here", but their heart's not in it becauase they know it's not a real read.

Nanook - Kind of annoyed it's D4 and he still hasn't stepped it up. Really do not like the waffly attitude wrt Carot, and I think "sabie/alison" as his PoE is just him picking two random townies to blast without really caring who goes.

You should read me closer then if you think those are two random names, lol

[dunya]

my mafia game doesn't need help. i never kill new players and i still win. ;p

rawr I love it when people exude confidence like this.

Do you win by lying that you dont kill new players?

that's for you to figure out

aww man, now I got to scum read you. I wanted to townread you as well.

in the words of nanook:

[dunya]

my poe would look like (from least to most scummy):

nanook
alison
mac
carot

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] you've really disappeared and if you're town, that just makes you likely to be a misshot. do you have time to give us a new poe, some reactions, anything?

[TonyStarkPrime]

It's hard to tell what's going on without Nutella in the thread. Proto, do you think it's likely at all that me and Dunya are both wolves? What would you put the probability at?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Awwwww RIP LC Hope to play with you again soon! If I had to pick from the remaining three of protos plan I'd say dunya is the most sketchy. I felt like from the time I came in I thought she was alien but couldn't quite figure out what it is. Her end of day push on dizzy wasn't great. Some town reads on her came from her saying oh I never would have killed hally.

I also thought carrots end of day wasn't great either. Them saying dont shoot dizzy so they could look like hey see they were town I'm good and then kinda disappearing.


Nanook its funny you don't like tutuus suspicion on allison but you also think allison is bad. You suspect me for something I can't defend or explain. Dizzy agreed with me on the points I made against you and now they're dead.

Yeh, not much you can really defend against there, sorry. If you’re town and want to we can try to find each other, just ping me and we can try to real time for a bit or something, see if we end up on the same page.

And I didn’t kill dizzy so it’s not really a fair thing to try and pin on me

Nanook, what does sabie's underlined accusation against you tell you about her?

Why do you need to "real time" for a bit to figure sabie out?

Real timing is usually how I find my best reads and/or get out of bad tunnels if I’m in one, so. That’s like asking someone why they’d read an ISO or do vca

And it tells me she didn’t really pay attention to what I was saying, nothing more nothing less.