Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

It is not a rock solid town read. But it is a town read.

[nutella]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

[Carotenoid]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

[nutella]

[mention]bronana[/mention] what do you think of carotte's continued hard defense of jovian

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

We are definitely wolves.

[bronana]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

[Carotenoid]

lolz

[MacDougall]

sloonei is mafia 99% of the time fmpov

[nutella]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

idk you also pushed ow a fair amount but you seem hesitant there and idk why

[Sloonei]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

[nutella]

if bronana was mafia the whole time im gonna be pretty mad

[nutella]

at myself mostly

[Lissa]

yeah, marcher probably not watched then

still a wolf, though

[Sloonei]

sloonei is mafia 99% of the time fmpov

I'll schedule you an eye test, bud.

[Sloonei]

mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

[bronana]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

[Lissa]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

[Sloonei]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

It is a response to the arguments you are trying to make.

[Carotenoid]

I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

[Sloonei]

I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.

[Sloonei]

Citation:

I’m not thrilled by the prospect of banishing wilgy.
I would still lean town on Marcher Jovian, though I feel like their current assessment of the game is underwhelming (I am allergic to null reads).

Let’s all talk some more about outed wolf. He’s been a suspect without there really being an in depth discussion about him at any point that I’ve noticed. I meant to ISO him earlier, but then my stomach decided to be uncooperative all day.

[Sloonei]

Are we allowed to talk about outed wolf?

[MacDougall]

mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old

[nutella]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

dunno how you got there from that bro

[Carotenoid]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

[Sloonei]

mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old

I can and would say the exact same thing to you.

[Carotenoid]

I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.

hmmn okay
Still applies to nutella though

[nutella]

hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?

[Carotenoid]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[nutella]

I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.

hmmn okay
Still applies to nutella though

i've waffled on them a bunch, there have been a lot of complicating factors in my read of them, you included

[MacDougall]

mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old

I can and would say the exact same thing to you.

but i read you fiiiiiirst

can you just sloonei town or something this is painful to me

[outed wolf]

hEy GuYs LeTs TaLk AbOuT oUtEd WoLf

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory

[Sloonei]

hEy GuYs LeTs TaLk AbOuT oUtEd WoLf

Whatcha thinking about, Mr. Wolf?

[Lissa]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

[outed wolf]

Zack what do you think of lissa

[Carotenoid]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?

What do you mean, there was lol
(Someone named Sloonei brought the topic)

[MacDougall]

uh that was spooky timing

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

it was a very limp eod. We were sitting on two wagons (wilgy vs turnip) that no one really seemed enthusiastic about, from my perspective.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?

What do you mean, there was lol
(Someone named Sloonei brought the topic)

Yes, sloonei brought it up. No one else touched it. Why?

[Lissa]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

it was a very limp eod. We were sitting on two wagons (wilgy vs turnip) that no one really seemed enthusiastic about, from my perspective.

yeah i suppose so

it was a kinda strange eod

[Carotenoid]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory

Why?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory

Why?

I'm town.

Let's talk about me. You've expressed concerns about me a few times, but I am unclear on what those exact concerns are.

[Carotenoid]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

What baffled me the most is nutella and Sloonei voting like hands in hands
Near the end they both switched to DrWilgy
When the thread was being doubtful of Turnip Head they both went hmmmn didn't think about that , Sloonei did switch his vote back and nutella stayed on DrWilgy but that was like really last minute so yikes

What do you think of DrWilgy not voting Turnip Head?

[Lissa]

frankly i've been kinda putting off more firmly sorting visor because a lot of the stuff i'm more comfortable reading him on involves like

wolf flips

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

What baffled me the most is nutella and Sloonei voting like hands in hands
Near the end they both switched to DrWilgy
When the thread was being doubtful of Turnip Head they both went hmmmn didn't think about that , Sloonei did switch his vote back and nutella stayed on DrWilgy but that was like really last minute so yikes

What do you think of DrWilgy not voting Turnip Head?

I never voted for wilgy.
I did switch to Turnip Head at the last minute on a whim. I had been on outed wolf for a long time prior to that.

[nutella]

frankly i've been kinda putting off more firmly sorting visor because a lot of the stuff i'm more comfortable reading him on involves like

wolf flips

tell me about zack

i have a deep paranoia that he's just powerwolfing here

but i don't really know if that's reasonable from meta or anything

thoughts?

[Sloonei]

Behold the most hypocritical sentence ever written on the internet:

This thread is too full of people just asking each other what they think about stuff and it is becoming a problem.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: bronana] aubergine

He is pushing this Marcher angle too hard and not acknowledging other developments. He denies that frame kills are a thing, but uses Ted's death as ammunition to solidify his own suspicion on Marcher.