Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

What's up with Soneji? 3 posts.

[Sloonei]

What's up with Soneji? 3 posts.

Idk I haven’t read them.

[nutella]

lol

[nutella]

What's up with Telemundo? 0 posts

[MacDougall]

What's up with Telemundo? 0 posts

I actually tried to vig telemundo in that game

[nutella]

What's up with Telemundo? 0 posts

I actually tried to vig telemundo in that game

I know I fucking lost it at the grocery store

[cayvie]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

I don't get the gist of this post, Sloonei. Are you saying that if this was a frame kill it was effective because it influenced bronana to suspect MJ more, or are you accusing bronana of setting up MJ? Both, neither, something else?

Random.org said the mafia was

bronana
DrWilgy
Marcher Jovian
Lissa
motobot

Even random atmospheric noise wants Jovian dead lmao.

Chaotic Evil Mafia team

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

[MacDougall]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

I don't get the gist of this post, Sloonei. Are you saying that if this was a frame kill it was effective because it influenced bronana to suspect MJ more, or are you accusing bronana of setting up MJ? Both, neither, something else?

Random.org said the mafia was

bronana
DrWilgy
Marcher Jovian
Lissa
motobot

Even random atmospheric noise wants Jovian dead lmao.

Chaotic Evil Mafia team

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

[Long Con]

@Long Con who's your top town read in this game right now?

I like bronana and Sloonei as town.

Why why?

I recall thinking bronana's posts were Civvish, I think I commented on it before. And you are just handsome.

[cayvie]

I dont actually know nutella meta
never played with them. But it seems like they are coasting a bit. doing the bare minimum to look like they are evaluating people

jsyk I am currently playing three games including this, obsessively spectating two others, and purportedly working at the same time, and even then I feel like I've done a fair bit more than the bare minimum here. whenever I've been available to do so I've been in the thread giving takes and interacting as time permits

this explains and nullifies the scum vibes i was getting from tone

yeah, i don't see the town emotion there either but im not gonna fight about it.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

@Sloonei why were you initially scum reading nutella?

this vote, at this point in the thread, is weird to me

incidentally i feel like i'm constantly thinking "i'm gonna make this observation, and then i'm gonna see 3 people make the same observation on the next page" and then nobody does. is my head just in a different place since i'm subbing in, is it culture clash, something else?

(cue 5 people voting for dunya over this post on the next page)

Okay, so, I am in a much MUCH more comfortable and resourceful position to play Mafia from.

I feel like I didn't give this game enough justice / I trolled too much, and I wanna make up for it.

I will actually reread from scratch and I will take this seriously, and do stuff to the best of my ability.

had a scum read on tutuu up to this point. I think this post means I should reevaluate from here. I think the post itself is probably less townie than I want to give it credit for but oh well

whoa, this pings me bad. the claim of having a scumread on tutuu rings false. why?

I'm honestly slightly bothered that people aren't scum reading me.

happy to help

[cayvie]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

What if I told you....

Mac is town

[cayvie]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

What if I told you....

Mac is town

i'd start from a position of mild disagreement and ask for your reasoning

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

What if I told you....

Mac is town

i'd start from a position of mild disagreement and ask for your reasoning

I can’t really provide any beyond saying “please trust me” and hope that’s enough

[MacDougall]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

cayvie cayvie cayvie why you gotta be like this

[MacDougall]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

What if I told you....

Mac is town

[cayvie]

what clicking "show posts" gets rid of the reply i'd typed up

[MacDougall]

what clicking "show posts" gets rid of the reply i'd typed up

that's good it was probably some anti-mac sentiment that needed to be never posted

[cayvie]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

cayvie cayvie cayvie why you gotta be like this

bc including yourself in a random list of potential scum is wolfy goodness

i picture mac thinking "what would a villager do" and wavering back and forth before adding 1 more to his max value field

i mean i picture that every night but this time it's relevant to the mafia game at hand

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

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Ok if wilgy flips red then I’ll submit to the RNG gods and won’t fight you on the Mac read

[MacDougall]

But Wilgy was in my RNG list too

[MacDougall]

The question is whether Mac included himself in the possible options on random.org when he ran his numbers racket.

I'm realizing that i'm probably not gonna make it thru the whole thread by EOD at this rate, so i'm gonna change tack at some point. Not RN tho, I wanna finish D1 at least. Onward!

I did include myself actually

oh ok

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

cayvie cayvie cayvie why you gotta be like this

bc including yourself in a random list of potential scum is wolfy goodness

i picture mac thinking "what would a villager do" and wavering back and forth before adding 1 more to his max value field

i mean i picture that every night but this time it's relevant to the mafia game at hand

wtf

even if i did or did not do this i could have just said either way this is such wifom can we not talk about this it feels disgusting

[cayvie]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

[Sloonei]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

Outed wolf

[Sloonei]

Mac is town because going to a random number generator for reads is silly and goofy and idgafaf and I feel like calling him town for doing it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We can talk about how wilgy’s been the counter to two town wagons and yet nobody seems to want him to die

[MacDougall]

We can talk about how wilgy’s been the counter to two town wagons and yet nobody seems to want him to die

He said I made him laugh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We can talk about how wilgy’s been the counter to two town wagons and yet nobody seems to want him to die

He said I made him laugh

Fair enough tbh

[cayvie]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

Outed wolf

gotta say i feel like i've seen quite a few scumreads on my readthru that i've felt pretty meh about. what's interesting about ow atm?

[Sloonei]

How serious was the wilgy wagon on Day 1? The case as I remember it was “the host told us to banish him.” I wasn’t around for eod so I can’t comment on what happened towards the deadline.

[Sloonei]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

Outed wolf

gotta say i feel like i've seen quite a few scumreads on my readthru that i've felt pretty meh about. what's interesting about ow atm?

A lot of people scum read him but there has been next to no chatter from or about him. He’s just there.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How serious was the wilgy wagon on Day 1? The case as I remember it was “the host told us to banish him.” I wasn’t around for eod so I can’t comment on what happened towards the deadline.

Thuper theriouth

[MacDougall]

How serious was the wilgy wagon on Day 1? The case as I remember it was “the host told us to banish him.” I wasn’t around for eod so I can’t comment on what happened towards the deadline.

i remember wilgy asking this too and nobody answering it lol

[bronana]

Zack what do you think of lissa

villager, for similar reasons as her read on me. we've agreed a lot, and frankly she is one of the only people in the game who hasn't been frustrating for me. I've thought a bit about whether it's a reverse-personalized and she's a wolf, but i don't really have any problem with her posts and meh, it's just tinfoil. this village is dysfunctional af it's hard for me to see the sane person i'm vibing with as not a villa

[MacDougall]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

Outed wolf

gotta say i feel like i've seen quite a few scumreads on my readthru that i've felt pretty meh about. what's interesting about ow atm?

A lot of people scum read him but there has been next to no chatter from or about him. He’s just there.

but he said i was locktown never rescind?

[bronana]

@bronana does the fact that tedxtr, turnip head, and marcher jovian were a triumvirate mean anything to you?

shrug

maybe with turnip head dying and marcher not in a great spot, maybe they decided to go ahead and kill ted too. takes out probably the biggest voice pushing marcher, possibly enabling them to survive longer, or worst case marcher dies anyway and so killing in that triumvirate wasn't a big deal regardless. me + others mentioned the possibility of the wolf nk avoiding their own triumvirates yesterday, and it's possible that discussion directly influenced the wolves to kill someone in a triumvirate that contained a wolf, too.

maybe it's just wifom

maybe the wolves weren't even thinking about it

it certainly doesn't exonerate marcher, if that's what you were suggesting. it doesn't particularly condemn them either, i don't really read into it that much after it was directly brought up as an item of discussion d1. wolves were surely aware people were thinking about this kind of thing.

[bronana]

"frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often


ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here


I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

dunno how you got there from that bro

I never suggested it was a frame kill. It's only a frame if marcher is a villager, and I don't think they are. Sloonei's post was fucking weird lol, it has this like assumption that marcher is villa.

[bronana]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

[cayvie]

*shrug* ok, what should we talk about?

Outed wolf

gotta say i feel like i've seen quite a few scumreads on my readthru that i've felt pretty meh about. what's interesting about ow atm?

A lot of people scum read him but there has been next to no chatter from or about him. He’s just there.

i ISO'd him and noted that he asked lissa for reads like 20 times and then didn't come to a conclusion. presumably as disappointing for him as it was for anyone. also the outburst at mac caught my eye.

i don't know what to make of the macho posing and how ironical it is intended to be.

[bronana]

Spoiler: show

am i the only person who has thought outed wolf might be some kind of 3p or neutral role

cuz yeah there's not much solving or effort there, but he's not evne making any attempt at all to be villagy. it's a weird play if he's a wolf, and he is a very good wolf and it's not like the game is going badly enough for the wolves for him to be mentally checked out (the opposite!). idk. he's playing weird.

[Sloonei]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

You made a big point about how frame kills never happen. You then seemed to cite ted's death as one of several reasons to pursue marcher today.
If marcher is town then you have just fallen for a frame kill while denying that they exist.
I think you are town. I think Marcher is town as well.

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

am i the only person who has thought outed wolf might be some kind of 3p or neutral role

cuz yeah there's not much solving or effort there, but he's not evne making any attempt at all to be villagy. it's a weird play if he's a wolf, and he is a very good wolf and it's not like the game is going badly enough for the wolves for him to be mentally checked out (the opposite!). idk. he's playing weird.

It's possible. I never really know how to distinguish between third party and mafia in my hunting. I would expect there to be an independent role in this game, and outed wolf has not contributed a whole lot to the civilian effort.

I'm gonna continue to pursue outed wolf as he's regular old mafia.

[bronana]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

You made a big point about how frame kills never happen. You then seemed to cite ted's death as one of several reasons to pursue marcher today.
If marcher is town then you have just fallen for a frame kill while denying that they exist.
I think you are town. I think Marcher is town as well.

if marcher is town, i doubt ted was killed to "frame" them. there could be a million other reasons to kill him, especially if wilgy is a wolf.

if they wanted to secure a marcher misyeet, silencing the loudest voice calling for their death was a strange move.

[Sloonei]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

You made a big point about how frame kills never happen. You then seemed to cite ted's death as one of several reasons to pursue marcher today.
If marcher is town then you have just fallen for a frame kill while denying that they exist.
I think you are town. I think Marcher is town as well.

if marcher is town, i doubt ted was killed to "frame" them. there could be a million other reasons to kill him, especially if wilgy is a wolf.

if they wanted to secure a marcher misyeet, silencing the loudest voice calling for their death was a strange move.

I don't disagree. I still think that ted was killed just because he was a strong civilian. I just felt like pointing out that you cited ted's death in your reasons to go after Marcher today after telling somebody else that frame kills aren't a thing because I'm a dick and it felt like you weren't listening to people.

What is the best reason to town read marcher?

[bronana]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

You made a big point about how frame kills never happen. You then seemed to cite ted's death as one of several reasons to pursue marcher today.
If marcher is town then you have just fallen for a frame kill while denying that they exist.
I think you are town. I think Marcher is town as well.

if marcher is town, i doubt ted was killed to "frame" them. there could be a million other reasons to kill him, especially if wilgy is a wolf.

if they wanted to secure a marcher misyeet, silencing the loudest voice calling for their death was a strange move.

I don't disagree. I still think that ted was killed just because he was a strong civilian. I just felt like pointing out that you cited ted's death in your reasons to go after Marcher today after telling somebody else that frame kills aren't a thing because I'm a dick and it felt like you weren't listening to people.

What is the best reason to town read marcher?

i mean i was specifically responding to someone saying they couldn't follow why i wanted to resolve marcher, when the reasoning seemed quite straightforward and obvious to me. I already strongly wolfread marcher. The nightkill strongly wolfread marcher. Why would I not want to resolve marcher?

[Sloonei]

so him thinking i made some sort of contradiction was just bewildering to me

You made a big point about how frame kills never happen. You then seemed to cite ted's death as one of several reasons to pursue marcher today.
If marcher is town then you have just fallen for a frame kill while denying that they exist.
I think you are town. I think Marcher is town as well.

if marcher is town, i doubt ted was killed to "frame" them. there could be a million other reasons to kill him, especially if wilgy is a wolf.

if they wanted to secure a marcher misyeet, silencing the loudest voice calling for their death was a strange move.

I don't disagree. I still think that ted was killed just because he was a strong civilian. I just felt like pointing out that you cited ted's death in your reasons to go after Marcher today after telling somebody else that frame kills aren't a thing because I'm a dick and it felt like you weren't listening to people.

What is the best reason to town read marcher?

i mean i was specifically responding to someone saying they couldn't follow why i wanted to resolve marcher, when the reasoning seemed quite straightforward and obvious to me. I already strongly wolfread marcher. The nightkill strongly wolfread marcher. Why would I not want to resolve marcher?

You're allowed to want to do that. My point wasn't to tell you not to do that. I just want to know that you're also considering other possibilities.

What is the best reason to town read marcher?

[Lissa]

Spoiler: show

am i the only person who has thought outed wolf might be some kind of 3p or neutral role

cuz yeah there's not much solving or effort there, but he's not evne making any attempt at all to be villagy. it's a weird play if he's a wolf, and he is a very good wolf and it's not like the game is going badly enough for the wolves for him to be mentally checked out (the opposite!). idk. he's playing weird.

Spoiler: show

i haven't had this specific thought, but i have been rolling around in my head that his play is weird this game and i don't really get it if he's a wolf

i suppose that could make sense

idk

[bronana]

I honestly don't know. The townreads there are inexplicable to me. They are wolfy in this game and it also lines up with their wolf meta. I have made plenty of posts about this. I could be wrong but I have no real reason to townread them.

[Lissa]

How serious was the wilgy wagon on Day 1? The case as I remember it was “the host told us to banish him.” I wasn’t around for eod so I can’t comment on what happened towards the deadline.

my impression was it was pretty much just "the host told us to banish him" but i suppose i'm also unsure how serious people were about that as an actual reason

i dunno, it was kinda strange how many people went for that to me

[Sloonei]

I honestly don't know. The townreads there are inexplicable to me. They are wolfy in this game and it also lines up with their wolf meta. I have made plenty of posts about this. I could be wrong but I have no real reason to townread them.

What's the worst post they've made in the game?