Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[TonyStarkPrime]

KZA, what would you say about this game so far?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did we banish both root vegetables day 1/day 2?

[TonyStarkPrime]

nice.

[KZA]

KZA, what would you say about this game so far?

We must defeat Jovian

[TonyStarkPrime]

KZA, what would you say about this game so far?

We must defeat Jovian

Is that all?

[bronana]

Marcher, tsp, wilgy

pew pew pew

[KZA]

KZA, what would you say about this game so far?

We must defeat Jovian

Is that all?

Yeah he's a bad dude. I miss Ted he agreed with me.

[KZA]

Tomorrow is my birthday too so I'm gonna be slanking hard this entire round lol

Lazy wolves feel free to vote for me

[TonyStarkPrime]

That's a very scummy suggestion Turnip Head

Which part?

went to sr this and then realized it was too late.

inb4 why does this post exist?: i don't know

[TonyStarkPrime]

Glory might be useful to know about because it relies on specific breakpoints so it’s good to know someone’s glory if you’re alocating hope points to them. The issue is that it might accidentally lead into people softing their roles by saying that their night action is really good or mediocre to try to influence who spends glory on them.

prescence/quickness seem less useful to know. I guess there’s utility in knowing the exact state of very close wagons, or in avoiding accidentally losing a miselim by banishing all the high-voting civilians (though claiming quickness also lets mafia target high-boting civilians for the same effect)

Hope doesn’t really seem useful to know. I guess if we decide to just claim glory and hope, knowing hope gives more information to try to deduce the rest of the stats from?

There’s also the consideration that the OP might only say the basic uses of the stats and stuff could come up later that uses them to some other end.

conclusion:
claiming p—not good
claiming q—eh
claiming g—should be considered
claiming h—eh, probably not

But yeah I don’t think stat claiming is a good idea just yet.

there's some mechanically decent stuff that stat claiming can help with, if there are any powers that can like read stats or something

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

[Sloonei]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

[TonyStarkPrime]

juliet seemed excited for me to play
tonystark too, and hes barely said a word to me
soneji at least showed the enthuisiasm I expected but he kinda just anchored and left

I am excited for you to play! but I'm kinda not excited to be playing myself. Wanna help me solve the game?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

yeah and one time he claimed joat with a doctor on a dead guy

[dunya]

Glory might be useful to know about because it relies on specific breakpoints so it’s good to know someone’s glory if you’re alocating hope points to them. The issue is that it might accidentally lead into people softing their roles by saying that their night action is really good or mediocre to try to influence who spends glory on them.

prescence/quickness seem less useful to know. I guess there’s utility in knowing the exact state of very close wagons, or in avoiding accidentally losing a miselim by banishing all the high-voting civilians (though claiming quickness also lets mafia target high-boting civilians for the same effect)

Hope doesn’t really seem useful to know. I guess if we decide to just claim glory and hope, knowing hope gives more information to try to deduce the rest of the stats from?

please god don't let this be a dumb question

how do i know what i am? o.O based on my character? like i read my role 10 times, no time does epi tell me where im assigned.

also i can buy stuff for other people? with my money? why the fuck would i do that? i'm poor, i'm barely making enough to feed myself

[dunya]

i never think roleclaiming is good unless you're about to be lynched (TH played the role claim correctly). i have no problem playing this game in closed mode.

further proof of this is i roleclaimed in a game the other day and 1 minute before i could use my day action, the scum day killed me. fuck role claiming man.

[dunya]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

yeah and one time he claimed joat with a doctor on a dead guy

r u saying moth is lying and is mafia?

[TonyStarkPrime]

i never think roleclaiming is good unless you're about to be lynched (TH played the role claim correctly). i have no problem playing this game in closed mode.

further proof of this is i roleclaimed in a game the other day and 1 minute before i could use my day action, the scum day killed me. fuck role claiming man.

this is a great story

[dunya]

i never think roleclaiming is good unless you're about to be lynched (TH played the role claim correctly). i have no problem playing this game in closed mode.

further proof of this is i roleclaimed in a game the other day and 1 minute before i could use my day action, the scum day killed me. fuck role claiming man.

this is a great story

yea, i mean i could have provided juicier context but im lazy mode

[dunya]

I am still unclear on why KZA became a town-read yesterday.

because radish said kza is town and he's played loads with kza? i never believed in these silly tells but also recent experience has me thinking maybe some things are easier and less complicated than i make them out to be.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

yeah and one time he claimed joat with a doctor on a dead guy

r u saying moth is lying and is mafia?

do you actually think that this is what I'm saying?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am still unclear on why KZA became a town-read yesterday.

because radish said kza is town and he's played loads with kza? i never believed in these silly tells but also recent experience has me thinking maybe some things are easier and less complicated than i make them out to be.

And I shifted him to town for a few townier posts. But his more recent material doesn't provide me with great confidence.

[TonyStarkPrime]

someone's gonna be like TSP ISNT DENYING THAT MOTH REDCHECEEDKD HISM HE DOSNET WANNA GET LIE DETECTED HES A OWLF any second now

[dunya]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

yeah and one time he claimed joat with a doctor on a dead guy

r u saying moth is lying and is mafia?

do you actually think that this is what I'm saying?

i wanna know why you think moth would lie and what your current read on moth is.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Actually if anyone has a power that allows them to see other's stats there are some really cool situations we can force wolves into

Moth says he checked your alignment

yeah and one time he claimed joat with a doctor on a dead guy

r u saying moth is lying and is mafia?

do you actually think that this is what I'm saying?

i wanna know why you think moth would lie and what your current read on moth is.

I'm on page ten rn. There's one post that pings me but most of it seems town aligned and I can chalk up the post that pings me to unfamiliar environment.

[cayvie]

someone's gonna be like TSP ISNT DENYING THAT MOTH REDCHECEEDKD HISM HE DOSNET WANNA GET LIE DETECTED HES A OWLF any second now

well i always vote for owlfs

also: lie detected? is that a thing around here?

[dunya]

@bronana does the fact that tedxtr, turnip head, and marcher jovian were a triumvirate mean anything to you?

shrug

maybe with turnip head dying and marcher not in a great spot, maybe they decided to go ahead and kill ted too. takes out probably the biggest voice pushing marcher, possibly enabling them to survive longer, or worst case marcher dies anyway and so killing in that triumvirate wasn't a big deal regardless. me + others mentioned the possibility of the wolf nk avoiding their own triumvirates yesterday, and it's possible that discussion directly influenced the wolves to kill someone in a triumvirate that contained a wolf, too.

maybe it's just wifom

maybe the wolves weren't even thinking about it

it certainly doesn't exonerate marcher, if that's what you were suggesting. it doesn't particularly condemn them either, i don't really read into it that much after it was directly brought up as an item of discussion d1. wolves were surely aware people were thinking about this kind of thing.

i believe that bronana believes in his suspicion of marcher. this reads super authentic and bronana has now pocketed me like ted (rip my friend)

i feel like we're taking out my best buddies, first Turnip then ted. good thing sloonei's name doesn't start with an S.

[dunya]

wow, some days i wish we still had linki.

DOESNT START WITH A T.

[dunya]

@Sloonei if you are wrong about your current reads, what does that change for you? I.e. if you were just told you you are wrong with no context, what lines of thought would you fault and what would shift?

it's questions like these that make me feel very

like, such an openended question that doesn't feel like it will offer a resolution or help wilgy specifically in anything but maybe i'm just programmed differently and maybe sloonei's amazing 12 word response shattered his world.

[cayvie]

pre-work readlist (towns at top, wolfs at bottom, in rough order)

cayvie
moth
Sloonei

dunya
nutella
Marcher Jovian
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con
bronana
DrWilgy
KZA
Lissa
outed wolf

TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall
Carotenoid

motobot - i dont think i've read a motobot post

warning TSP read is highly volatile rn watch for extreme shifts due to atmospheric conditions

[Sloonei]

someone's gonna be like TSP ISNT DENYING THAT MOTH REDCHECEEDKD HISM HE DOSNET WANNA GET LIE DETECTED HES A OWLF any second now

well i always vote for owlfs

also: lie detected? is that a thing around here?

Rarely, but people act like they’re lurking around every corner sometimes.

[dunya]

someone's gonna be like TSP ISNT DENYING THAT MOTH REDCHECEEDKD HISM HE DOSNET WANNA GET LIE DETECTED HES A OWLF any second now

well i always vote for owlfs

also: lie detected? is that a thing around here?

Rarely, but people act like they’re lurking around every corner sometimes.

who is people? i've never seen a lie detect. maybe in one game in all my recent mafia memory and i don't even think it was on the syndicate lol?

[dunya]

i cant believe moth says he has a guilty on TSP and friggin leaves the thread lol

so chaotic.

[Sloonei]

someone's gonna be like TSP ISNT DENYING THAT MOTH REDCHECEEDKD HISM HE DOSNET WANNA GET LIE DETECTED HES A OWLF any second now

well i always vote for owlfs

also: lie detected? is that a thing around here?

Rarely, but people act like they’re lurking around every corner sometimes.

who is people? i've never seen a lie detect. maybe in one game in all my recent mafia memory and i don't even think it was on the syndicate lol?

People made of straw, mostly. I dunno. I see more talk about lie detectors than I see actual lie detectors.

[dunya]

in case there is one, I AM TOWN.

[bronana]

@Sloonei if you are wrong about your current reads, what does that change for you? I.e. if you were just told you you are wrong with no context, what lines of thought would you fault and what would shift?

it's questions like these that make me feel very

like, such an openended question that doesn't feel like it will offer a resolution or help wilgy specifically in anything but maybe i'm just programmed differently and maybe sloonei's amazing 12 word response shattered his world.

a lot of wilgy's questions have felt pretty empty to me.

[dunya]

Why is ted on the voting poll

[dunya]

Voting Lissa. My gut says she's coasting. I agree with a lot of her posts because most of them aren't like original ideas. She's just playing super down low.

Yes, I am allowed to make these observations in this game.

[Sloonei]

Why is ted on the voting poll

Just an error, I assume

[dunya]

I hope Ted can be revived. I'll save all my sols and bribe the host. Isn't that how this game works? It works for every other sport tbh

[MacDougall]

Voting Lissa. My gut says she's coasting. I agree with a lot of her posts because most of them aren't like original ideas. She's just playing super down low.

Yes, I am allowed to make these observations in this game.

Hell yeah

[VOTE: lissa] aubergine

[moth]

juliet seemed excited for me to play
tonystark too, and hes barely said a word to me
soneji at least showed the enthuisiasm I expected but he kinda just anchored and left

I am excited for you to play! but I'm kinda not excited to be playing myself. Wanna help me solve the game?

[Sloonei]

Hey moth, first time caller long time listener, just wondering if your Tony claim is true. Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen.

[Sloonei]

when did like

I can't parse when nutella shifted onto/arrived at a townread on jovian at all

keep rereading her posts over and over and I'm just ????

Why was this a pressing concern to you at yesterday's deadline, lissa?

[Epignosis]

Votes for tedxtr will not count. This was an oversight.

[Lissa]

sup

[Sloonei]

Investigating those Turnip votes, and they're even weaker than I remembered them.

Spoiler: show

Actually I'll go turnip, cause some havoc

Woop swag

If you're civilian it's literally written "Civilian exile" in your card iI don't get what TUrnip is saying

what does this have to do with what turnip is saying?

"even if I flip town you won't townread me"

that's

???

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Blindly voting for turnip head, total shrug idk

leeeroy etc.

KZA's vote came relatively early and seems to have been primarily a chaos vote. Not the best. Carot seemed to have the most substantial reason of all those who ended up on TH, and I will admit that Carot's interpretation of Turnip's claim is what swayed me to TH instead of Wilgy. I have absolutely no idea why Mac or Tony chose to vote for Turnip Head. Mac had been on me because Mac is silly, and then he abandoned that and hopped on Turnip because ???. Tony never said a word about Turnip. That is blah. But does Tony do that as scum?

Long Con's vote is the one with the most meat on the bone:

Spoiler: show

I'm gonna vote for Turnip Head right now. Just a gut feel. [VOTE: My old friend] aubergine

It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town

are you claiming....3p?

Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher

But Radishes was a doctor. What's so headscratchy about that?

Pushing inactivity Wilgy right after yeeting inactivity Radishes is not the greatest.

I have no reason to oppose a wilgy vote, but I just want to comment that the lack of traction on outed wolf is confusing. If we have a consensus suspect, it’s him, and yet there seems to be a collective resistance to talking about him over the last hour.

I'd vote for him. This TH vote is feeling a little stale and wrong at this point.

Staying at this point, I don't want the Wilgy lynch.

His strong position is that "voting for wilgy is not the greatest." In the middle of all this he expresses disapproval of the TH vote as well. But then he settles on Turnip by virtue of them not being wilgy.

I can relate to this. I was not as firmly anti-wilgy-vote as LC, but I shared the sense that I was being made to choose between two options that I didn't love. But at the same time, LC was at least mildly critical of Turnip's claim in the moment, and his progression from the time of his vote to his denouncement of the wagon (without doing much in between) kind of reads like he has one foot on board the train and one foot off of it, and that is not the best look. He pushes the skeptical angle against TH when it first comes up, parks his vote there, and then denounces the wagon with only a moment to spare.

Also of note in the same post where he complains about the TH wagon is that LC is one of several people who expressed support for the idea of voting outed wolf without actually taking any steps to make that happen.


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Basically all of these votes are at least a little bit shady. Someone else can take up my vote to decide whether or not it qualifies.

Marcher's vote was no longer self-preservation by the time they cast it, but they cited negative feelings about TH's claim after casting their vote. They made absolutely no mention of wilgy or his wagon. These are the two most significant interactions Marcher and wilgy have had all game:

Spoiler: show

@DrWilgy why are you on TSP?

So I'm like 15 pages behind, and I suppose I still haven't seen nor understand the MJ wagon. Is this something I can be pointed to cleanly?

Tedxtr—has been tunneling me all game over an alleged tmi slip
Bronana—checked my meta and thought I matched the scum more than town meta
outed wolf—sheeping bronana
dunya—disliked how many nulls in my readslist, esp in context of how I treated Lissa yesterday

Marcher repeatedly listed Wilgy as one of their 200 "null" reads. I see no evidence that Marcher was attempting to read Wilgy yesterday. It is not difficult to see their vote for Turnip as a relieved and opportunistic stab at a player other than their own partner. I hate making reads that pair players together before either of them have flipped, but the complete lack of acknowledgment from Marcher about the leading wagon for much of eod2 is striking.

Mac's vote had no substance to it, but Mac is content to fart his way though a game until he has a feel for things. I don't hate it, but I can't actually call it a good vote.

Carot's vote at least feels the most legitimate, but I ultimately have to squint my eyes at it a little bit because they were ultimately pushing an angle of paranoia against a player who turned out to be 100% truthful. Carot's vote is the least concerning of the bunch, but it is not perfect either.

Tony's vote is silent but deadly.
Long Con's vote is questionable at best
KZA's vote is questionable at best, but his also comes with the caveat that he wasn't actually around for the end of the phase, so he wasn't able to react to events in real time.

This is the most compelling evidence I have found to cast a vote for Marcher Jovian.

[Sloonei]

sup

moth says tony is bad. Do you believe him?

[Lissa]

when did like

I can't parse when nutella shifted onto/arrived at a townread on jovian at all

keep rereading her posts over and over and I'm just ????

Why was this a pressing concern to you at yesterday's deadline, lissa?

i'd been staring at it/swirling it around trying to understand for a decent bit there

already had a pretty solid idea of what i wanted to do with the yeet. and i was fairly satisfied with the state of the wagons at that point, or at least what i last understood it to be

just one of those things i got caught on a bit and i was like wtf

[Sloonei]

when did like

I can't parse when nutella shifted onto/arrived at a townread on jovian at all

keep rereading her posts over and over and I'm just ????

Why was this a pressing concern to you at yesterday's deadline, lissa?

i'd been staring at it/swirling it around trying to understand for a decent bit there

already had a pretty solid idea of what i wanted to do with the yeet. and i was fairly satisfied with the state of the wagons at that point, or at least what i last understood it to be

just one of those things i got caught on a bit and i was like wtf

What was the state of the wagons at the time, and why were you satisfied with them?