Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Lissa]

sup

moth says tony is bad. Do you believe him?

i mean

it's possible he's right but i'm not particularly compelled by the claim

and i kinda just think tony's a villager

[Sloonei]

sup

moth says tony is bad. Do you believe him?

i mean

it's possible he's right but i'm not particularly compelled by the claim

and i kinda just think tony's a villager

What makes you read tony favorably?

[Lissa]

when did like

I can't parse when nutella shifted onto/arrived at a townread on jovian at all

keep rereading her posts over and over and I'm just ????

Why was this a pressing concern to you at yesterday's deadline, lissa?

i'd been staring at it/swirling it around trying to understand for a decent bit there

already had a pretty solid idea of what i wanted to do with the yeet. and i was fairly satisfied with the state of the wagons at that point, or at least what i last understood it to be

just one of those things i got caught on a bit and i was like wtf

What was the state of the wagons at the time, and why were you satisfied with them?

marcher/wilgy/turnip were comparable-sized top 3 wagons

i wanted marcher yeeted, thought wilgy was a good second wagon, and wasn't townreading turnip/actively against them being a wagon

[Sloonei]

marcher/wilgy/turnip were comparable-sized top 3 wagons

i wanted marcher yeeted, thought wilgy was a good second wagon, and wasn't townreading turnip/actively against them being a wagon

cool, cool.

What are your thoughts on the current wagons?

[Lissa]

sup

moth says tony is bad. Do you believe him?

i mean

it's possible he's right but i'm not particularly compelled by the claim

and i kinda just think tony's a villager

What makes you read tony favorably?

kinda just feel like he's not on a team? his variety of disconnectedness and scattered thought dropping/thought jumping feels honest

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No more meta assumptions, no more weird angleshooty clears. look at what people have done and what they haven't done

“No more good reads let’s just throw darts blindly”

[Lissa]

marcher/wilgy/turnip were comparable-sized top 3 wagons

i wanted marcher yeeted, thought wilgy was a good second wagon, and wasn't townreading turnip/actively against them being a wagon

cool, cool.

What are your thoughts on the current wagons?

marcher is still a super likely wolf. i haven't voted them today yet because when i was last itt they were already like a 5-3-2 wagon or something and that would've been kinda boring

nanook is a ~likely villager for sorta similar reasons to tony, brand of disconnect/pattern of thoughts within it feels real

tony see above

[Sloonei]

I'm starting to come around on Marcher now that I've looked at yesterday's votes.

Who are your secondary suspects?

at lissa

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nice finally

Well I owe it to reevaluate everything at some point

what? what's nice?

zack, where to after marcher iyo?

wilgy, soneji/cayvie, nutella

i have a strong town lean on cayvie's entrance. what about her makes you go "meh" exactly?
nutella is like lock town wyd? and even if we are gonna go there, MJ and nutella don't make sense as partners.
and wilgy is...super unoriginal.

i'm not totally sure ted having watched marcher visit tutuu makes sense with a few of his comments

but meh. could be level attempt or something on ted's part, it was all way after the original thing nutella pulled up. marcher is a wolf anyway, so like

agreed, ted several times posted "if MJ is town, he needs to be better" - that does not read as night action suspicion.

oh, people on the page below have come to the same conclusion, k.

i am honestly speechless at nutella, long con, and sloonei here

it's like we disagree on every level. those are three of my town reads. why are you speechless with LC and sloonei?

wow i read a whole page.

Proud of you <3

[outed wolf]

why is long con unvoteable

what on earth has he done to make himself worthy of that

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

since when and why do you have me as lock town @dunya

your careless attitude, you exert way more sass (sometimes snark ) in your posts when you're town. you are showing serious initiative and confidence and that townie weighing things back and forth with paranoia that i can get behind. and also...your role. i cannot fathom an epi world where removing players from the vote poll is mafia. ever.

Fwiw in covid mafia I was scum with a role that made it so one person couldn’t vote for me IIRC, and that was an Epi/Mac collaboration. So I’d say not outside the realm of possibility.

[Sloonei]

why is long con unvoteable

what on earth has he done to make himself worthy of that

It’s Canada Day.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have a guilty on tony

I unquestioningly believe you

[Sloonei]

Complaining that LC is not on the poll achieves nothing. What do you think of the names we can vote for, outed wolf?

[Lissa]

I'm starting to come around on Marcher now that I've looked at yesterday's votes.

Who are your secondary suspects?

at lissa

wilgy still hasn't really done anything behaviorally that makes me think he's a villager

long con hasn't really done anything villagery and would also fit really well with wilgy i think. really i think spending d1 on wilgy because "host told us to" in the way he did was not good/not villagery regardless of wilgy alignment, but it also feels like it could almost be tmi about wilgy if wilgy is a wolf? and he voted him because "the host told us to" but then when he was a more serious wagon, he wrote it off as a pure inactivity wagon and stayed on yeeting the claimed doctor who imo claimed in a villagery manner instead.

i'm amazed mac has posted as many times as he has. the rigidity of his fixation on wolfreading me pretty seriously stretches believability. his eod2 sucked.

[Carotenoid]

Hey [mention]Sloonei[/mention] I do not view you as an "[...] hypocrite". However, I did misunderstand your character.
I got upset by a lot of things (unrelated to you) that normally shouldn't upset me and you're the one that received this frustration unfairly. I am sorry for that. I cooled off and will let you do your thing for a while and reevaluate later. Peace.

---

Regarding your claim, I just honestly do not know what to do with it. I have literally no idea what the mechanics/roles of this game can be because I usually play with another set of roles. I feel like I'm learning to play a new game without having read the rules and as a "sequential learner" I'm definitely out of my comfort zone but whatever Unless you have something else to add, it's a piece of information sitting in my head that will probably not connect to the rest any time soon.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

wow, some days i wish we still had linki.

DOESNT START WITH A T.

It doeth if you have a lithp

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

sup

WoLfIe PoPiN

[Lissa]

[VOTE: marcher] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

[cayvie]

Hey @Sloonei I do not view you as an "[...] hypocrite". However, I did misunderstand your character.
I got upset by a lot of things (unrelated to you) that normally shouldn't upset me and you're the one that received this frustration unfairly. I am sorry for that. I cooled off and will let you do your thing for a while and reevaluate later. Peace.

---

Regarding your claim, I just honestly do not know what to do with it. I have literally no idea what the mechanics/roles of this game can be because I usually play with another set of roles. I feel like I'm learning to play a new game without having read the rules and as a "sequential learner" I'm definitely out of my comfort zone but whatever Unless you have something else to add, it's a piece of information sitting in my head that will probably not connect to the rest any time soon.

Townreading this p hard, hm. Also would be an absolutely wild post in a sloon/carot w/w universe.

Do we have majority yeet here?

[Lissa]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

[MacDougall]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

aaand?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

You’re on marcher! You’re part of the problem! I don’t understand this game!

[Lissa]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

[Lissa]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

You’re on marcher! You’re part of the problem! I don’t understand this game!

i mean. i'm also wolfreading wilgy. marcher is just more actively wolfy and their wagon should never have disappeared yesterday

cmon man

[MacDougall]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

what should it have become?

[Lissa]

I honestly don't know. The townreads there are inexplicable to me. They are wolfy in this game and it also lines up with their wolf meta. I have made plenty of posts about this. I could be wrong but I have no real reason to townread them.

What's the worst post they've made in the game?

Shitting on turnips claim then voting him, I guess.

I'm going to bed and can't bother to look more in depth

@Marcher Jovian why'd you do this?

What kind of doctor ever acts like that at eod. They're a doctor, they have a strong pr. They shouldn't be afraid of getting banished. What was up with that whole "you'll be weirded out when my role flips" act. TH was a doctor, they were highly wagoned, if they claim and live they basically force the mafia to nk them.

this is nonsense

they did claim

it's perfectly normal to be concerned about claiming a role very similar to another flipped village role

there's no particularly believable plausible deniability retained with what they said

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

You’re on marcher! You’re part of the problem! I don’t understand this game!

i mean. i'm also wolfreading wilgy. marcher is just more actively wolfy and their wagon should never have disappeared yesterday

cmon man

I mean uh

Sure but I still think wilgy should go first

[Lissa]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

what should it have become?

i mean

my issue isn't the conclusion, it's the complete lack of any actual progression, thought, etc and the staticness of the read while i'm one of the higher posters itt and have done plenty to be read off

there's zero indication you actually care about solving my alignment

[Carotenoid]

DrWilgy has not voted for Turnip Head even if their wagons were neck-to-neck and I... Don't know what to think of that?

At the beginning I thought that he just didn't care for, which pointed to him being a villager, but he *does* care since he's focusing in looking at why people were on his wagons.

So what I'm thinking now is that maybe he was just confident because his stats are good? I feel like that's not super AI so eh

[Lissa]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

You’re on marcher! You’re part of the problem! I don’t understand this game!

i mean. i'm also wolfreading wilgy. marcher is just more actively wolfy and their wagon should never have disappeared yesterday

cmon man

I mean uh

Sure but I still think wilgy should go first

and i think marcher should go first, so!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So let me get this right the wagons yesterday were wilgy and a doctor role, the doctor role died over the doctor name, and today there’s....zero interest in the player the doctor role was killed over?

K.

i don't understand it either

You’re on marcher! You’re part of the problem! I don’t understand this game!

i mean. i'm also wolfreading wilgy. marcher is just more actively wolfy and their wagon should never have disappeared yesterday

cmon man

I mean uh

Sure but I still think wilgy should go first

and i think marcher should go first, so!

I think that’s generally backwards but I’m not seriously fighting it

I’m still gonna bitch and moan and throw general shade tho

[Sloonei]

The Fate
3
13%

Voters: Marcher Jovian, Turnip Head, tedxtr

Someone else has already touched on this, but after TH was banished, that left ted and Marcher together in a weakened triumvirate. Does this mean anything to those who are confident that Marcher is bad? Would they willfully take on the complete reduction in statz by removing both members of their triumvirate within a 24 hour span? There is certainly room to read the ted kill as a gambit to produce exactly this question. What do we think?

[Sloonei]

Hey @Sloonei I do not view you as an "[...] hypocrite". However, I did misunderstand your character.
I got upset by a lot of things (unrelated to you) that normally shouldn't upset me and you're the one that received this frustration unfairly. I am sorry for that. I cooled off and will let you do your thing for a while and reevaluate later. Peace.

---

Regarding your claim, I just honestly do not know what to do with it. I have literally no idea what the mechanics/roles of this game can be because I usually play with another set of roles. I feel like I'm learning to play a new game without having read the rules and as a "sequential learner" I'm definitely out of my comfort zone but whatever Unless you have something else to add, it's a piece of information sitting in my head that will probably not connect to the rest any time soon.

This is a town post.

I could share more information about my role, but I don't think it would be advantageous at this time. The extent of my claim is that I have a non-killing ability which I targeted tutuu with on Night 1. Do you believe me when I say this?

[MacDougall]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

what should it have become?

i mean

my issue isn't the conclusion, it's the complete lack of any actual progression, thought, etc and the staticness of the read while i'm one of the higher posters itt and have done plenty to be read off

there's zero indication you actually care about solving my alignment

where should i vote?

[Lissa]

The Fate
3
13%

Voters: Marcher Jovian, Turnip Head, tedxtr

Someone else has already touched on this, but after TH was banished, that left ted and Marcher together in a weakened triumvirate. Does this mean anything to those who are confident that Marcher is bad? Would they willfully take on the complete reduction in statz by removing both members of their triumvirate within a 24 hour span? There is certainly room to read the ted kill as a gambit to produce exactly this question. What do we think?

i don't think it's completely not worth thinking about in a more general sense, but i have a strong enough read on marcher's posts that it doesn't really move the needle for me here

maybe intentional level, maybe they felt it was worth tradeoff of removing a loud voice wanting to kill marcher/felt marcher's lifespan was not long anyway and particularly so with ted left alive, maybe marcher is just a weak role they don't care much about not getting to use, maybe some combination of those things, maybe something else

[Lissa]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

what should it have become?

i mean

my issue isn't the conclusion, it's the complete lack of any actual progression, thought, etc and the staticness of the read while i'm one of the higher posters itt and have done plenty to be read off

there's zero indication you actually care about solving my alignment

where should i vote?

marcher

wilgy is also ~acceptable

also you're dodging making any meaningful response to my actual issue with you

[MacDougall]

mac how has your read of me progressed literally zero in three days? it's truly impressive

what should it have become?

i mean

my issue isn't the conclusion, it's the complete lack of any actual progression, thought, etc and the staticness of the read while i'm one of the higher posters itt and have done plenty to be read off

there's zero indication you actually care about solving my alignment

where should i vote?

marcher

wilgy is also ~acceptable

also you're dodging making any meaningful response to my actual issue with you

good observation

[MacDougall]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

[Carotenoid]

I could share more information about my role, but I don't think it would be advantageous at this time. The extent of my claim is that I have a non-killing ability which I targeted tutuu with on Night 1. Do you believe me when I say this?

I don't know. I just... acknowledge it's a thing you said.

[Sloonei]

I could share more information about my role, but I don't think it would be advantageous at this time. The extent of my claim is that I have a non-killing ability which I targeted tutuu with on Night 1. Do you believe me when I say this?

I don't know. I just... acknowledge it's a thing you said.

It certainly is.

What are your thoughts on wilgy and marcher? Is there another wagon we should be considering in addition to/instead of them?

[Lissa]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

[MacDougall]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

me? since when?

[Sloonei]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

besides motobot, who's the player you have the weakest read on?

[MacDougall]

The Fate
3
13%

Voters: Marcher Jovian, Turnip Head, tedxtr

Someone else has already touched on this, but after TH was banished, that left ted and Marcher together in a weakened triumvirate. Does this mean anything to those who are confident that Marcher is bad? Would they willfully take on the complete reduction in statz by removing both members of their triumvirate within a 24 hour span? There is certainly room to read the ted kill as a gambit to produce exactly this question. What do we think?

Are you serious? This is the wifomiest thing ever. God you are so not town.

[Sloonei]

The Fate
3
13%

Voters: Marcher Jovian, Turnip Head, tedxtr

Someone else has already touched on this, but after TH was banished, that left ted and Marcher together in a weakened triumvirate. Does this mean anything to those who are confident that Marcher is bad? Would they willfully take on the complete reduction in statz by removing both members of their triumvirate within a 24 hour span? There is certainly room to read the ted kill as a gambit to produce exactly this question. What do we think?

Are you serious? This is the wifomiest thing ever. God you are so not town.

I'm literally just asking a question.

[Lissa]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

me? since when?

i mean

i've increasingly had an issue with your static read on me for some time, i don't think this should be particularly new or a surprise

and your eod2 sucked

[MacDougall]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

me? since when?

i mean

i've increasingly had an issue with your static read on me for some time, i don't think this should be particularly new or a surprise

and your eod2 sucked

It was at least not as bad as like 3 other peoples

[Sloonei]

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

my other wolfreads are either you or not mechanically on the table today, so not really!

me? since when?

i mean

i've increasingly had an issue with your static read on me for some time, i don't think this should be particularly new or a surprise

and your eod2 sucked

It was at least not as bad as like 3 other peoples

I agree with this, for what it's worth.