dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:00 am
anything i say will be considered "emotional manipulation" so i wont even begin talking about whether or not i kill sabie in this game.
apparently, nutella has figured the game out and i am lock-scum with very compelling reasons to kill hally. i don't know what those reasons are, but neither has anyone else questioned her on that point, so i won't either cos my "emotional manipulation" makes her sick and she'd rather i stop posting itt.
feel free to iso me after eod and figure shit out.
putting on my "I'm playing a game hat" - this feels like emotional manipulation.
Putting on my "I'm a human hat" - Nutella only made the comment in relation to "in game" so please dont be upset.
i'm not upset from nutella. i'm saying the person with the gun is saying i'm1000000000000000% lock scum and she isn't changing her mind no matter what (and this has been a broken record since day 1) and wants to end day early cos she's so fucking sure - well, that's discouraging to a town dunya who's seriously exhausted. what do you want me to do, exactly?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 pm
I mean, to Proto: I would bet harder on you and Epi being unaligned than I'd bet on any other pair.
Actually I would bet super hard on Proto and Epi being the same alignment :P
I assume you meant "I would bet harder that these two aren't the scum team", which I agree with.
I like this logic a lot because it's what I think people who aren't Epi or me should think. On top of this I know Alison and I often have the same thoughts on things.
i'm 100% serious, i want to be shot today and not be the missfire that costs us the game.
sometimes townies gotta self sacrifice. in this setup, it's imperative. nutella's suspicion of me is never going away. you have more than enough content to hunt for scum and make sound strategies. i only have 1 bunker save left, so it's not a huge loss anyway.
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:11 pm
Its like frustration or paranoia or anger. I dont know. I dont understand why you would be angry.
before i respond, i am not at all angry. don't know how you thought it's anger, sorry if it came across like that!
i am definitely paranoid of you pocketing us. the ridiculous kill dizzyxdunyaxtonyxme plan, your insistence that aliens were in there, and then this push of mac instead of sabie who i can actively scum read as an alien partner to anyone else in the game definitely made me reasses. i gave you an easy pass because you seem genuinely mechanically solving, but mechanical solves don't tell me much about your agenda in the same way as player pushes go. and you've admitted to nanook on numerous occasions that you are still within your wolf meta.
i took you for granted being town, but i don't want to do that, i've decided.
I don't buy this case on proto. His posts are just super pure, even if you disagree with them (like the dizzy/dunya/tony/proto plan) and I think he just genuinely believes in them. I can connect with what he's saying on a lot of levels and I've had like a low level of mindmeld with him all game. Not in the sense that our reads are the same, but we're running on the same wavelength and thinking in the same processes (if that makes sense). I don't believe scum proto can simulate a mindmeld to that degree so consistently.
Doesn't it make you more suspicious of Dunya? If you assume that they could shoot Hally, how do you feel about a Dunya shot today?
i used my third bunker save on sabie, because i didn't want her to be night killed when she'd just replaced in like hally.
i was -this- close to using it on her again n4, but i thought i'd leave it for nutella. lol. sorry [mention]sabie12[/mention] you're awesome, the aliens are just terrified of you. please play with us soon.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:19 pm
i think it's exactly dunya/carot or they are both town
I don't understand this read at all
like if dunya is town, carot is also town...?
if carot is town, that somehow makes your suspicion of dunya for not reading you properly go away?
Agree with Alison's line of questioning here again. It's always why and justify. Not really AI to ask those questions though. Just the standard of DD I expect from Alison.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:19 am
i used my third bunker save on sabie, because i didn't want her to be night killed when she'd just replaced in like hally.
i was -this- close to using it on her again n4, but i thought i'd leave it for nutella. lol. sorry @sabie12 you're awesome, the aliens are just terrified of you. please play with us soon.
You what now?
Please list all nights and who you saved each night.
shooting me today is the only chance town has at winning this game. i should have conceded to this fate before nanook was shot knowing i'm up against a tunnel-visioned nutella, but eh, i'm selfish and enjoy playing sometimes.
don't leave me around so aliens can manipulate nutella into shooting me when we don't have any misfires left. i refuse that to happen.
Did Nutella ask you to save them in night 1 and night 2 back to back? Can't track it in my head anymore.
Why did you think Sabie would die as a sub after the whole discussions in thread about why it was uncool to kill Hally.
I'm like discounting some partners with your claimed saves here because this is such a weird claim to make. Not sure if you would check in with your partner before making these save claims though.
i wanna take mac out of my poe for being a total ass to epi, but i don't know if he's not capable of doing that as an alien. and he felt super guilty after, so that could cut both ways.
my poe from biggest to least biggest suspects is
alison
tsp
mac (because of his dick move which should not be ai, but here we are)
i'm gonna take carot out my poe, for reasons i don't even want to explain. just feeling really good about her this phase.
i'm not even gonna try to convince myself or the thread it's proto anymore. the tinfoil existed, he claims i pocketed him which is laughable as he's spent the majority of the game wanting to shoot my head off, but still. the decision to shoot nutella n2 is only conceivable if we believe tony and proto are aliens.
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:41 am
Did Nutella ask you to save them in night 1 and night 2 back to back? Can't track it in my head anymore.
Why did you think Sabie would die as a sub after the whole discussions in thread about why it was uncool to kill Hally.
i'm sorry, but who agreed it was "uncool" to kill hally? this a mafia game, and i don't fault anyone for killing hally or any other player on n1. my choice of not killing new players night 1 is not a rule or law, it's just a personal choice. i wanted to ensure she saw another day because she hasn't played for a while and she was a lock-town read for me.
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:11 pm
Its like frustration or paranoia or anger. I dont know. I dont understand why you would be angry.
before i respond, i am not at all angry. don't know how you thought it's anger, sorry if it came across like that!
i am definitely paranoid of you pocketing us. the ridiculous kill dizzyxdunyaxtonyxme plan, your insistence that aliens were in there, and then this push of mac instead of sabie who i can actively scum read as an alien partner to anyone else in the game definitely made me reasses. i gave you an easy pass because you seem genuinely mechanically solving, but mechanical solves don't tell me much about your agenda in the same way as player pushes go. and you've admitted to nanook on numerous occasions that you are still within your wolf meta.
i took you for granted being town, but i don't want to do that, i've decided.
I don't buy this case on proto. His posts are just super pure, even if you disagree with them (like the dizzy/dunya/tony/proto plan) and I think he just genuinely believes in them. I can connect with what he's saying on a lot of levels and I've had like a low level of mindmeld with him all game. Not in the sense that our reads are the same, but we're running on the same wavelength and thinking in the same processes (if that makes sense). I don't believe scum proto can simulate a mindmeld to that degree so consistently.
Doesn't it make you more suspicious of Dunya? If you assume that they could shoot Hally, how do you feel about a Dunya shot today?
I'm against shooting someone I townread when Carot and TSP are both still alive lol
"I think dunya is wrong and proto is actually town" =/= "dunya is scum". Dunya can be wrong and town as well (which is why I was asking Mac about why he thinks she's scum just beacuse she reads him as scum).
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
i'm saying people lose control of their temper sometimes. i've done it before too when provoked as town or mafia (granted, not to the extent of mac but still). something in epi's behavior provoked him and he reacted. it doesn't lock him as town or alien imo.
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:11 pm
Its like frustration or paranoia or anger. I dont know. I dont understand why you would be angry.
before i respond, i am not at all angry. don't know how you thought it's anger, sorry if it came across like that!
i am definitely paranoid of you pocketing us. the ridiculous kill dizzyxdunyaxtonyxme plan, your insistence that aliens were in there, and then this push of mac instead of sabie who i can actively scum read as an alien partner to anyone else in the game definitely made me reasses. i gave you an easy pass because you seem genuinely mechanically solving, but mechanical solves don't tell me much about your agenda in the same way as player pushes go. and you've admitted to nanook on numerous occasions that you are still within your wolf meta.
i took you for granted being town, but i don't want to do that, i've decided.
I don't buy this case on proto. His posts are just super pure, even if you disagree with them (like the dizzy/dunya/tony/proto plan) and I think he just genuinely believes in them. I can connect with what he's saying on a lot of levels and I've had like a low level of mindmeld with him all game. Not in the sense that our reads are the same, but we're running on the same wavelength and thinking in the same processes (if that makes sense). I don't believe scum proto can simulate a mindmeld to that degree so consistently.
Doesn't it make you more suspicious of Dunya? If you assume that they could shoot Hally, how do you feel about a Dunya shot today?
I'm against shooting someone I townread when Carot and TSP are both still alive lol
"I think dunya is wrong and proto is actually town" =/= "dunya is scum". Dunya can be wrong and town as well (which is why I was asking Mac about why he thinks she's scum just beacuse she reads him as scum).
Got you. "I don't buy" doesn't mean you don't believe that's Dunyas honest belief, you just disagree with their conclusion
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:49 am
i'm saying people lose control of their temper sometimes. i've done it before too when provoked as town or mafia (granted, not to the extent of mac but still). something in epi's behavior provoked him and he reacted. it doesn't lock him as town or alien imo.
If that's within Mac's mafia range I'll respect their mafia play more but less as a person.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:49 am
i'm saying people lose control of their temper sometimes. i've done it before too when provoked as town or mafia (granted, not to the extent of mac but still). something in epi's behavior provoked him and he reacted. it doesn't lock him as town or alien imo.
If that's within Mac's mafia range I'll respect their mafia play more but less as a person.
if you're all sure mac is town, then shoot alison and tsp after me.
also i totally respect mac and appreciate he was able to realize when he was wrong and make a heartfelt apology. let's not slight someone for a mistake made in the heat of the moment.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:31 am
shooting me today is the only chance town has at winning this game. i should have conceded to this fate before nanook was shot knowing i'm up against a tunnel-visioned nutella, but eh, i'm selfish and enjoy playing sometimes.
don't leave me around so aliens can manipulate nutella into shooting me when we don't have any misfires left. i refuse that to happen.
This doesn't track in my mind. You think we have one misfire left so you want it to be on you first???
What info dies town get on you flipping town from your pov?
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:49 am
i'm saying people lose control of their temper sometimes. i've done it before too when provoked as town or mafia (granted, not to the extent of mac but still). something in epi's behavior provoked him and he reacted. it doesn't lock him as town or alien imo.
If that's within Mac's mafia range I'll respect their mafia play more but less as a person.
if you're all sure mac is town, then shoot alison and tsp after me.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:49 am
i'm saying people lose control of their temper sometimes. i've done it before too when provoked as town or mafia (granted, not to the extent of mac but still). something in epi's behavior provoked him and he reacted. it doesn't lock him as town or alien imo.
If that's within Mac's mafia range I'll respect their mafia play more but less as a person.
if you're all sure mac is town, then shoot alison and tsp after me.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:31 am
shooting me today is the only chance town has at winning this game. i should have conceded to this fate before nanook was shot knowing i'm up against a tunnel-visioned nutella, but eh, i'm selfish and enjoy playing sometimes.
don't leave me around so aliens can manipulate nutella into shooting me when we don't have any misfires left. i refuse that to happen.
This doesn't track in my mind. You think we have one misfire left so you want it to be on you first???
What info dies town get on you flipping town from your pov?
YES. IT'S ESSENTIAL because nutella moves on.
that's worth a lot. she's an excellent townie and mafia hunter, don't worry. she got this.
Also carotenoid says it's essential to hit alien before night 6. I haven't checked but let's assume that's true. Would prefer you fight as town to convince Nutella.
One of the first thing that happened post-Hally flip is dunya and Epignosis being cleared for never killing Hally n1. I thought it was consensus, I do not understand why dunya is being suspected for exactly this reason? It seems silly and I don't get it.
I always believe these kind of claims because if you lie, you're basically setting yourself to never be trusted ever again in a game and I don't think anyone would have fun playing in these conditions. Maybe I'm just being naive but I believe dunya, Epignosis & MacDougall when they say they wouldn't have killed Hally.
Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:21 am
Also carotenoid says it's essential to hit alien before night 6. I haven't checked but let's assume that's true.
Yeah, we won't pass through another even night with 2 kills
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:32 am
Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.
It doesn't clear you or epi imo. Not mechanically.
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:32 am
Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.
It doesn't clear you or epi imo. Not mechanically.
I know what you mean, but this is not a math game that will end up having a defined conclusion. Either you believe me, either you don't.
* 3 persons were protecting nutella : sabie, Epignosis and proto. Sabie was a bunker. Epignosis and protocultures are never both aliens.
Someone died. So, if they did target nutella, it wasn't with 2 kills, which just never happens.
So, either
* They double stacked on sabie
* Someone saved the kill
Double stacking on a bunker also just never happens because it's just dumb. So I feel very comfortable saying I saved Epignosis and you should clear both of us.
I'm not gonna try much harder because I think that some things (like dunya being a bunker) are crystal clear in my opinion and we're just getting worked up for nothing.
Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though. Makes you potentially mafia. It's why I can't clear you mechanically although it's a net positive for you I guess. Slightly
Someone else could have also saved, not declared it, and trapped you and now we have a 50/50. Not seeing any claims to that effect though
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:01 am
My PoE is:
why is mac lock-clear town for you?
not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.
You could also be town who actually saved epi and aliens still just split into Sabie and Nutella.
I agree your conclusion about epi and me never being w/w is good now since Sabie is confirmed town. You could argue technically we can and just were paranoid about another I requested bunker saving Nutella so so didn't double stack Nutella but that's a stretch imo.
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:01 am
Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.
No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.
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Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.