I'm pretty sure it's TSP/Alison but I'll look into TSP/Proto and Alison/Proto just in case
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:15 pm
hey MacDougall never confirmed his save
I think that if TSP was town he would have been shot to frame Mac
I have an opinion about these posts.
You were around when carotenoid pushed to clear epi from the night saves. Didn't immediately claim your save.
By breaking chain you don't allow us to clear epi and widen POE. We are in a bad spot. We chained to reduce POE. We needed to pick a world and live in it. That world was epi is town. We spent an asston of bunkers to achieve this. I mean the chain was also to keep everyone alive for a chance at another ML but a benefit was to near mechanically clear epi.
I just think you are an alien or you semi threw as town and can't blame us for wanting to laser you.
This feels a little like a crumble on day 6 as either alignment.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:52 pm
It ~somewhat~ bothers me that you didn't stop to consider that a scumteam with Epi probably tries to shoot at Nutella but I understand your reasoning. No need to reveal it.
Great opportunity to reveal you saved Nutella. You didn't.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:52 pm
It ~somewhat~ bothers me that you didn't stop to consider that a scumteam with Epi probably tries to shoot at Nutella but I understand your reasoning. No need to reveal it.
I hard cleared epi in my head. Otherwise I dont even float my chain plan where only epi is supposed to be on Nutella.
if I have any doubt, I dont allow that to become a thing. Or I fight against it if someone else floats it. I would drown the thread in posts until Nutella tells me to shut up and that she isnt doing it anymore.
I am not considering any scum team with Epi.
it also bothers me that you think I should be considering it from my pov.
Oh, I understand what you are saying now.
If that were true, I would have said something so others dont clear Epi.
TSP is asking whether I saved Nutella at night. I'm answering no. Another great opportunity for TSP to out his claim
unless:
epi doesnt trust that everyone will follow the plan
epi and team are kinda sick and prefer to win through ML
I mean, on that basis I guess you can put Epi and me in a world again.
what evidence that you have that epi didn't blast nutella last night
the earlier posts today.
Carotenoid obv didnt save Nutella since they wanted to clear Epi from being the single saver.
I agreed with clearing Epi (for non pendants) and I would not do that if I had actually saved Nutella last night.
Nobody else is saying they saved Nutella last night. If they did and havent said, they are kinda throwing.
unless:
epi doesnt trust that everyone will follow the plan
epi and team are kinda sick and prefer to win through ML
I mean, on that basis I guess you can put Epi and me in a world again.
what evidence that you have that epi didn't blast nutella last night
the earlier posts today.
Carotenoid obv didnt save Nutella since they wanted to clear Epi from being the single saver.
I agreed with clearing Epi (for non pendants) and I would not do that if I had actually saved Nutella last night.
Nobody else is saying they saved Nutella last night. If they did and havent said, they are kinda throwing.
hold on I have a post that will highlight hypocrisy
Urgh so TSP breadcrumbed this. I didn't get their point at the time they posted.
Is this a reaction check from TSP onto me by delaying his claimed save?
If yes, it indicates TSP didn't fabricate his claimed save into nutella just to take epi out of POE near mechanically
unless:
epi doesnt trust that everyone will follow the plan
epi and team are kinda sick and prefer to win through ML
I mean, on that basis I guess you can put Epi and me in a world again.
what evidence that you have that epi didn't blast nutella last night
the earlier posts today.
Carotenoid obv didnt save Nutella since they wanted to clear Epi from being the single saver.
I agreed with clearing Epi (for non pendants) and I would not do that if I had actually saved Nutella last night.
Nobody else is saying they saved Nutella last night. If they did and havent said, they are kinda throwing.
hold on I have a post that will highlight hypocrisy
Urgh so TSP breadcrumbed this. I didn't get their point at the time they posted.
Is this a reaction check from TSP onto me by delaying his claimed save?
If yes, it indicates TSP didn't fabricate his claimed save into nutella just to take epi out of POE near mechanically
The evidence that it's real is that I start the day by assuming that Epi is possible scum and additionally that nutella was shot. It's clear that I assumed that this was a possibility immediately. Withholding this information for 20 minutes of a day phase is insignificant.
this is such an arbitrary fake claim if I'm scum with anyone who's not exactly alison. If I'm scum with alison, maybe? It's necessary? Then we probably shoot carot if I'm planning to do this.
This isn't the same as the carotenoid claim because in this instance there was no autonomy in the saves.
The chain was requested by Nutella
You didn't argue against the chain previously. Meaning you had to have intended to break the chain going into the night instead of arguing against the chain.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:52 am
this is such an arbitrary fake claim if I'm scum with anyone who's not exactly alison. If I'm scum with alison, maybe? It's necessary? Then we probably shoot carot if I'm planning to do this.
You can fake this if you are partners with
Mac, carotenoid, Alison.
protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:53 am
This isn't the same as the carotenoid claim because in this instance there was no autonomy in the saves.
The chain was requested by Nutella
You didn't argue against the chain previously. Meaning you had to have intended to break the chain going into the night instead of arguing against the chain.
Does town TSP do this? I have no idea.
You have properly gone rogue here.
As soon as I saw the chain I sent in a protection on nutella. I guess I'm not going to shake off a reputation for FPS any time soon.
Per the previous arguments about time stamps, if I had a note from 5 pm thursday or whatever signalling my intention to doctor nutella and then I posted it now, that would clearly be OGI and I would hope I would get modkilled for that. So I hope that settles it.
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
If you're going to have a protection plan, please announce it before 6am in Singapore, 2 hours before SoD, or I won't be able to follow it. I protected proto last night.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
If you're partners with Carot and you kill me, Carot is incredibly unlikely to win the endgame because she's basically exposed as scum once I flip.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
If you're partners with Carot and you kill me, Carot is incredibly unlikely to win the endgame because she's basically exposed as scum once I flip.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
OR
You dump KP into Nutella, no kill to keep POE wide and make a fake claim to push epi and all their combos to get out of a 50/50 hit into mafia day 6.
alison's death tunnel on carot still concerns me, for what it's worth. it's one of those things that just feels townish. notable that the way this game is structred makes that different, but I think wolves would still play in line with custom.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
If you're partners with Carot and you kill me, Carot is incredibly unlikely to win the endgame because she's basically exposed as scum once I flip.
you jumped into the action incredibly late here.
Yes, because I was away. The SoD happened very early my time and I just woke up. Do you think I am the kind of player that intends to win endgames by slanking and hoping people forget about her?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
OR
You dump KP into Nutella, no kill to keep POE wide and make a fake claim to push epi and all their combos to get out of a 50/50 hit into mafia day 6.
I'd have to be a pretty ambitious alien to try to get /Epi/ lasered, no?
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
If you're partners with Carot and you kill me, Carot is incredibly unlikely to win the endgame because she's basically exposed as scum once I flip.
you jumped into the action incredibly late here.
Yes, because I was away. The SoD happened very early my time and I just woke up. Do you think I am the kind of player that intends to win endgames by slanking and hoping people forget about her?
I mean are you?
though by incredibly late I mean you didn't do any catch up posts, not time wise.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
OR
You dump KP into Nutella, no kill to keep POE wide and make a fake claim to push epi and all their combos to get out of a 50/50 hit into mafia day 6.
I'd have to be a pretty ambitious alien to try to get /Epi/ lasered, no?
If you feel stuck in a situation where there's 2 mafia within a POE of 4 for Nutella, this. THIS exact breadcrumbed claim. Is what I expect from mafia TSP.
I'm just going to consider Epi mechanically cleared for now unless someone claims a save on nutella, since I think any team with Epi in it just shoots nutella owing to the decision to have a protection chain where Epi was her only defender.
If proto is town (which is the most likely scenario), the teams are Carot/TSP, Carot/Mac or Mac/TSP. The Carot thing is most likely to me but I guess we're at the point in the game where I should be tinfoiling Mac/TSP.
@TSP yes I haven't done any catch up yet, they're a pain to do on phone, give me a bit
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
OR
You dump KP into Nutella, no kill to keep POE wide and make a fake claim to push epi and all their combos to get out of a 50/50 hit into mafia day 6.
I'd have to be a pretty ambitious alien to try to get /Epi/ lasered, no?
If you feel stuck in a situation where there's 2 mafia within a POE of 4 for Nutella, this. THIS exact breadcrumbed claim. Is what I expect from mafia TSP.
Am I giving too much respect to mafia TSP?
Someone else needs to tell me.
I'm very good at being mafia tbh. But no, I wouldn't feel stuck in a situation where there are 2 mafia within a poe of 4. and town can't miss. And I can expand the poe to proto anyways without a fake claim.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:09 amI'm just going to consider Epi mechanically cleared for now unless someone claims a save on nutella, since I think any team with Epi in it just shoots nutella owing to the decision to have a protection chain where Epi was her only defender.
If proto is town (which is the most likely scenario), the teams are Carot/TSP, Carot/Mac or Mac/TSP. The Carot thing is most likely to me but I guess we're at the point in the game where I should be tinfoiling Mac/TSP.
@TSP yes I haven't done any catch up yet, they're a pain to do on phone, give me a bit
you literally responded to a post where we were talking about this
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:09 amI'm just going to consider Epi mechanically cleared for now unless someone claims a save on nutella, since I think any team with Epi in it just shoots nutella owing to the decision to have a protection chain where Epi was her only defender.
If proto is town (which is the most likely scenario), the teams are Carot/TSP, Carot/Mac or Mac/TSP. The Carot thing is most likely to me but I guess we're at the point in the game where I should be tinfoiling Mac/TSP.
@TSP yes I haven't done any catch up yet, they're a pain to do on phone, give me a bit
you literally responded to a post where we were talking about this
I'm sorry? Did you claim a save on nutella and I missed it?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:09 amI'm just going to consider Epi mechanically cleared for now unless someone claims a save on nutella, since I think any team with Epi in it just shoots nutella owing to the decision to have a protection chain where Epi was her only defender.
If proto is town (which is the most likely scenario), the teams are Carot/TSP, Carot/Mac or Mac/TSP. The Carot thing is most likely to me but I guess we're at the point in the game where I should be tinfoiling Mac/TSP.
@TSP yes I haven't done any catch up yet, they're a pain to do on phone, give me a bit
you literally responded to a post where we were talking about this
I'm sorry? Did you claim a save on nutella and I missed it?
yes, don’t worry about it though. Though. Do worry about it. I have a thought. Anyways,
I went back and read this whole "proto challenges TSP's claim" thing and unless proto has scum theater skills beyond the ken of man and an irrational desire to bus his teammate during endgame I think I can strike proto/TSP off the list.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:59 am
If I'm partners with Mac we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Carot. Mac wins.
If I'm partners with Carot we shoot Alison. I do everything I can to paint myself w/w with Mac. Carot might win but it's a little closer.
Neither of these plans involve anything close to claiming a fake action that does nothing but put arbitrary suspicion on Epi.
OR
You dump KP into Nutella, no kill to keep POE wide and make a fake claim to push epi and all their combos to get out of a 50/50 hit into mafia day 6.
I'd have to be a pretty ambitious alien to try to get /Epi/ lasered, no?
If you feel stuck in a situation where there's 2 mafia within a POE of 4 for Nutella, this. THIS exact breadcrumbed claim. Is what I expect from mafia TSP.
Am I giving too much respect to mafia TSP?
Someone else needs to tell me.
I'm very good at being mafia tbh. But no, I wouldn't feel stuck in a situation where there are 2 mafia within a poe of 4. and town can't miss. And I can expand the poe to proto anyways without a fake claim.
You can't put me into POE.
This chain I thought we all agreed yesterday implicitly has me protecting Nutella solo tomorrow.
