Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Alison]

Why Tony?

[Long Con]

Why Tony?

I don't think he's the type to fake claim that right after Hally, and the claims after his help me believe his.

[Alison]

Is there a specific reason why you don't think Tony would fake claim Miller after Hally made her claim, or is it a general gut feeling of "I don't think Tony makes that play here as scum"?

[Long Con]

General

[Jackofhearts2005]

In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

[Epignosis]

You must be new here.

Nanook isn't getting removed Day 1 even if he is bad.

Why not?

I've never seen it happen.

[Epignosis]

^

@Epignosis
talk to me about this Nanook meta you have
Why doesn't he die day 1?

[Epignosis]

Note that we need to remain in a state of high urgency at all times. Jack is a host from the HC Realms tree, and that means we cannot trust conventional assumptions about how alignments may be distributed. When I see 15 players, I tend to assume 12 vs. 3 is the most standard. With Jack though, I will not count out 11 vs. 4 or even 10 vs. 5 (with potential independent involvement too). It depends upon the arrangements of the roles he has decided to feature.

The point is that we cannot fart around in a Jack game. Play hard at all times or suffer the consequences.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s happened it’s just

Rare. Usually if I get miskilled it’s later in the game

[Epignosis]

still think the raised hand is townie points for Con, but I am interested in if that translates into his posts as well

@Epignosis
in regards to Nanook again, he is a big boy, if he has time to mock me by calling me Chad, then he has time to do stuff on day 1, instead of sitting behind this meta that is honestly completely NAI for him

still want you to tell me about his meta for your POV though

Raised hand? Chad?

[sabie12]

In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.


Other random things I got from a quick read through I lm glad nanook is saying he's just going to enjoy the game I know we just talked about that the other day. I have not played a game with daisy in a long time so nice to see you again!
There's a couple newer people I don't know as well so it may take me a little longer to get reads on them. Day 1 reads are tough as it is.


Sidenote: I'm just letting you all know tomorrow I have to travel and I have a couple important medical appointments so I may be in and out. I should be available here and there and later on in the day. Send positive vibes my way for all good results!

[Long Con]

Epi: 100% agree with both those mullets.

[Long Con]

In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.

What's maple street?

I love this idea, but the way to do it is one mafia and several millers.

[Epignosis]

What are you referring to regarding the "raised hand" Wisp?

I asked people to raise their hand, aka type o/ if they are town
and Con responded almost immediately
wolves more or less avoid these posts usually, or respond with the wrong answer

like I said, I will see how it translate into his posts though

Wait wait wait...

0/

That's all it takes to find mafia to you?

See who types a zero and a slash?

And how does anyone respond with the wrong answer? Use a bracket?

0]

Spoiler: show

[sabie12]

In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

I was just going to say it would be funny if jack created a game that was just all town. It would be like a monsters are due on maple street type deal. Jack is the only real mafia making us all turn on each other.

What's maple street?

I love this idea, but the way to do it is one mafia and several millers.

An episode of twilight zone where all this weird stuff happens lights flickering and cars not starting then starting by themselves. Then everyone in town starts turning on each other like thinking they're all aliens when none of them are.
The real aliens were watching from afar as the humans all fall apart. It's an interesting concept.

[Epignosis]

i will say though, for someone that claims to not care how people read you, you... seem to care quite a bit from how you react to suspiscion

Hally, Nanook. Nanook, Hally.

[Epignosis]

I hard claim miller too by the way. Not a joke claim. I'm serious.

This is starting to look like Scirrus' lunchbox.

[Epignosis]

Alison has a 23 posts to 0 instances of the word "pure" ratio.

There's a civilian right there.

[sprityo]

I dont think hally made that weird gimmick i just said that quick so TSP can have my vote

[VOTE: tony] aubergine

Why Tony among the millers?

I forgot who said it third, but I’m just going on a limb here and point my finger at tony

[sprityo]

I dont think hally made that weird gimmick i just said that quick so TSP can have my vote

[VOTE: tony] aubergine

Why Tony among the millers?

I forgot who said it third, but I’m just going on a limb here and point my finger at tony

[sprityo]

Epignosis is a civilian for shitting in my cereal when I wasn't here yet.

Hally is a civilian for being the first miller claim and for displaying ~[the energy]~

Wisp is a civilian for ordering me to vote for a dude before I determined I agreed with him.

sabie12 is a civilian for acknowledging the miller claim pile in a way that suggests she doesn't give a crap.

Also yeah this

[Epignosis]

Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

If I hadn't just finished the Space Invaders game with you I'd have voted you for this

Having fun is good but potatoing for the first three days hurts town and I ask you not to have your fun at the expense of others. Unless you're scum in which case potato away

Ok, how have I potatoed

I have the start of a good towncore this game

Last game I was on scum literally every day I was alive

So throw insults if you want but I’m still good at the game, I just approach it differently

I don't think you've potato'd actually, you've generated content so far and I'm fine with your play up til now. I actually said that Wisp's push on you for not doing much was bad for that reason. But then you said you were just going to sheep if someone put you in a towncore which indicates to me a lack of desire to continue generating content which was what made me said that. If that wasn't what you meant then fine.

I don't understand what your take is on Nanook. Do you suspect him or don't you?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think she’s townreading me now!

[Epignosis]

All of a sudden Spacedaisy is one of my top civilian reads. It's a "soul read" if you will, but I get a great sense of purity from dem posts.

Oh shit.

[Long Con]

Purity tell. Tsk tsk. Can we lynch JJJ on Day 1?

[Millium]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

elaborate?

It's unclear to me why Wisp is pushing nanook for not doing anything when plenty of other people haven't done anything either and it's well within standard nanook behavior to not do much, in the first ten pages of the game especially. Also even if you disregard that, nanook stating a soft lock town on Epi was probably more content than many other people in the game anyway.

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

sure just let me vote everyone I guess
you arguing that, many others are doing the same thing, is more of a discredit than an arguement
I know exactly what Nanook is capable of, as both alignments, I guess we can argue his behavior is still pretty NAI, but I don't want to

[sprityo]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

i think thats how you spell it?

A applaud you for spelling it right, you’re okay in my book

[KitsuShel]

I am here and trying to catch up. Holy crap, y’alls play style is hella different than what I’m used to.

[sprityo]

In hindsight, I have entirely screwed up the town to mafia ratio in this game since I've given the entire town my unchoppableness. I think adding eight more wolves and a vigilante or two will set things right. Please stand by for new role pms.

Spoiler: show

Hmmm


Perhaps then you should just get a whole new player list then?

[sprityo]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] if one of the millers is mafia, who is it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay if one of the millers is mafia, who is it?

Funnygurl would be my first guess.

[Millium]

Nanook in regards to the difference I saw relates to the team Mafia game, where I feel like he is doing more, which feels pretty odd to call someone a wolf for, but then he just goes back to the whole meta argument, which feels a bit better

Miller claims are meaning less and less to me now, given that this is our 4th? miller claim
Hally's is probably the best, and her stuff afterward, like her interaction with my game along side Con, look good as well

Tony came off a bit nervous after his claim

I never got a chance to talk about Epi, but they are all over the place from what I remember

[mention]Alison[/mention]
also, a lot of the way I play stems from trying to get people to do stuff even day 1, so people like Clem aka Nanook bother me on a fundamental level. I am pretty much like a mini-me version of Jagged, except my posts aren't as great as his. I am a better motivator than a game solver

[Millium]

Funnygirl also claimed Miller?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

elaborate?

It's unclear to me why Wisp is pushing nanook for not doing anything when plenty of other people haven't done anything either and it's well within standard nanook behavior to not do much, in the first ten pages of the game especially. Also even if you disregard that, nanook stating a soft lock town on Epi was probably more content than many other people in the game anyway.

#269 and #270 had really high levels of "look at me, I'm so town!" energy, which I generally associate with mafia. This is because mafia tends to be much more concerned with how they look to the rest of the town than a townie, and will be actively trying to make themselves look as town as possible. Of course town also has an incentive to try to appear as townie as possible but I think crafting a post specifically to try to exude that kind of energy is >rand mafia. The random jab at funnygurl felt really out of place as well.

sure just let me vote everyone I guess
you arguing that, many others are doing the same thing, is more of a discredit than an arguement
I know exactly what Nanook is capable of, as both alignments, I guess we can argue his behavior is still pretty NAI, but I don't want to

X for doubt

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I DO do stuff D1, it’s just not the stuff you want me to do, so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like it’s pretty common for me to catch scum D1 I don’t really know where this “nanook doesn’t do anything” comes from tbh

[Millium]

Epignosis is a civilian for shitting in my cereal when I wasn't here yet.

Hally is a civilian for being the first miller claim and for displaying ~[the energy]~

Wisp is a civilian for ordering me to vote for a dude before I determined I agreed with him.

sabie12 is a civilian for acknowledging the miller claim pile in a way that suggests she doesn't give a crap.

Also yeah this

and then you going about using this as your own defense makes the above mean so much less

[JaggedJimmyJay]

All of a sudden Spacedaisy is one of my top civilian reads. It's a "soul read" if you will, but I get a great sense of purity from dem posts.

Oh shit.

It’s kind of a stupid word, yes. But it fit the context of my intended message.

[Millium]

Like it’s pretty common for me to catch scum D1 I don’t really know where this “nanook doesn’t do anything” comes from tbh

then do it?
my impression of you is pretty much, I know you can catch mafia, but you never seem to do anything
and when I see you doing stuff, its mostly arguing with people that pressure you, which is NAI, and spitting out blanket reads with no evidence, which helps no one

[Millium]

going to backread the posts I missed while asleep

[Millium]

Wisp is significantly >rand town based on meta fwiw

dont meta read me
but I am curious what you think this meta is?

[Long Con]

@Epignosis
talk to me about this Nanook meta you have
Why doesn't he die day 1?

For the record, this has never been a thing before Epi decided it was in this very game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am here and trying to catch up. Holy crap, y’alls play style is hella different than what I’m used to.

At this point nobody is used to anybody’s style anymore. We morph with the passing breeze. I am e x c i t e d for your t a k e s.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like it’s pretty common for me to catch scum D1 I don’t really know where this “nanook doesn’t do anything” comes from tbh

then do it?
my impression of you is pretty much, I know you can catch mafia, but you never seem to do anything
and when I see you doing stuff, its mostly arguing with people that pressure you, which is NAI, and spitting out blanket reads with no evidence, which helps no one

I mean uh

I have objectively good reads most games, I think you’ve played with me enough to know this?

So like...

What I’m doing is working, if you know it works and still don’t pay attention to my reads I think that’s more on you than me tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wisp is significantly >rand town based on meta fwiw

dont meta read me
but I am curious what you think this meta is?

Why would I not meta read you

I’ve literally never read you wrong in a forum game

[Millium]

JAgged's read on me doesnt feel like something he made up
Personally, he is not someone who I would argue is a good lynch day 1, and anything against him right now just feels a bit nitpicky
Me and him will most likely be top posting by the end of day 1, and I am not interested in this slot in the slightest as long as his progressions feel natural

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Funnygirl also claimed Miller?

two hard claimed millers
are we really doing this?

this isn't a bastard game, correct?

also hard claiming miller

What does this mean to you Wisp

[Millium]

Wisp is significantly >rand town based on meta fwiw

dont meta read me
but I am curious what you think this meta is?

Why would I not meta read you

I’ve literally never read you wrong in a forum game

I mean if this game says anything than sure? but I have no idea your reads on me from other games. I think you called me town in the Team Mafia game, I don't recall what you read on my was in the Draft Mafia game on Mafia451

but that still doesnt answer my question, what exactly is the meta read? or is this simply "I have a big brain and I have never been wrong", which helps literally no one but yourself

[Millium]

Funnygirl also claimed Miller?

two hard claimed millers
are we really doing this?

this isn't a bastard game, correct?

also hard claiming miller

What does this mean to you Wisp

yo not everything sticks to my brain like glue
did they post anything else after claiming that?

[Millium]

how the hell does Nanook have 75 posts...