Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

ok, so the carrotte lie isn't really a lie and i can feel better that she's town now. n3, when she claimed to have checked macdougall, a member of her tri was killed (KZA). usually that means half your glory disappears. but it was confirmed her action would go through n3 and she'd lose it after. @Carotenoid were you buffed by someone? epi confirmed when someone gives us sols or stats, we are alerted. if you were, can you tell me which night?

macdougall only managed to get enough glory on n3 despite having 2 alive members in his tri until yesterday? do we actually believe that? that's 15 sols he had earned by that point. he has 1.0 on night 3, if his claim is to be believed. tony is mislynched, bringing the total sols he can earn in one phase to 2. macdougall loses half his glory at the end of the day phase going into night 4 because of tony's demise so he's at 0.5 glory. he needs 0.5 glory which costs...well 0.4 glory costs 9sols and 0.1 glory costs 3 sols so if i'm doing the math right, that's a lie. he doesn't have enough glory to check anyone therefore his red claim is BS. and i also don't believe he didn't have enough glory before n3 to use his action in the first place. he's an "alignment cop" that's the only thing he should have been wasting his sols on so i don't believe him saying otherwise like "oh i buffed up my presence" -- come on.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think of my attempt at mechanically solving something for the first time in my life.

I’ll have to run through your numbers but looks fine on surface? If Mac is lying maybe should’ve waited to see who he red checked but not a big deal. Lemme run through numbers and see if this is solid or if I can break it. As in typing this I think I can break it maybe, we’ll see

oh hmmm

[nutella]

Oh yeah that’s a good catch from carot, thanks

Sorry dunia most mechanical play looks like this, one person having a good looking idea and a couple others well actually-ing it

lol k

[nutella]

nah no result

[nutella]

Also, whoever smashed my stuff had better have been scum - very good decision, if so. If you're town, then it's mostly your fault if we lose the game.

???

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

why would you assume he voted his red check when he specifically said he didn't want to claim who it was yet

this is very weird dunya

Tbf it’s not usually a bad assumption

[dunya]

i just ignore nutella's read and development on me when i know she's town. it makes...my life easier and less stressful. nothing you say will convince her otherwise, so why bother?

[nutella]

what do you think of mac's "alignment cop" claim?

Honestly I just feel really clueless, especially since moth also claimed to be a cop?

moth claimed role cop, so he targets people and knows their roles

but both of you and mac have claimed traditional cops. did you start with 0.4 or 0.6 glory, if you dont mind me asking?

technically moth claimed that he sends other people roles
he said something like his target learns the role of the person they voted for

ftr a straight role cop is traditionally more commonly a scum role so would be kinda silly to claim but his claim is just oddly specific enough that I believe it. whether it can't still be a scum role, I haven't thought much about

[nutella]

Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels

My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.

what have you been doing with all your sols?

Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:


Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

oh wild

[dunya]

From OP:

"Each choice you see may have three and exactly three selectors. Anyone failing to satisfy this simple requirement will be dealt with severely."

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] what happened when you didn't vote in the day 0 poll?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

probably better not to answer that tbh

[Long Con]

Probably, he didn't get the benefit of being in a triumvirate, extra Sol every night. He probably gets one Sol every time.

[nutella]

yeah I'm p sure epi essentially confirmed wilgy simply didn't get a trium

[dunya]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out

You don't accept his reasoning? I find Tony's overall vibe scummy to this point but I don't take issue with him prodding someone that was barely noticeable. You'll notice that Nanook showed up too, and his posts didn't exactly impress me. Since you like asking questions I'll ask you one; any thoughts on Nanook himself?

Oh and I think you asked me about Moth earlier but I got distracted; he is still town.

It’s because Tony was happy to suspect people and cast shade on them, but wasn’t willing to actually back it up with a vote. Like from reputation I know sloonei and nutella are fairly experienced players, so it’d probably be hard to get either banished d1. Nanook is a really easy, random, low-commitment vote. Who’s gonna defend someone with low thread presence that hasn’t really gotten “serious” about solving yet? Like in a vacuum I don’t think someone voting Nanook is necessarily scummie, but it doesn’t really fit with the mindset Tony’s shown so far.
Like Tony: “This might be a wolf tactic because most people just leave these sort of mutual tunnels alone d1. be cautious of this”
Also Tony: leaves mutual tunnel alone, makes an easy, low-commitment vote
Why isn’t he pushing at the tunnel? It just makes me go ???

Re: Nanook is probably just lazy civilian getting pushed for a miselim.

i'm going through marcher's iso now for clues, and i do find it super left field that he basically hard defends nanook out of the blue without any prior communication with him.

it feels like he had a lot to say about nanook, but never bothered saying them till he wanted to cast shade on tony.

it could be pocketing attempt, haven't finished the iso to determine but want to point out things that ping me like his insistence on calling moth out to tell him why OW is a tr doesn't read w/w for me (w/w for marcher and moth).

[dunya]

i must be dreaming then because i thought cayvie included drwilgy in her tri with moth huh. gotta check that out

[cayvie]

i must be dreaming then because i thought cayvie included drwilgy in her tri with moth huh. gotta check that out

i mean im getting 3 sol a phase, so i hope there's 3 of us!

[cayvie]

yeah I'm p sure epi essentially confirmed wilgy simply didn't get a trium

naw i asked, wilgy & moth are in the accusers w me

[nutella]

oh huh ok

[cayvie]

Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels

My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.

what have you been doing with all your sols?

Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:


Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

not even a check?

[dunya]

if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

[cayvie]

if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

i like this

[cayvie]

frankly, that clear applies to moth w too. enough associative clearing for me to move off of lc entirely rn

[cayvie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[cayvie]

actually, [VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[bronana]

Mac should claim his n4 result before too long.

If he waits until the last minute for eod chaos I'm just voting him

[bronana]

Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels

My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.

what have you been doing with all your sols?

Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:


Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

not even a check?

that just struck me as one of those elaborate schemes people were saying long con does as a wolf

[Long Con]

Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels

My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.

what have you been doing with all your sols?

Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:


Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

not even a check?

Two checks last night, actually.

if wilgy is w, LC and nutella not w lol.

But I've been townreading Wilgy all game. Vocally.

Actually I think we should probably all claim starting glory levels

My starting Glory was 1.0. My current Glory is in the shitter.

I had a Glorious plan to secure the win, but that is also down the shitter. Last night took all the wind out of my sails.

what have you been doing with all your sols?

Various very intelligent things. My prize possession was:


Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)

I inherited the tracker role and I was going to win the game for us, but it is smashed now, and I have nothing.

not even a check?

that just struck me as one of those elaborate schemes people were saying long con does as a wolf

It was an elaborate scheme, but it was a town elaborate scheme. I was genuinely excited to start doing it, which is why I acted that way at the end of last lynch... if I hadn't had my stuff all smashed, I would have been outing myself today and shoving it in the face of my accusers.

[Lissa]

ok, so the carrotte lie isn't really a lie and i can feel better that she's town now. n3, when she claimed to have checked macdougall, a member of her tri was killed (KZA). usually that means half your glory disappears. but it was confirmed her action would go through n3 and she'd lose it after. @Carotenoid were you buffed by someone? epi confirmed when someone gives us sols or stats, we are alerted. if you were, can you tell me which night?

macdougall only managed to get enough glory on n3 despite having 2 alive members in his tri until yesterday? do we actually believe that? that's 15 sols he had earned by that point. he has 1.0 on night 3, if his claim is to be believed. tony is mislynched, bringing the total sols he can earn in one phase to 2. macdougall loses half his glory at the end of the day phase going into night 4 because of tony's demise so he's at 0.5 glory. he needs 0.5 glory which costs...well 0.4 glory costs 9sols and 0.1 glory costs 3 sols so if i'm doing the math right, that's a lie. he doesn't have enough glory to check anyone therefore his red claim is BS. and i also don't believe he didn't have enough glory before n3 to use his action in the first place. he's an "alignment cop" that's the only thing he should have been wasting his sols on so i don't believe him saying otherwise like "oh i buffed up my presence" -- come on.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think of my attempt at mechanically solving something for the first time in my life.

the day banish halves hope, not glory

[Lissa]

I don't know what's ideal, that's probably Nanook's territory. I actually don't much like that he revealed his green check on Sloonei at all, because it got him killed whether Mac is good or bad.

I'm not considering deeply whether Mac is good or bad, what I'm considering is that I'm not rushing towards killing another awesome role's claimant by assuming a lie again.

i keep staring at this

what else was he supposed to do with it exactly

[bronana]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeh I’m not sure what he was supposed to do either lol, you gotta out the green check if you’re town cause otherwise you die and nobody knows what it was

[Long Con]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

These are the kinds of questions we should be asking. We've gotta find this jerk and punch him.

[Long Con]

I don't know what's ideal, that's probably Nanook's territory. I actually don't much like that he revealed his green check on Sloonei at all, because it got him killed whether Mac is good or bad.

I'm not considering deeply whether Mac is good or bad, what I'm considering is that I'm not rushing towards killing another awesome role's claimant by assuming a lie again.

i keep staring at this

what else was he supposed to do with it exactly

Maybe blink a little. Two or three times a minute.

[Lissa]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

[Long Con]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

[Lissa]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

i didn't say i did?

[Long Con]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

i didn't say i did?

Oh, so it's like an imagination journey. Got it. Let me know what you find please!

[bronana]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

bold/underline especially is such a strange thing to say. it's YOUR claim.

[Long Con]

why would someone be smashing long con's inventory?

i'm trying to parse what alignment i think is more likely to have done it if real

Why? How? Why do you even believe it's true?

bold/underline especially is such a strange thing to say. it's YOUR claim.

Yeah, but it's Lissa talking. She's supposed to say "Long Con is lying, don't waste my time with these fake ploys", vote for me, and move on.

[DrWilgy]

True this is what I would do.

[Long Con]

What would you do?

[DrWilgy]

say "Long Con is lying, don't waste my time with these fake ploys", vote for me, and move on.

[DrWilgy]

Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

[Long Con]

Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Nutella
Cayvie
Moth

From goodest to baddest

[nutella]

Why do any have to be

[cayvie]

Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Is this a random list of players, or what?

[DrWilgy]

Someone tell me between these three who is bad: Cayvie, Hazelnut, Moth.

Is this a random list of players, or what?

Nope. There is a commonality.

[dunya]

do you think moth's roleclaim is BS, wilgster? it's very, uh, elaborate and can be verified i guess.

[DrWilgy]

do you think moth's roleclaim is BS, wilgster? it's very, uh, elaborate and can be verified i guess.

I think it's the most believable of the claims but it also suffers from the "it doesn't have to be real if it has no impact" fallacy.

Moth claim also was in effort to give Mac validation and I dislike that.

[nutella]

didn't ow corroborate moth's claim?

[outed wolf]

No

I didn't really corroborate Mac's claim either