Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Alison]

@JaggedJimmyJay come and help me lynch your wolf partner

Sure, but you're wrong about the association. Be mindful that the nonsense in this interaction is exclusively on Long Con's side of it.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I too have been annoyed by wolf buddies tarring me with ugly associatives when I have said nothing wrong in the thread myself.

Anyway, if you are in fact town, I believe that you will have a chance to show it to me and prove why this read was wrong. Until then, I see no reason why you should be dissatisfied with a push on LC.

[sabie12]

I guess I caught up.

Not sure how to take all these miller claims. It's an easy way to be like hey I'm not scum but I'm going to seem like it don't pay attention to that. Not sure the likelihood that all of them are legit.

[Alison]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

What song and why?

[Hally]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

more words please

[Alison]

I guess I caught up.

Not sure how to take all these miller claims. It's an easy way to be like hey I'm not scum but I'm going to seem like it don't pay attention to that. Not sure the likelihood that all of them are legit.

They can't all be scum sabie. It's fairly obvious that the host just put a gazillion Millers in. Don't think it's super alignment indicative.

[Millium]

I'll take it. Lynch him first though.

yikes

[Alison]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin with

maybe he’s like this as town, i have no idea, but i dont tr it

You should vote him.

[DrWilgy]

Hello everyone. My name is Jack and I am most definitely a doctor.

Hello.

Who is bad?

Would responding with a playful and non-hurtfully-intended "Your mom." Be distasteful for any reason?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin with

maybe he’s like this as town, i have no idea, but i dont tr it

I would call Long Con a dramatic player.

I still don't remember another example quite like this apart from Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Long Con was mafia, I was a civilian). You'll have to search my names (JJJ, Jay, etc) to find the stuff, but there's a lot of it in there.

[Millium]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

this is not RVS anymore, why are you voting Nanook

[Hally]

I'll take it. Lynch him first though.

yikes

that quote was lc, not alison in case people are wondering

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay come and help me lynch your wolf partner

Sure, but you're wrong about the association. Be mindful that the nonsense in this interaction is exclusively on Long Con's side of it.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I too have been annoyed by wolf buddies tarring me with ugly associatives when I have said nothing wrong in the thread myself.

Anyway, if you are in fact town, I believe that you will have a chance to show it to me and prove why this read was wrong. Until then, I see no reason why you should be dissatisfied with a push on LC.

I'm not. He was in my suspect pool before he supernova'd. Go crazy.

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

What song and why?

Scapegoat Wax - Aisle 10. Why what?

[Alison]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

this is not RVS anymore, why are you voting Nanook

I think he's still catching up lol

[sabie12]

I guess I caught up.

Not sure how to take all these miller claims. It's an easy way to be like hey I'm not scum but I'm going to seem like it don't pay attention to that. Not sure the likelihood that all of them are legit.

They can't all be scum sabie. It's fairly obvious that the host just put a gazillion Millers in. Don't think it's super alignment indicative.

I'm saying it is possible that not all of them are legit. Not saying they are all not legit.

[Alison]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

What song and why?

Scapegoat Wax - Aisle 10. Why what?

Why did I put that song in your head??

I'm genuinely curious.

[Alison]

I guess I caught up.

Not sure how to take all these miller claims. It's an easy way to be like hey I'm not scum but I'm going to seem like it don't pay attention to that. Not sure the likelihood that all of them are legit.

They can't all be scum sabie. It's fairly obvious that the host just put a gazillion Millers in. Don't think it's super alignment indicative.

I'm saying it is possible that not all of them are legit. Not saying they are all not legit.

Well yes, it is possible that not all of them are legit, which is why I am not town clearing everyone who claimed Miller.

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

more words please

I only promise to try. Whether those words are of value is another subject.

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

this is not RVS anymore, why are you voting Nanook

Lmao yes it is.

[Alison]

I searched LC's iso for the baseball game for "JJJ" and "Jay" and found a few posts of him making a firm attack on you but nothing close to the melodrama he displayed in the thread just now

[Alison]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

this is not RVS anymore, why are you voting Nanook

Lmao yes it is.

calling this RVS is super baller and I'm not sure what to make of it rofl

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

What song and why?

Scapegoat Wax - Aisle 10. Why what?

Why did I put that song in your head??

I'm genuinely curious.

"Hello Alison" is part of the main chorus. It's honestly a silly and dumb song, but it's sticky and triggers nostalgia.

[sabie12]

I feel like LC is pretty chill when he's town. I can't recall a scummy LC is he more subject to outbursts when scum?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I searched LC's iso for the baseball game for "JJJ" and "Jay" and found a few posts of him making a firm attack on you but nothing close to the melodrama he displayed in the thread just now

I agree it's worse here. That was the closest parallel that comes to mind.

[Alison]

Hally why aren't you voting LC in the poll?

[Hally]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin with

maybe he’s like this as town, i have no idea, but i dont tr it

I would call Long Con a dramatic player.

I still don't remember another example quite like this apart from Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Long Con was mafia, I was a civilian). You'll have to search my names (JJJ, Jay, etc) to find the stuff, but there's a lot of it in there.

his reaction doesnt seem as overblown there as here at first glance

meh, idk. i dont really care about any of this. gonna wait and see what else he does

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

[Hally]

Hally why aren't you voting LC in the poll?

i dont wanna yet

[Hally]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

its possible i suppose? feels too good to be true though

[sabie12]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

I'm with you on the FG suspicion. Not as sure about LC but could be.

[Hally]

if the mutual town reads we have going rn are largely accurate then yeah its possible wolves are feeling the pressure already

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

its possible i suppose? feels too good to be true though

They said the same thing in a certain other game I played recently.

[Hally]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

its possible i suppose? feels too good to be true though

They said the same thing in a certain other game I played recently.

yea thought of that when i said it i shouldnt bet against you lol

[Alison]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin with

maybe he’s like this as town, i have no idea, but i dont tr it

I would call Long Con a dramatic player.

I still don't remember another example quite like this apart from Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Long Con was mafia, I was a civilian). You'll have to search my names (JJJ, Jay, etc) to find the stuff, but there's a lot of it in there.

his reaction doesnt seem as overblown there as here at first glance

meh, idk. i dont really care about any of this. gonna wait and see what else he does

Why don't you care about something you called "performative, overdramatic and fake" Hally?

[Alison]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

I can definitely see wolves being tilted if multiple townies are all townreading each other and getting more confident in their reads as they interact more while wolves are left out in the cold.

That said, I don't see FG as the kind of player to lash out as wolf.

[Long Con]

Obviously the only way to suspect JJJ is to be a wolf. :nod:

[Long Con]

[Alison]

"Too good to be true" doesn't exist in mafia IMO. If something is scummy, it's scummy, and you feeling like you were handed the win on a silver platter doesn't change how objectively scummy that thing is. The real thing to be wary of is being manipulated into being too confident the game is solved by scum, but that is a different matter altogether.

[TonyStarkPrime]

JAgged's read on me doesnt feel like something he made up
Personally, he is not someone who I would argue is a good lynch day 1, and anything against him right now just feels a bit nitpicky
Me and him will most likely be top posting by the end of day 1, and I am not interested in this slot in the slightest as long as his progressions feel natural

This post is nonsensical. Players in and of themselves can't be bad lynches D1 - if they're mafia they're definitely a good lynch D1. Barring some extremely weird meta concerns, it's very difficult for me to see how JJJ can always be a bad lynch Day 1 regardless of alignment. I also don't understand how "top posting" has anything to do with alignment. Top posters D1 in the Space Invader game were proto/Alison/Mac and two of those players were scum.

NeGaTiVe ExPeCtEd VaLuE

But seriously, not wanting to lynch Jay on day 1 in general is a lot more than he's a high poster. I think you probably know that. And Wisp even qualifies it with a "as long as his progressions feel natural".

[TonyStarkPrime]

Epi soft locked as town imo

nice pocket nanook

so my push in Nanook is bad?
but this is nice pocket from Nanook, which definitely doesn't insinuate a town lean

you talk about other people looking worse than Nanook, but then you vote Jagged, when people like Funnygirl have terrible early games isos

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

@JaggedJimmyJay
leaving Funnygirl on the back burner for now
I want Alison to respond to my posts

I see nothing wrong with Funnygurl's posts. She has this entrance literally every game and you can go and look at her past games if you don't believe me.

Also yes I was suspicious of that post but nanook later cleared it up by:

- Saying that he did it in a game where he was town (I couldn't find the post where he did this to Epi specifically, but I do remember him throwing out a bunch of reads and clearing people after talking to them for a bit)

- And if that isn't enough, saying that the read is short-term and that it will either confirm Epi to be town if he continues it, or mafia if he discontinues it. This suggests that he is prepared to explain his read more clearly later on in the game.

The basis of suspecting nanook throwing out an early "Epi is town" for no real reason is because it looks a lot like nanook just wants Epi to trust him and think favorably of him by giving him towncred. But if nanook is willing to demonstrate that he does this as town, as well as explain the basis behind his read (even if he only does it later on), that assuages a lot of my concerns about the read and moves it closer to a normal read with proper explanation and reasoning, which is obviously not very suspicious.

but there's something here that's subtly town

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime tell me about your vote

Who was I voting for at this time? I came into the thread earlier and was voting Hally, probably that. I don't remember why.

[Alison]

I think there’s a decent chance that the collective town play is constricting the mafia already and they’re lashing out. It’s not hard to believe that I’m just right about FG and LC. And together they’ve decided to fight out of it by challenging my posture as a consensus town read and leader.

I can definitely see wolves being tilted if multiple townies are all townreading each other and getting more confident in their reads as they interact more while wolves are left out in the cold.

That said, I don't see FG as the kind of player to lash out as wolf.

Also this narrative involves you actually being the consensus townread and leader. I'm not sure it looks that way to the wolves. (I don't care to argue whether or not it's actually true, only whether the wolves would believe it is true.) You may be a consensus townread, but I don't think the wolves have any reason to see you as directing the town from their PoV. Me and nanook are also widely townread and we're both doing our own things and solving the game in our own ways. If FG and LC are the wolves and you are town, why do they feel the most threatened by you specifically?

While writing that I did just remember that FG accused JJJ of controlling the game so maybe there is some truth to this theory. I am content with letting LC flip and I think the truth of the JJJ slot will come out not long after, one way or another.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Note that we need to remain in a state of high urgency at all times. Jack is a host from the HC Realms tree, and that means we cannot trust conventional assumptions about how alignments may be distributed. When I see 15 players, I tend to assume 12 vs. 3 is the most standard. With Jack though, I will not count out 11 vs. 4 or even 10 vs. 5 (with potential independent involvement too). It depends upon the arrangements of the roles he has decided to feature.

The point is that we cannot fart around in a Jack game. Play hard at all times or suffer the consequences.

did I miss this the first time?

Epi's reaction is accurate.

[Alison]

JAgged's read on me doesnt feel like something he made up
Personally, he is not someone who I would argue is a good lynch day 1, and anything against him right now just feels a bit nitpicky
Me and him will most likely be top posting by the end of day 1, and I am not interested in this slot in the slightest as long as his progressions feel natural

This post is nonsensical. Players in and of themselves can't be bad lynches D1 - if they're mafia they're definitely a good lynch D1. Barring some extremely weird meta concerns, it's very difficult for me to see how JJJ can always be a bad lynch Day 1 regardless of alignment. I also don't understand how "top posting" has anything to do with alignment. Top posters D1 in the Space Invader game were proto/Alison/Mac and two of those players were scum.

NeGaTiVe ExPeCtEd VaLuE

But seriously, not wanting to lynch Jay on day 1 in general is a lot more than he's a high poster. I think you probably know that. And Wisp even qualifies it with a "as long as his progressions feel natural".

It doesn't matter to me how great a person's virtues are when they're town. None of those virtues will come about if they are scum. Therefore I will not advocate a policy of not lynching a player D1 in general unless I have reason to believe they are not scum. If I think they are, I am lynching them no matter who they are.

[Hally]

I find it hard to believe that a civilian Long Con just blows the hell up like that without even asking me any questions or anything. Straight from 0 to murder rage. I am capable of quick turns on players, but that's not something I can recall feeling before.

i agree. i dont know lc but this feels performative, overdramatic and fake especially when your suspicion of him was hardly anything to begin with

maybe he’s like this as town, i have no idea, but i dont tr it

I would call Long Con a dramatic player.

I still don't remember another example quite like this apart from Take Me Out to the Ballgame (Long Con was mafia, I was a civilian). You'll have to search my names (JJJ, Jay, etc) to find the stuff, but there's a lot of it in there.

his reaction doesnt seem as overblown there as here at first glance

meh, idk. i dont really care about any of this. gonna wait and see what else he does

Why don't you care about something you called "performative, overdramatic and fake" Hally?

because just because i find it that way doesnt mean it actually is. im not lc, i dont know him, idc

i dont have any confidence in reads i make off these sorts of things. i will wait and see

[Millium]

Obviously the only way to suspect JJJ is to be a wolf. :nod:

whats the wolf!JJJ case again?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also this narrative involves you actually being the consensus townread and leader. I'm not sure it looks that way to the wolves. (I don't care to argue whether or not it's actually true, only whether the wolves would believe it is true.) You may be a consensus townread, but I don't think the wolves have any reason to see you as directing the town from their PoV. Me and nanook are also widely townread and we're both doing our own things and solving the game in our own ways. If FG and LC are the wolves and you are town, why do they feel the most threatened by you specifically?

While writing that I did just remember that FG accused JJJ of controlling the game so maybe there is some truth to this theory. I am content with letting LC flip and I think the truth of the JJJ slot will come out not long after, one way or another.

I'm hardly doing this alone, you're right about that. At least from LC's perspective I think there'd be a lot of reputation in the mix -- I'm known for being a player that takes on that mantle. I don't mean to take anything away from my teammates of course. I am very pleased with the way this game has gone so far, and that's a testament to [likely] numerous other civilians playing hard and playing to win.

[TonyStarkPrime]

my no yeet pile atm is

epi
jay
daisy
wisp
nanook
sabie?
tony?

alison could be there maybe but idk. i simply dont have any confidence in my ability to read her. she’s someone i think id probably only get to by getting her teammates first. thinking about it more and i dont think drawing a comparison to how she played last game will be that fruitful because her whole team was in a very bad spot early on, including herself. i have no idea what she’d be capable of as scum when she has less pressure but my guess is “a lot”

colin
sprityo
kitsu
fg
wigly
lc

these are the names left out. feels like a pretty basic sorting but eh, gotta start somewhere

your scum pile is lhf fwiw. syndicate's good at both projecting town and distancing from team members. don't buy in to the ~pOe~s thanks

Syndicate is really bad at clearing out the POE and it leads to a lot of otherwise unnecessary losses tbh

back to back.

[TonyStarkPrime]

JAgged's read on me doesnt feel like something he made up
Personally, he is not someone who I would argue is a good lynch day 1, and anything against him right now just feels a bit nitpicky
Me and him will most likely be top posting by the end of day 1, and I am not interested in this slot in the slightest as long as his progressions feel natural

This post is nonsensical. Players in and of themselves can't be bad lynches D1 - if they're mafia they're definitely a good lynch D1. Barring some extremely weird meta concerns, it's very difficult for me to see how JJJ can always be a bad lynch Day 1 regardless of alignment. I also don't understand how "top posting" has anything to do with alignment. Top posters D1 in the Space Invader game were proto/Alison/Mac and two of those players were scum.

NeGaTiVe ExPeCtEd VaLuE

But seriously, not wanting to lynch Jay on day 1 in general is a lot more than he's a high poster. I think you probably know that. And Wisp even qualifies it with a "as long as his progressions feel natural".

It doesn't matter to me how great a person's virtues are when they're town. None of those virtues will come about if they are scum. Therefore I will not advocate a policy of not lynching a player D1 in general unless I have reason to believe they are not scum. If I think they are, I am lynching them no matter who they are.

Yes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Note that we need to remain in a state of high urgency at all times. Jack is a host from the HC Realms tree, and that means we cannot trust conventional assumptions about how alignments may be distributed. When I see 15 players, I tend to assume 12 vs. 3 is the most standard. With Jack though, I will not count out 11 vs. 4 or even 10 vs. 5 (with potential independent involvement too). It depends upon the arrangements of the roles he has decided to feature.

The point is that we cannot fart around in a Jack game. Play hard at all times or suffer the consequences.

did I miss this the first time?

Epi's reaction is accurate.

I've only seen a few HC Realms games granted, but they had pretty crazy ratios. I remember colonialbob's Christmas game from 2016 was 9:4:1:1. That's not to suggest the balance was bad (town won) -- the mechanical nature of HC Realms games means different stuff works.