Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could be wrong about Long Con and/or Funnygurl. I dunno.

But I have serious doubts that either of them really finds me suspicious, so fart.

[Long Con]

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

[Hally]

like... if im a widely suspected townie sring jay and i see another widely suspected townie sring jay i?

think id have some reaction to that? like some sort of acknowledgement of the other person? i dont see that from them

[Long Con]

I could be wrong about Long Con and/or Funnygurl. I dunno.

But I have serious doubts that either of them really finds me suspicious, so fart.

No, I really do think you are scum.

[Hally]

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

why though? if jay is lock scum to you and fg suspects jay and jay suspects both of you like... how does that not make fg town fypov?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'd also expect two wolves to do ... something ... with it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could be wrong about Long Con and/or Funnygurl. I dunno.

But I have serious doubts that either of them really finds me suspicious, so fart.

No, I really do think you are scum.

You've made no engagement with me whatsoever. I don't believe you. There has been no "sort out JJJ". There has only been a ridiculous loud GOTCHA.

[Long Con]

I could be wrong about Long Con and/or Funnygurl. I dunno.

But I have serious doubts that either of them really finds me suspicious, so fart.

No, I really do think you are scum.

You've made no engagement with me whatsoever. I don't believe you. There has been no "sort out JJJ". There has only been a ridiculous loud GOTCHA.

I don't really care about your rigid definition of how I should be playing.

[Hally]

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'd also expect two wolves to do ... something ... with it.

maybe

flipping one of them today is probably a good idea

[Long Con]

Mafia-aligned Long Con responded to suspicion from me with loud No Us in Take Me Out to the Ballgame.

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

why though? if jay is lock scum to you and fg suspects jay and jay suspects both of you like... how does that not make fg town fypov?

Because I could be wrong about Jay and he's town and she's scum.

[Hally]

Are LC and FG w/w in your mind?

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

why though? if jay is lock scum to you and fg suspects jay and jay suspects both of you like... how does that not make fg town fypov?

Because I could be wrong about Jay and he's town and she's scum.

but right now, in this moment, do you think thats the case?

like idk... what about the mindmeld? like, do you care at all that fg got to the same sr as you before you did? even independent of jays alignment, that doesnt move you in any way?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't really care about your rigid definition of how I should be playing.

"Rigid"

"Don't yell and scream at another player that can be a civilian with no interest in a dialogue, that's unhelpful" <~~~ This isn't my "philosophy". It's common sense. If you want to be petulant about it, you do you. I don't know why you do this shit. You weren't always this way.

[Long Con]

Could be. I have no reason off-hand to say they are not.

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

why though? if jay is lock scum to you and fg suspects jay and jay suspects both of you like... how does that not make fg town fypov?

Because I could be wrong about Jay and he's town and she's scum.

but right now, in this moment, do you think thats the case?

like idk... what about the mindmeld? like, do you care at all that fg got to the same sr as you before you did? even independent of jays alignment, that doesnt move you in any way?

I have high hopes for her being town, how about that?

[Long Con]

I don't really care about your rigid definition of how I should be playing.

"Rigid"

"Don't yell and scream at another player that can be a civilian with no interest in a dialogue, that's unhelpful" <~~~ This isn't my "philosophy". It's common sense. If you want to be petulant about it, you do you. I don't know why you do this shit. You weren't always this way.

And yet, I always get suspected for the way I normally play.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And yet, I always get suspected for the way I normally play.

At this point, you seem to be encouraging that on purpose.

If you somehow don't understand how I can play the way I have played so far as a civilian, find your answers here. I don't often manage to bring it all together as effectively as I did in that game, and it reminded me of styles I had lost sight of in recent memory:

~ Empower your teammates
~ Listen carefully
~ Let people do their thing their own way
~ Facilitate an environment of kindness and love where towns can flourish
~ Serve as a level and disciplined leader to help keep the game oriented in a productive direction

My play is a philosophy of its own, and I am trying to play to it the right way as I had been failing to do in much of 2019.

[Hally]

They'd have to both be pursuing the same strategy with little interaction between the two of them and without a glance to anything else. Seems too on the nose.

i was thinking earlier their non-interaction seems weird though? they both scum read jay but i dont see them acting like they “found” each other like id expect from two town in that position?

idk i think theres probably one wolf in those two at least

I'm not going to townread FG for accusing the same person I did. Actually, I think I challenged FG in the same post I accused JJJ, but it was ignored.

why though? if jay is lock scum to you and fg suspects jay and jay suspects both of you like... how does that not make fg town fypov?

Because I could be wrong about Jay and he's town and she's scum.

but right now, in this moment, do you think thats the case?

like idk... what about the mindmeld? like, do you care at all that fg got to the same sr as you before you did? even independent of jays alignment, that doesnt move you in any way?

I have high hopes for her being town, how about that?

okay... fair enough ig

[Long Con]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

At least in my case, this will not work. I don't care very much about "suspicion". If I don't specifically think you look like a civilian, then you're going to be a suspect. It's process of elimination, and it's where I was at with you before... all this other stuff.

Also please be mindful that you are absolutely not playing your normal way in this game. Perhaps you were before you flipped a lid. But that's not "same old Long Con".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

[Hally]

lc and jay @ each other:

[DrWilgy]

hally has to be town. scum doesn't get a fake role claim that includes a miller part and then claim miller. it just doesn't happen. I have spoken. No more discussion on this is ever allowed.

No

Hi buddy. You bad this game?

Wilgy!

[DrWilgy]

hally has to be town. scum doesn't get a fake role claim that includes a miller part and then claim miller. it just doesn't happen. I have spoken. No more discussion on this is ever allowed.

No

Hi buddy. You bad this game?

Wilgy!

Fuck

[TonyStarkPrime]

town again, sadly.

[Long Con]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

At least in my case, this will not work. I don't care very much about "suspicion". If I don't specifically think you look like a civilian, then you're going to be a suspect. It's process of elimination, and it's where I was at with you before... all this other stuff.

Also please be mindful that you are absolutely not playing your normal way in this game. Perhaps you were before you flipped a lid. But that's not "same old Long Con".

Probably I flipped my lid after you came at me for playing like "same old Long Con".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Probably I flipped my lid after you came at me for playing like "same old Long Con".

Do you feel you've done something in this game that is suggestive of your being a civilian?

[Long Con]

Probably I flipped my lid after you came at me for playing like "same old Long Con".

Do you feel you've done something in this game that is suggestive of your being a civilian?

Sorry, I don't always answer questions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Probably I flipped my lid after you came at me for playing like "same old Long Con".

Do you feel you've done something in this game that is suggestive of your being a civilian?

Sorry, I don't always answer questions.

Then this conversation is pointless. You can be in my POE pool in every game for the remainder of eternity if you want.

[Long Con]

Keep in mind that, despite all the Champs games that everyone lately has been playing, these Syndicate games are not Champs games. There's a reason I have never gone to a Champs game, despite being repeatedly asked each year.

[Millium]

Keep in mind that, despite all the Champs games that everyone lately has been playing, these Syndicate games are not Champs games. There's a reason I have never gone to a Champs game, despite being repeatedly asked each year.

is it because you don't know how to react to pressure without vomiting your emotions all over the thread?
did I hit the nail on the head?
do I get a gold star?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sabie still looks okay to me. I get the impression she wants to keep up and is making an earnest effort to do so. She's providing what takes she can and striking a good balance between falling way behind and forcing herself to give reads that don't exist.

[Hally]

can we not

like this game was going so well

suddenly its a sludge pool that i dont wanna go near

big rip

[JaggedJimmyJay]

can we not

like this game was going so well

suddenly its a sludge pool that i dont wanna go near

big rip

We mustn't let that happen. It's the first step toward a very strong civilian outing collapsing upon itself. And be mindful that it could be mafia-driven too. Even if it isn't, we've still built a strong foundation. Let's keep activated; the game will heal itself if we create the right environment.

[Hally]

im also hyper sensitive to conflict though so might just be me

and am feeling off for other reasons

so ill be back when im a bit more hype

[Millium]

it can stay well if people react to pressure better lol
given I should probably eat my own words

did anyone even react to my Tony vote?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

it can stay well if people react to pressure better lol
given I should probably eat my own words

did anyone even react to my Tony vote?

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] whaddya got

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Binary process of elimination style. Names are not ordered within groups:

TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
Nanook
Hally

ColinIsCool
Long Con
DrWilgy
sprityo
Funnygurl555

[Millium]

it can stay well if people react to pressure better lol
given I should probably eat my own words

did anyone even react to my Tony vote?

@TonyStarkPrime whaddya got

it's minor lol
but he was the first person from what I remember to stray from game, with "who?"
it bothers me on a fundamental level. Given game 6, and the game I used it in, I would like to think, the chance of being a wolf is greater than 50% when they stray for the rules of the game

[Long Con]

Keep in mind that, despite all the Champs games that everyone lately has been playing, these Syndicate games are not Champs games. There's a reason I have never gone to a Champs game, despite being repeatedly asked each year.

is it because you don't know how to react to pressure without vomiting your emotions all over the thread?
did I hit the nail on the head?
do I get a gold star?

Do you want one?

[Millium]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
remind me why this grouping is green
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
KitsuShel
sable


or just point me to where u stated this

[JaggedJimmyJay]

it can stay well if people react to pressure better lol
given I should probably eat my own words

did anyone even react to my Tony vote?

@TonyStarkPrime whaddya got

it's minor lol
but he was the first person from what I remember to stray from game, with "who?"
it bothers me on a fundamental level. Given game 6, and the game I used it in, I would like to think, the chance of being a wolf is greater than 50% when they stray for the rules of the game

Yeah I figured that was your gripe (I made the "who" joke on the last page).

Over the years I have seen a ton of people break the rules of my precious GTH reads and flip everything, so I don't share your confidence. I'll let you explore the idea though. You're right that it proved true for Mellow Ezlo and Nuxl.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay
remind me why this grouping is green
TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
KitsuShel
sable


or just point me to where u stated this

Spacedaisy, KitsuShel, and sabie12 are all in similar places for me. They may not have offered a wealth of content yet, but I will always take a stance. I believe all three of them have looked genuine in their efforts to get involved, and I have not caught a whiff of ulterior motives, acting, or faking from anything they've said to this point. I am perhaps less confident about this when it comes to sabie. That's okay. She'll make her posts and I'll see how I feel.

Tony seemed authentic in his reception of Hally's miller claim, and I haven't taken issue with his play since that point.

[sabie12]

sabie still looks okay to me. I get the impression she wants to keep up and is making an earnest effort to do so. She's providing what takes she can and striking a good balance between falling way behind and forcing herself to give reads that don't exist.

This is a super accurate description of what's going on. I do not like to just make up random reads to look like I'm participating. I respond when I want to if there's something I want to respond to. If I legit am not sure I don't like to make anything up. [I'm also trying not to pull the I'm freaking out about tomorrow's medical appointments card for my lack of participation but it does factor in a bit.]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is a super accurate description of what's going on. I do not like to just make up random reads to look like I'm participating. I respond when I want to if there's something I want to respond to. If I legit am not sure I don't like to make anything up. [I'm also trying not to pull the I'm freaking out about tomorrow's medical appointments card for my lack of participation but it does factor in a bit.]

I do hope that all goes as well as it can go, Maiden of Mischief.

[sabie12]

Binary process of elimination style. Names are not ordered within groups:

TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
Nanook
Hally

ColinIsCool
Long Con
DrWilgy
sprityo
Funnygurl555

I think as of right now this reads list is fair. Like I said I'm less sure about LC. I know wilgy has a tendency to not get too involved and I've made the mistake of getting him lynched for this before because of it but right now he hasn't given much indication to town read him. Spirityo is one of those players I always end up finding sketchy or he accuses me and then we have some kind of argument (all in good fun not legit arguments)
FG I just feel their posting has been sketchy this game so far.

[Millium]

sabie still looks okay to me. I get the impression she wants to keep up and is making an earnest effort to do so. She's providing what takes she can and striking a good balance between falling way behind and forcing herself to give reads that don't exist.

This is a super accurate description of what's going on. I do not like to just make up random reads to look like I'm participating. I respond when I want to if there's something I want to respond to. If I legit am not sure I don't like to make anything up. [I'm also trying not to pull the I'm freaking out about tomorrow's medical appointments card for my lack of participation but it does factor in a bit.]

fair I guess
also good luck

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
sprityo
Spacedaisy
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Funnygurl555
JaggedJimmyJay
Hally

@Jackofhearts2005 @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Thanks buddy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

For context the alternative is nanook simply giving a classic reaction test like: "I have a N0 red check on you. Die, scum." and voting them. That's one basically everyone knows about, it's trivially easy to fake and it usually gets you townread. Instead he chose to go for the potato soup thing.

I mean tbf I did say I had a n0 on Jay lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

For context the alternative is nanook simply giving a classic reaction test like: "I have a N0 red check on you. Die, scum." and voting them. That's one basically everyone knows about, it's trivially easy to fake and it usually gets you townread. Instead he chose to go for the potato soup thing.

I mean tbf I did say I had a n0 on Jay lmao

But to your broader point, it’s something I might do if I thought it would get me towncred. I doubt I’d do it with this specific playerlist tho.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Voted [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine cuz they cute.

Could vote Alison. A song is stuck in my head and it's all their fault.

Love you too bb

[Hally]

sabie still looks okay to me. I get the impression she wants to keep up and is making an earnest effort to do so. She's providing what takes she can and striking a good balance between falling way behind and forcing herself to give reads that don't exist.

This is a super accurate description of what's going on. I do not like to just make up random reads to look like I'm participating. I respond when I want to if there's something I want to respond to. If I legit am not sure I don't like to make anything up. [I'm also trying not to pull the I'm freaking out about tomorrow's medical appointments card for my lack of participation but it does factor in a bit.]

i hope your appointment goes well