Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis im curious where you’re at with things atm

My Day 1 preferences as of this moment:

LC, spirtyo, Wilgy, TSP, FunnyGirl

No particular order. These individuals displease me.

I'm glad Colin showed up and I haven't seen the guy in ages, so I'm fine leaving him alone.

[Hally]

@Epignosis im curious where you’re at with things atm

My Day 1 preferences as of this moment:

LC, spirtyo, Wilgy, TSP, FunnyGirl

No particular order. These individuals displease me.

I'm glad Colin showed up and I haven't seen the guy in ages, so I'm fine leaving him alone.

ok thanks

[DrWilgy]

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

And what did you like about it?

His reads sound like they come from a real place. If the "Nanook is unlynchable d1" thing is a true statement and was left at that, then I don't see that coming from a civ mindset. The notion shuts down discussion of potential suspects.

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

how do you read lc?

I like his case. Saw an argument against LC being meta based regarding his frustration? I think that's NAI. That's pretty much all I got ta say about that.

Is Long Con a civilian?

Idk. Alot of people seem to read him as bad and I more so read him as neutral. That was the only reason why I voiced what I did. Just to give an opinion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Idk. Alot of people seem to read him as bad and I more so read him as neutral. That was the only reason why I voiced what I did. Just to give an opinion.

How can you feel he's neutral if you also feel his case "came from a real place"?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin's brief entrance looks okay to me.

[Spacedaisy]

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

And what did you like about it?

His reads sound like they come from a real place. If the "Nanook is unlynchable d1" thing is a true statement and was left at that, then I don't see that coming from a civ mindset. The notion shuts down discussion of potential suspects.

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

how do you read lc?

I like his case. Saw an argument against LC being meta based regarding his frustration? I think that's NAI. That's pretty much all I got ta say about that.

Is Long Con a civilian?

Idk. Alot of people seem to read him as bad and I more so read him as neutral. That was the only reason why I voiced what I did. Just to give an opinion.

You just said it to give an opinion that is basically “I have no opinion,” am I understanding this correctly?

[Hally]

Colin's brief entrance looks okay to me.

yeah, it was fine. id like to give him a bit more time i think

[Spacedaisy]

Oh no, you are talking about an opinio of the case, not LC.

Disregard my question.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Jay, why did you bring up your role at all?

Alison had just [deliberately or not] ordered me to place a vote. I wanted to make it clear to 1) anyone that didn't see my claim already and 2) any would-be trolls, overconfident civilians, or mafia that deliberate abuse of my crippled role would be met with severe repercussions.

I can literally have my voting agency stolen from me. That's a majorly shitty thing, and I am not letting anyone forget it's there.

No, why did you bring it up in the first place?

All it takes is someone casually saying to me "you should vote for X", and my role is publicly triggered. I'm not setting myself up to have to claim my role after I've already been stuck obeying it -- that creates unnecessary doubts that I don't think would be healthy for this town. I'm laying it out in my first post much like a miller would. I value transparency.

hmm. Okay.

[Epignosis]

It appears that Epignosis believes, like the majority of the thread, that Kitsu is a clear townread, and that he thinks that Colin and Wilgy are better options for suspicion.

The issue I see with this post is that I asked him right away, "Why should I think Colin and Wilgy are bad?" and he didn't respond to it or try for further dialogue. That increases my suspicion of him.

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Second, I didn't just give the reason I badded KitsuShel, I directly asked Epignosis about his post in an attempt to engage him, and he didn't reply.

Responses to these points, Epignosis?

I see that I did miss LC's question.

Kitsu posted and said howdy and something along the lines of "Shit you people don't shut up." I'm fine with that. Kitsu is new.

DrWilgy had posted and there was nothing in there that I could find worthy of calling good.

Colin hadn't posted at all.

I still don't see where LC asked me the second thing. Does the above address the issue?

[Funnygurl555]

woooooooooooooooooooo look at that epi case

Tell me what parts you liked best about it.

i agree with it ;______;

[Funnygurl555]

y'all my vote's really gonna stay on sprit huh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see that I did miss LC's question.

Kitsu posted and said howdy and something along the lines of "Shit you people don't shut up." I'm fine with that. Kitsu is new.

DrWilgy had posted and there was nothing in there that I could find worthy of calling good.

Colin hadn't posted at all.

I still don't see where LC asked me the second thing. Does the above address the issue?

I don't particularly care, but [mention]Long Con[/mention] did. There you are, LC. Tell me about Epi's reply.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

y'all my vote's really gonna stay on sprit huh

y

[Long Con]

That is right... I could see that role coming from Jack. I was imagining it from Jay's playbook, and it didn't compute.

I claimed it in my first post. Where was this perspective before?

I don't always have every thought I am capable of all at once.

I'll give you a pass for this because I think town JJJ does genuinely hop his vote around to try to solve people but if your vote doesn't end up back on LC by EoD and he flips scum I will make it my personal mission to get you lynched

I don’t know if I am supposed to interpret this as a vote demand, but I’m not taking chances with my role. Refer to my very first post.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I thought you were joking.

You must know how much this tempts me so.

I don't believe that for a second. You don't have a chip on your shoulder regarding yeeting me.

I don't know what you're saying here.

I mean, you're not eagerly waiting for the Big Chance To Yeet Long Con. Is that not the temptation of which you speak?

The notion of just telling JJJ to vote someone different every 37 seconds is the temptation of which I speak.

My bad.

@Long Con
whats your thoughts on kitsu again?

The townread that everyone has is unwarranted, but I'm understanding and sympathetic about expectations for more due to the new-forum thing. Although several people in this game are pretty similarly new, and dove right in.

[Hally]

honestly idek if sprit is a wolf

what wolf shows up, is like “im not doing anything,” votes a widely tr player, refuses to explain that vote when directly asked and then self votes

like... what is that. what does w!sprit think hes getting doing that

[Epignosis]

Is the deadline truly at 10:15pm EST?

I could have sworn it was 9 something last time I looked.

If so, bless. Pyre's Day 5 ends at 9:02pm EST.

[Long Con]

It appears that Epignosis believes, like the majority of the thread, that Kitsu is a clear townread, and that he thinks that Colin and Wilgy are better options for suspicion.

The issue I see with this post is that I asked him right away, "Why should I think Colin and Wilgy are bad?" and he didn't respond to it or try for further dialogue. That increases my suspicion of him.

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Second, I didn't just give the reason I badded KitsuShel, I directly asked Epignosis about his post in an attempt to engage him, and he didn't reply.

Responses to these points, Epignosis?

I see that I did miss LC's question.

Kitsu posted and said howdy and something along the lines of "Shit you people don't shut up." I'm fine with that. Kitsu is new.

DrWilgy had posted and there was nothing in there that I could find worthy of calling good.

Colin hadn't posted at all.

I still don't see where LC asked me the second thing. Does the above address the issue?

The second thing is a reference to the first thing. Same-same. You know, this reveals that you handwaved my case without even reading the whole thing. I guess the parts you didn't read were the parts you said your weren't responding to.

[Epignosis]

It appears that Epignosis believes, like the majority of the thread, that Kitsu is a clear townread, and that he thinks that Colin and Wilgy are better options for suspicion.

The issue I see with this post is that I asked him right away, "Why should I think Colin and Wilgy are bad?" and he didn't respond to it or try for further dialogue. That increases my suspicion of him.

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Second, I didn't just give the reason I badded KitsuShel, I directly asked Epignosis about his post in an attempt to engage him, and he didn't reply.

Responses to these points, Epignosis?

I see that I did miss LC's question.

Kitsu posted and said howdy and something along the lines of "Shit you people don't shut up." I'm fine with that. Kitsu is new.

DrWilgy had posted and there was nothing in there that I could find worthy of calling good.

Colin hadn't posted at all.

I still don't see where LC asked me the second thing. Does the above address the issue?

The second thing is a reference to the first thing. Same-same. You know, this reveals that you handwaved my case without even reading the whole thing. I guess the parts you didn't read were the parts you said your weren't responding to.

Of course I'm going to "handwave" your "case." I'm not voting for myself. If you have something you want me to address, please do so in a couple of lines or three. I'm doing four things right now.

[KitsuShel]

I see that I did miss LC's question.

Kitsu posted and said howdy and something along the lines of "Shit you people don't shut up." I'm fine with that. Kitsu is new.

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[DrWilgy]

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

And what did you like about it?

His reads sound like they come from a real place. If the "Nanook is unlynchable d1" thing is a true statement and was left at that, then I don't see that coming from a civ mindset. The notion shuts down discussion of potential suspects.

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

how do you read lc?

I like his case. Saw an argument against LC being meta based regarding his frustration? I think that's NAI. That's pretty much all I got ta say about that.

Is Long Con a civilian?

Idk. Alot of people seem to read him as bad and I more so read him as neutral. That was the only reason why I voiced what I did. Just to give an opinion.

You just said it to give an opinion that is basically “I have no opinion,” am I understanding this correctly?

No more so wanting to voice that a frustrated lc isn't alignment indicative and I don't think that should be a reason for scum reading him in effort to prevent potential mistakes.

Now, if it's more than that and I haven't read far enough, feel free to disregard that comment and proceed in however you read him.

[Epignosis]

I have supper and then a TABS tournament (don't ask).

I'll be back later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I guess FG is scum after all

[VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

Could you point to what precisely changed your mind in this moment?

[DrWilgy]

Idk. Alot of people seem to read him as bad and I more so read him as neutral. That was the only reason why I voiced what I did. Just to give an opinion.

How can you feel he's neutral if you also feel his case "came from a real place"?

A real place reflects the emotion he put into it and I feel no manipulation or force to the opinions, but in contrast to this, I'm well aware of how little I've read of the thread and it's hard to give a townread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I did a blind interaction review of the seven players I included in my previous POE pool:



Green = I don't think they look very compatible as mafia teammates

Yellow = I have no reason to say they're not compatible as mafia teammates.

Orange = They look like they could be compatible as mafia teammates.

• I did not take dedicated notes for all of this. I don't want to spam the thread with mass analysis right now. Nonetheless, if anyone wants details about any of these takes, just ask and I can dig up the relevant points that led me here.

• This is a positive review for Alison, who for various reasons doesn't look like a great fit to me with most other suspects. I am sure she is capable of making these look good, but for now that is not my concern.

• It's decent as well for Tony who I think dissociates well from enough players and leaves only awkward team dynamics behind when you look at the other intersections (e.g. Tony/Wilgy/FG/Colin creates an FG/Colin green discrepancy).

• It's a mixed bag for FG who can be split from a few people but can also fit cleanly into a Long Con or Wilgy team (both I find plenty plausible).

• Long Con looks bad. His best fits are with two other major suspects and I could only separate him from the two lowest-level suspects (Tony and Alison).

• Colin has barely posted, so a pile of yellow is to be expected there.

• I realize this table is not exhaustive, as I have left out my stronger civilian reads. These things explode factorially as you add new names, and I don't have time for that right now. If you, anyone, feels a critical name is missing then I encourage you to dig into those interactions for yourself.

• If you disagree with something up there, then yell about it.

[DrWilgy]

Can someone break down the gist of the LC, Sprit and FG wagons and then also tell me why Nanook isn't bad?

Nanook + Epi as an evil duo scares me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Not sure if Nanook hard defends scum buddy Epi knowing that scum buddy Epi might die. Reads genuine.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nanook lacks compatibility on teams I’d be particularly scared by.

[ColinIsCool]

Btw I have about 7 pages left to catch up on, but .... I’m a miller

how the heck did he read that so quickly? how did he get through so many posts before claiming miller? these questions are half serious.

I don’t have a job lol

[ColinIsCool]

WOW 30 pages to catch up on good lord

What's good, Colin?

Who's good, Colin?

Jay, Alison, NANOOK are my three amigos

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis what is your take on Long Con?

Would lynch.

Long Con isn't trying to figure me out. That big ass post (that everybody keeps calling a "case") is a bunch of observations, some of which are wrong, and I showed as much. I would understand his issue with being treated in a polar opposite way as Kitsu, but LC wants to harp on "I play differently and you aren't respecting that people play differently," which is horse manure. Nanook, Wisp, and (to lesser extent) I all go about this thing differently than say JJJ or Hally or

waves hand in the air to provide another name.

LC looks caught to me.

He has plenty of votes though, and I have time after supper to consider the other side of the coin.

This is a vague point that is difficult to qualify clearly: I don’t think “looks caught” is the sort of language a mafia-aligned Epignosis is most-inclined to use to express a fake suspicion.

[Funnygurl555]

y'all my vote's really gonna stay on sprit huh

y

never changed their vote

i ain't gonna deal with self-voters. it's my new rule(tm)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

y'all my vote's really gonna stay on sprit huh

y

never changed their vote

i ain't gonna deal with self-voters. it's my new rule(tm)

You could always preserve game integrity by night killing him.

[ColinIsCool]

I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

what

Yeah this was a weird post for me too.

[Millium]

y'all my vote's really gonna stay on sprit huh

y

never changed their vote

i ain't gonna deal with self-voters. it's my new rule(tm)

You could always preserve game integrity by night killing him.

I kek'd

[Millium]

I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

do tell?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Deadline in 75 minutes. It's looking decent that I'll be around. Let us go.

Everyone with a vote right now outside Epignosis is in my POE pool. That's agreeable. A bunch of 3-vote wagons is less agreeable. How do folks feel right now? Who should live? Who should die?

Words.

[Long Con]

I should live.

[Long Con]

Wilgy should live.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy should live.

why

[Long Con]

Funnygurl maybe should live. I mindmelded with her a bit, which I like, but she could very well be bad.

[Long Con]

Wilgy should live.

why

I have a reason, and it's [redacted].

[Long Con]

sprityo, I haven't really looked at yet.

[Long Con]

Join me on Epignosis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy should live.

why

I have a reason, and it's [redacted].

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Join me on Epignosis.

I don't want to chop Epignosis. I am reminded of something on that note. Stand by.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m staying put. See y’all tmrw

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spoiler: show

@Long Con what is your read on Epignosis?

Monday he was mostly mechanics and jokes. Questions Nanook's townlean on him, nothing much to work with.
Tuesday he calls you out for not posting... I think that happened in a recent game or something? Were you scum in that? I forget. Still pretty level 0 null read.
Throws a vote on Colin the nonposter, which doesn't really impress me with towniness, I guess it's an extension of the mindset that called you out earlier. Still mostly banter.
Town read on Nanook, pretty uncontroversial, some issue I have with all of Kitsu's reads.

Says Nanook is unlynchable on Day 1.

I don't like that. I don't know if town Epignosis just accepts someone being unlynchable, let alone proposes it. I expect an "I'll lynch anyone, any day, if I think they're bad, and if you don't like it, stick it" attitude from Epignosis, so this rings fake on a reread.

"Alison has a 23 posts to 0 instances of the word "pure" ratio." Half joke, half possibly-apt analysis. I like this post a little more than I disliked the last one.

His response to the sauces is okayish. Toe the party line on town reads, and question the ones with less aggressive early solving, maybe?

Questions FG's post in a pretty neutral way. Feels like he should have something more to say, or at least engage with it a little more. Is it an FG suspicion?

Tosses bad reads on low posters in GTH, the only mildly interesting call is his bad on FG, which I guess is based on the line above this one. More funnygurl shade soon follows, for posting but "saying nothing".

Then he votes for DrWilgy, which is, as I said yesterday when looking over Wilgy's meagre ISO, super-weak. What happened to the almost 100% funnygurl-only suspicion line? Was that just for w/w show?

Epignosis is not a town read.

The color coding here indicates my interpretation of the level of suspicion you are voicing for Epignosis (trust is green, null is yellow, suspicion is orange, at varying levels). It's not clear what inspired you to make the declaration at the bottom there given a pretty tame review above it.

[Alison]

i struggle to see how or why my “awkward” interactions with one player who you dont even think im teamed with should cancel out everything else townish about me

whats your thought process here?

My thought process is that you did some townie things and some scummy things so they roughly cancel out.

[Long Con]

Only one post out of all of them was a town read, along with several bad reads.