Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[TonyStarkPrime]

was playing civ, what's happened

[Long Con]

was playing civ, what's happened

Jack surprise ended today 15 minutes early, with funnygurl leading the poll by one vote. Nobody was lynched.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

what

Yeah this was a weird post for me too.

wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

was playing civ, what's happened

Jack surprise ended today 15 minutes early, with funnygurl leading the poll by one vote. Nobody was lynched.

nice!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Seeing how willing people are to move based on your claim then flipping you is hugely informative imo

[TonyStarkPrime]

I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

do tell?

he fails GTH and doesn't point it out, he does the bad mechanics talk (10v5), I think he interesting telled, chainsaw defense, mechanical reasons about his role, and so on. Jay, of course, is not concerned. I don't expect him to be.

[TonyStarkPrime]

its extremely weird to me that two people just sheep lc onto epi and idk what it means

I think it means that everyone who did the sheeping is scummy and is trying to push a counterwagon to LC.

I took a mental step back here and re-read the posts to see if I was maybe being too tunnelled but I don't think I am. It's just a scummy vote progression.

okay, wolf team is me/someone/lc. Solved it.

[Pawn Lelouch]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Directed chaos forces urgency. Urgency means people have less time to plan posts, so anything they say usually has higher odds of being more genuine than most other posts, even as town, since there is still going to be less of the normal proofreading, sentence structure work, etc. If you want to get honesty out of players and force people to take sides? It's a good way to do it and fits perfectly well as a town play, especially if onto someone that is a suspect.

Even accounting for your viewpoint being biased by not wanting to go down, I don't get how and why you're unable to see any sort of town intention within the play. It's off to say the least considering that its obvious.

Also hey Wisp, it'll be fun to finally play a game with you. ^_^

[Long Con]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Seeing how willing people are to move based on your claim then flipping you is hugely informative imo

Fair.

[Long Con]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Directed chaos forces urgency. Urgency means people have less time to plan posts, so anything they say usually has higher odds of being more genuine than most other posts, even as town, since there is still going to be less of the normal proofreading, sentence structure work, etc. If you want to get honesty out of players and force people to take sides? It's a good way to do it and fits perfectly well as a town play, especially if onto someone that is a suspect.

Even accounting for your viewpoint being biased by not wanting to go down, I don't get how and why you're unable to see any sort of town intention within the play. It's off to say the least considering that its obvious.

Also hey Wisp, it'll be fun to finally play a game with you. ^_^

I'm not unable to see it when it is presented to me, I reacted from a different perspective.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

he fails GTH and doesn't point it out, he does the bad mechanics talk (10v5), I think he interesting telled, chainsaw defense, mechanical reasons about his role, and so on. Jay, of course, is not concerned. I don't expect him to be.

I pointed out my GTH ratio. I'm not chopping myself. -- I could be wrong to suggest 10v5 is plausible. You'd know better than I would HCR boy. I did mention that 9:4 example in the one HCR game I played as town. So I don't take that for granted from Jack. The rest of those things whatever

[Hally]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Directed chaos forces urgency. Urgency means people have less time to plan posts, so anything they say usually has higher odds of being more genuine than most other posts, even as town, since there is still going to be less of the normal proofreading, sentence structure work, etc. If you want to get honesty out of players and force people to take sides? It's a good way to do it and fits perfectly well as a town play, especially if onto someone that is a suspect.

Even accounting for your viewpoint being biased by not wanting to go down, I don't get how and why you're unable to see any sort of town intention within the play. It's off to say the least considering that its obvious.

Also hey Wisp, it'll be fun to finally play a game with you. ^_^

this

i often intentionally create chaos at EoD’s because the shifting sands can be hard for wolves to navigate and theyre more likely to make mistakes

[Long Con]

I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

do tell?

he fails GTH and doesn't point it out, he does the bad mechanics talk (10v5), I think he interesting telled, chainsaw defense, mechanical reasons about his role, and so on. Jay, of course, is not concerned. I don't expect him to be.

I recall that he did point out his poor performance, and brushed it off for obvious reasons. Do you think he should have cased himself objectively?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Kind of darkly entertaining that my biggest concern leading up to EOD was that both myself and jay might not make it, then we both make it and shit still goes sideways

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[Hally]

jay if you dont vote yourself youre a wolf

[Funnygurl555]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

[Long Con]

jay if you dont vote yourself youre a wolf

The logic is undeniable.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t particularly like chaotic EODs most of the time, I don’t believe they’re broadly good, but if one is already happening might as well take advantage of it and try to make the best of the situation

[Long Con]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

Are you, like, some sort of big game hunter or something?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ, I also disagree with your definition of opportunism. Me going after someone who was an easy yeet would be opportunism, me going after someone that you and Nanook don't want to yeet is kind of the opposite, isn't it?

You could make that argument. I am speaking from a mindset of teamwork and POE. After what we'd worked to build in this thread collectively on Day 1, a mischop of Epignosis would absolutely ruin that work. He's outside the POE pool, is a good and capable solver, and was pushed in the stead of people in the pool. That's a potentially game-destroying mistake if Epi is a civilian, and anything pushing that way is something I didn't care for.

It's a new phase so I'll consider what you said about Epi with a fresh mind.

[Hally]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

what did lc claim? what are you claiming? how are you two linked? why didnt you die? why dont you care? why is jack so evil? am i going insane?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

[Funnygurl555]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

Are you, like, some sort of big game hunter or something?

nah im just town with a wonky role LOL

[Long Con]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

Who even says m/m

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

Did we let sprityo live? Who did that exactly?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

LC sifted a claim of *something,* implied he was potentially lovers with like eight different people, has now said he’s not a lover. Idk what to make of this tbh.

[Funnygurl555]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

what did lc claim? what are you claiming? how are you two linked? why didnt you die? why dont you care? why is jack so evil? am i going insane?

tbh idk what lc claimed 'cause i can't pick up on softs for shit but it doesn't matter. im shielding this guy

i don't think we're linked at all-- y'all linked us together

i knew i wasn't gonna die

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

Who even says m/m

People that play MAFIA

[Long Con]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

Did we let sprityo live? Who did that exactly?

No one let anything happen, everyone thought we had 15 more minutes for happenings.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ve only played half a game of WEREWOLF and it got aborted halfway through so it doesn’t count

[Funnygurl555]

anyways all speculation about me being scum from this is absolute horseshit. the only mechanic town have to kill scum is through execution. it doesn't make sense for me to be scum, only 3p or town. honestly 3p sounds like the more likely option here... but y'all really out here with the scum stuff

cut it out. stop talking about me, PLEASE. move on.

[Long Con]

LC sifted a claim of *something,* implied he was potentially lovers with like eight different people, has now said he’s not a lover. Idk what to make of this tbh.

I never implied that, and how am I now some sort of Mega slut, there was one comment that had the word love in it, and like I said, it was a joke.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s not uncommon here for scum to have a role that lets them survive a TK

[TonyStarkPrime]

The youtube video linked in the EOD post has a title that is suggestive. I don't know if I am supposed to care. HC Realms often has informative flavor. Maybe. @TonyStarkPrime whaddya think

fg is jack sparrow. that's all. nai.

[Long Con]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

Who even says m/m

People that play MAFIA

I'm adopting it, permanently, right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

anyways all speculation about me being scum from this is absolute horseshit. the only mechanic town have to kill scum is through execution. it doesn't make sense for me to be scum, only 3p or town. honestly 3p sounds like the more likely option here... but y'all really out here with the scum stuff

cut it out. stop talking about me, PLEASE. move on.

I have seen chop-proof mafia plenty of times. Meh.

What did you dislike about Alison at EOD?

[Funnygurl555]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

Did we let sprityo live? Who did that exactly?

No one let anything happen, everyone thought we had 15 more minutes for happenings.

they were still frozen for a bit though even with nanook protesting. they didn't need the extra 15 minutes to shift their votes off of you or me.

[Funnygurl555]

alison was frozen

[TonyStarkPrime]

ya, thought we had 15 more minutes too

anyways see y'all tomorrow

weht

[Hally]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

what did lc claim? what are you claiming? how are you two linked? why didnt you die? why dont you care? why is jack so evil? am i going insane?

tbh idk what lc claimed 'cause i can't pick up on softs for shit but it doesn't matter. im shielding this guy

i don't think we're linked at all-- y'all linked us together

i knew i wasn't gonna die

how did you know that? your role is yeetproof? be specific please

also why does lc soft claiming make him town? im 99% sure everyone in this game has some kind of role they can claim and wolves have fake claims. whats your logic behind shielding him?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

LC sifted a claim of *something,* implied he was potentially lovers with like eight different people, has now said he’s not a lover. Idk what to make of this tbh.

I never implied that, and how am I now some sort of Mega slut, there was one comment that had the word love in it, and like I said, it was a joke.

Tasteless joke

Idk I thought you were implying it, you kept making love and love-adjacent comments (to wilgy, FG, sprit, IIRC), I inferred a potential lovers claim before the last one to sprit

[Long Con]

alison was frozen

That was very clear for quite some time before the yeet.

[Hally]

anyways all speculation about me being scum from this is absolute horseshit. the only mechanic town have to kill scum is through execution. it doesn't make sense for me to be scum, only 3p or town. honestly 3p sounds like the more likely option here... but y'all really out here with the scum stuff

cut it out. stop talking about me, PLEASE. move on.

are you claiming 3P?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m not anticipating a single cop existing in this game tbh

I’m pretty annoyed we didn’t get those extra 10 minutes I was planning a “naw we’re just killing LC” swing back, and now we have no flip at all. Not great.

Actually it is a good thing. And that's kind of uncalled for and suspicious. Why add chaos intentionally to the end of the day? How is that even remotely town?

Seeing how willing people are to move based on your claim then flipping you is hugely informative imo

Fair.

fair enough tell get em

[Long Con]

LC sifted a claim of *something,* implied he was potentially lovers with like eight different people, has now said he’s not a lover. Idk what to make of this tbh.

I never implied that, and how am I now some sort of Mega slut, there was one comment that had the word love in it, and like I said, it was a joke.

Tasteless joke

Idk I thought you were implying it, you kept making love and love-adjacent comments (to wilgy, FG, sprit, IIRC), I inferred a potential lovers claim before the last one to sprit

No, don't think that, those were not secret codes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

they were still frozen for a bit though even with nanook protesting. they didn't need the extra 15 minutes to shift their votes off of you or me.

I intended to use all of that time to come to my final decision.

Did you intend to force me to vote for you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

fg needs to full claim and all that

[Hally]

alison was frozen

why would w!alison be frozen with you and lc as wagons? what does this mean?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I doubt there's not a vig in this game so probably sooner rather than later

[Hally]

yeah fg if you dont full claim and be as transparent as possible youre very likely gonna die if theres a vig