Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

#2951

The KitsuShel miller slip thing could have just been NAI now that I’m reflecting on it more.

#2952

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:02 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:52 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:05 am if daisy was redirected or something

whoever did that action knows the identity of the real 3p

if you are town, you MUST claim who you redirected daisy to

that will out the 3P

if it was a scum action they wont claim it but theyll probably off the 3P for us
I'll nip this.

If you are scum and have a controlled misdirect, claim your action. Pretend to be town. Get off the hook, we won't kill scum today. Do it now.
Is this like a Socratic trap or something
no that would involve asking about horses or something. I'm just giving straight advice to the scum team

Lmao why

#2953

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:03 pm I understand the current POE pool feeling too easy, or feeling default. Those aren't things I tend to concern myself with, because I view them as distant cousins of the gambler's fallacy. Still, I am open to hearing suspicions of/cases against the remainder of the game. If you accept the premise that today's claim shenanigans clear this group: Wisp, Hally, Long Con, and Spacedaisy, then you're left with the following names to pick at:

ColinIsCool
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch

None of these people are "cleared". So have at it. Tell me what your worries are. Tell them what your worries are. I direct this to anyone in general.

sabie has half a dozen things going for her. Kitsu ... can be a wolf? No the miller claim is a soft clear. Also probably doesn't kill Nanook but that's subtle. Wilgy is townish. Colin is maybe trending town. Epi trending wolf, seriously there's nothing towny there. Alison is a ???, different from the last game but could go either way. There are a few things that pushed me in a positive direction here now that I think about it. Jay is still on the wolfy side but I don't think can reasonably be a wolf without this poe still getting one hit and the SK. Jay should sort himself out thus. Pawn most likely wolf but colin most likely scum hit overall, changing my opinion. But maybe not Jay/Pawn. I dunno. Epi/Pawn/Kitsu? Or Epi/Pawn/Alison?

per "feeling too easy", I mean, if I walk into a game and the poe is Wilgy, Colin, and the replacement, my thought isn't "too easy" my thought is "something is wrong"

#2954

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:02 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:52 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:05 am if daisy was redirected or something

whoever did that action knows the identity of the real 3p

if you are town, you MUST claim who you redirected daisy to

that will out the 3P

if it was a scum action they wont claim it but theyll probably off the 3P for us
I'll nip this.

If you are scum and have a controlled misdirect, claim your action. Pretend to be town. Get off the hook, we won't kill scum today. Do it now.
Is this like a Socratic trap or something
no that would involve asking about horses or something. I'm just giving straight advice to the scum team
Lmao why

if they take it the game is easier for all of us, if they don't it probably means they have no clue who the serial killer is

#2955

i get the concerns about the poe seeming too easy but at the same time like

if people dont post themselves clear i cant clear them

still kinda feels like D1 because we dont even have fg’s flip

if we did and she was scum i could do more stuff with that but as it stands the only info we have is

- nanook was town, which we all already thought
- fg was... something
- long con is town, which yay
- me, wisp and daisy are town, which... cool everyone thought that too already

so like, our town core has certainly been sured up but our poe has not yet really been resolved outside of knowing lc’s alignment

whoever janitored fg will hear from my lawyer because i badly wanted that flip

#2956

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 pm The KitsuShel miller slip thing could have just been NAI now that I’m reflecting on it more.

elaborate?

#2957

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:23 pm if people dont post themselves clear i cant clear them

I would but I'm doing a lot of jury work plus law school prep and searching. Which is not at all AI, more just me apologizing for the relative dearth of posts and info.

#2958

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:23 pm if people dont post themselves clear i cant clear them
I would but I'm doing a lot of jury work plus law school prep and searching. Which is not at all AI, more just me apologizing for the relative dearth of posts and info.

no worries, i get people can be busy

question though: i feel like its now a couple of times where you pop in to respond to a very recent post

are you watching the thread and not commenting?

#2959

[mention]KitsuShel[/mention] where are you at with reads?

#2960

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:36 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:23 pm if people dont post themselves clear i cant clear them
I would but I'm doing a lot of jury work plus law school prep and searching. Which is not at all AI, more just me apologizing for the relative dearth of posts and info.
no worries, i get people can be busy

question though: i feel like its now a couple of times where you pop in to respond to a very recent post

are you watching the thread and not commenting?

More that when I start feeling burned out on writing I pop over to this tab to do catchup and reset on that front a bit.

Where I feel I need to give some show that I'm alive despite not really wanting to write long posts. So it's more that I'm commenting only when I'm reading the thread? If that makes sense.

#2961

tbh although i hate to disrespect nanooks legacy i uh

do feel like epi’s presence has been lacking a bit?

he feels kinda forgettable here? whereas in space invaders he was certainly not

but at the same time when epi posts i like them and his iso still feels ~fine

its just... i feel hes a bit lacking in impact?

#2962

Referring back to my blind interactions to check possible teams of three among this group:

Alison
ColinIsCool
DrWilgy
Pawnyo
TonyStarkPrime

Spoiler: show

Caveats and notes:

~ Tony and Alison emerge in good shape, but before I act on that I want to reassess more thoroughly the interactions that I had "greened" previously.

~ The three more general POE pool players (Colin, DrWilgy, and Pawnyo) can all fit into a few teams most predominantly with each other.

~ Most of these fits are on the basis of "yellow" connections, however -- I don't have compelling connections. I simply lack compelling dissociations.

~ Some of the most recent thread information is not reflected.

~ If Funnygurl was a mafioso, then this entire thing is much less meaningful. But

#2963

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:40 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:36 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:23 pm if people dont post themselves clear i cant clear them
I would but I'm doing a lot of jury work plus law school prep and searching. Which is not at all AI, more just me apologizing for the relative dearth of posts and info.
no worries, i get people can be busy

question though: i feel like its now a couple of times where you pop in to respond to a very recent post

are you watching the thread and not commenting?
More that when I start feeling burned out on writing I pop over to this tab to do catchup and reset on that front a bit.

Where I feel I need to give some show that I'm alive despite not really wanting to write long posts. So it's more that I'm commenting only when I'm reading the thread? If that makes sense.

ok carry on

#2964

not having that fg flip really hurts us

its hard to know where we stand now tbh

#2965

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 pm The KitsuShel miller slip thing could have just been NAI now that I’m reflecting on it more.

Tried that one already. Literally no one is in a place where they are prepared to consider it.

#2966

i will say that kitsu has fallen off since D1

feels like i dont really know where shes at atm

#2967

Y'all know what we need?

It's Exercise Time. Everyone get out your sweat bands and change into your tanktops. We're about to get sweaty.

It's a Trustfall

Please, if you would, copy this player list into a post (or quote it). Then, for each player listed, indicate briefly what you feel are the best reasons you can think of to call that player a civilian.

ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
Hally
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch

#2968

im gonna pass on that for now because i honestly dont remember a lot of what people have said lol

probably gonna do some isos and see

#2969

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 pm The KitsuShel miller slip thing could have just been NAI now that I’m reflecting on it more.
elaborate?

I dunno I guess I don’t think for sure that it’s something a scum wouldn’t be able to still mistake or fake. It’d be really easy to, actually

#2970

why did we think kitsu’s miller thing was soft clearing? i dont even remember tbh

#2971

Reasons to be town thing-

ColinIsCool uh he more recently has tried to get involved I guess

Long Con Recent events with the role card thing

TonyStarkPrime seems like his usual town meta

DrWilgy I've seen him get mislynched for inactivity before.

Spacedaisy when she is here she seems genuine in her reads and posting

Wisp the situation earlier with the role card thing seemed genuine

KitsuShel I don't know not much doesn't seem super sketchy I guess.

sabie12 my role pm

Epignosis when he is here he is his usual joking self I guess.

Alison seems to be putting in effort for reads and stuff.

JaggedJimmyJay trying to get town to work together

Hally seems genuine in her posting

sprityo/Pawn Lelouch could just be too busy to be super involved.

#2972

Long Con - semi cleared
TonyStarkPrime - acting differently than I remember as scum (Fallout?)
DrWilgy - within town meta
Spacedaisy - forthright and unpretentious
Wisp - semi cleared
KitsuShel - miller slip
sabie12 - within town meta
Epignosis - within town meta
Alison - supertowning it D1
JaggedJimmyJay - supertowning it
Hally - semi cleared
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch - sprit didn’t give me bad vibes

#2973

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:45 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 pm The KitsuShel miller slip thing could have just been NAI now that I’m reflecting on it more.
Tried that one already. Literally no one is in a place where they are prepared to consider it.

it'd point to certain scum teams that are reflected more heavily in the poe

#2974

like wilgy/kitsu/Colin? yeah makes perfect sense

#2975

are we playing reasons to be town the game

#2976

tbh im probably gonna let epi and kitsu be for a while just so i dont incur the Wrath Of Nanook if i put them back in my poe incorrectly

In Nanook We Trust

#2977

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
I can definitely do it either tonight or tomorrkw

#2978

ColinIsCool - entrance was strong, offering different takes on game state
Long Con - mechanics
TonyStarkPrime - supatown
DrWilgy - hasn't been here in a while
Spacedaisy - mechanics??
Wisp - mechanics, offering off the wall takes, general demeanor
KitsuShel - trying hard, miller claim
sabie12 - half a dozen soft derps, in town meta
Epignosis - seems earnest, in town meta
Alison - seems earnest, putting in posts
JaggedJimmyJay - aggressively trying to solve the game
Hally - first miller claim, towny demeanor, good reaction to something
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch - PRobably not 3p because reasons, hard to read the spot as any less than null

#2979

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:38 pm @KitsuShel where are you at with reads?

I’m still about where I was earlier, with a few slight changes.

One thing I’d like to suggest, though, after reading both write ups. Jack Daws comes across more like a Vig than a SK to me, def not mafia. Jack the Ripper (if that’s Nanook’s killer) could be mafia, but would fit better as a SK.

*If* those things are correct, that would possibly mean that the mafia hit was blocked last night. But I’m torn on that idea, because write up copping happens a lot on Realms. Like, when someone is blocked or jailkept from there target, there’s oftentimes a vague mention of something like that happening in the write up.

But here there’s just the two kill scenes. I’m not sure if that’s just the Syndicate style or not, though.

#2980

I would also think that Jack Daws as a character is more likely a vig.

#2981

And it's obviously jack daws.

#2982

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:58 pm why did we think kitsu’s miller thing was soft clearing? i dont even remember tbh

Because I was unfamiliar with the term. I also claimed to be a Miller+.

I’ll even go so far as to say that I can’t use the + part every night. It’s an every other type thing.

#2983

Kitsu have you taken a look at the night 0 write up?

#2984

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:38 pm @KitsuShel where are you at with reads?
I’m still about where I was earlier, with a few slight changes.

One thing I’d like to suggest, though, after reading both write ups. Jack Daws comes across more like a Vig than a SK to me, def not mafia. Jack the Ripper (if that’s Nanook’s killer) could be mafia, but would fit better as a SK.

*If* those things are correct, that would possibly mean that the mafia hit was blocked last night. But I’m torn on that idea, because write up copping happens a lot on Realms. Like, when someone is blocked or jailkept from there target, there’s oftentimes a vague mention of something like that happening in the write up.

But here there’s just the two kill scenes. I’m not sure if that’s just the Syndicate style or not, though.

ok you are back to being a tr i think

#2985

Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

#2986

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:01 pm Long Con - semi cleared
TonyStarkPrime - acting differently than I remember as scum (Fallout?)
DrWilgy - within town meta
Spacedaisy - forthright and unpretentious
Wisp - semi cleared
KitsuShel - miller slip
sabie12 - within town meta
Epignosis - within town meta
Alison - supertowning it D1
JaggedJimmyJay - supertowning it
Hally - semi cleared
sprityo/Pawn Lelouch - sprit didn’t give me bad vibes

Just out of curiosity, why would you call it a Miller slip? I was like, the fourth person who claimed to be one and it def wasn’t a slip.

#2987

[mention]KitsuShel[/mention] for context, in the vast majority of Syndicate games, the "writeup" does not contain any relevant information about the game. It's purely flavor. There have been exceptions, and Jack is a Realmser at heart, so it's plausible -- but it's not something I have been paying much attention to.

#2988

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:21 pm Kitsu have you taken a look at the night 0 write up?

Yep, twice actually.

#2989

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 pm Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

the person who killed FG. read the flavor.

#2990

I'll try to parse N0 some time, haven't quite figured it out yet.

#2991

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:24 pm Anyone that wants to trustfall is free to. It's not required homework -- just a way to sort your feelings. I can't right now anyway; the work monster is upon me.

I don't know what Jack Daws is. I probably ignored some flavor somewhere

Jack Daw, I don’t know why I added the s. He was a Minuteman in the 100 Bullets comic.

#2992

All right. Let's see where I was.

Sang "Babylon Sisters" by Steely Dan and in memory of the late Charlie Daniels, I also sang "Long Haired Country Boy" during Friday night family karaoke.

I'm here now.

#2993

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:30 pm I'll try to parse N0 some time, haven't quite figured it out yet.

I don’t quite get it all, tbh. I recognized Daw from being called a monster and the part about only saving one bullet. Assuming the person talking to him in N0 was Agent Graves. No clue on the blond man.

#2994

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:38 pm @KitsuShel where are you at with reads?
I’m still about where I was earlier, with a few slight changes.

One thing I’d like to suggest, though, after reading both write ups. Jack Daws comes across more like a Vig than a SK to me, def not mafia. Jack the Ripper (if that’s Nanook’s killer) could be mafia, but would fit better as a SK.

*If* those things are correct, that would possibly mean that the mafia hit was blocked last night. But I’m torn on that idea, because write up copping happens a lot on Realms. Like, when someone is blocked or jailkept from there target, there’s oftentimes a vague mention of something like that happening in the write up.

But here there’s just the two kill scenes. I’m not sure if that’s just the Syndicate style or not, though.

Maybe it is a vig and an SK, and the scum kill was blocked or protected.

#2995

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:31 pm All right. Let's see where I was.

Sang "Babylon Sisters" by Steely Dan and in memory of the late Charlie Daniels, I also sang "Long Haired Country Boy" during Friday night family karaoke.

I'm here now.

I have a version of uneasy rider that I've used a few times.

#2996

I moved my vote from Colin to Wilgy just because.

#2997

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:08 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:49 am Little Lou, Ugly JACK, Prophet John, Belle and Sebastian
What prompted this? I haven't listened to the vocaroo
Just felt like being thematic. It’s irrelevant.

Everything is relevant. JJJ needs a touch of reverb.

#2998

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:36 am
KitsuShel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:51 am Anyone else that wouldn't kill Nanook? Maybe Kitsu? Let's WIFOM for days

WIFOM?
wine in front of me

the circular reasoning that results from someone knowing their actions will be subject to scrutiny

i.e. epi wouldnt kill nanook. but he would know we’d think he wouldnt kill nanook so hed kill him to clear himself. but he would know wed suspect just that so he wouldnt kill him after all. but... and so on

Tonight it's the Campari in front of me.

#2999

No Negroni without Campari!

#3000

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] you have seemed pretty comfortable in this game operating within the "POE" system some of us have been promoting, lending to your willingness to eliminate "not civilian" players instead of "mafia" players (by appearances). Would you say this is an accurate assessment, and is it typical of you?

Which Jack must go?