I have to imagine there's a good chance that Wisp sees the fake-claim. Otherwise, it's a pretty damn powerful role.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:11 pmwe dont know, thats what we’re talking about nowColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:10 pm So the rules say there are fake claims given to anti-town players. How do we imagine Wisp's role interacts with those?
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your attempt to shift LC out of the lock town pool has been deniedColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:14 pmI have to imagine there's a good chance that Wisp sees the fake-claim. Otherwise, it's a pretty damn powerful role.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:11 pmwe dont know, thats what we’re talking about nowColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:10 pm So the rules say there are fake claims given to anti-town players. How do we imagine Wisp's role interacts with those?
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i mean, that makes sense
having a town role that can peek at the true role card of anyone kinda like... defeats the point of giving wolves fake role cards in the first place
idk man. i trust wisps result on lc though
having a town role that can peek at the true role card of anyone kinda like... defeats the point of giving wolves fake role cards in the first place
idk man. i trust wisps result on lc though
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I don't think it defeats the point. Fake role cards exist to stop mass claiming, not to protect from cops
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Anyway, that's the extent to which I am willing to solve the host -- especially a host that has explicitly said it's a bad idea in his games.
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To be clear I believe that it is correct for us to treat all of Wisp's investigation results as correct until we have hard evidence that they are wrong (eg. everyone in the game has been checked green by Wisp but the game has not ended), or until very late in the game where we have to make endgame decisions. Until then I will not accept attempts to cast doubt on players who have been rolecop checked green in a game where our strong confirmed-town core is our best asset
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maybeeee
this is not a normal game though, expect the unexpected, etc
jack literally said in the op not everything he tells us is necessarily true
this is not a normal game though, expect the unexpected, etc
jack literally said in the op not everything he tells us is necessarily true
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To be honest, Long Con's appeals in Night 1 were kinda pulling me away from that mafia read anyway. So when Wisp revealed, it just made sense.
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I don't believe in eating our own tail in an attempt to play WIFOM against the host.
If you are paranoid about rolecop-Godfather deepwolfing in the town core, catch them at F3. Before then, focus on catching their buddies.
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same. i was already waning on that read so im not surprised at the result at all. plus how lc handled the claim was goodJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:24 pm To be honest, Long Con's appeals in Night 1 were kinda pulling me away from that mafia read anyway. So when Wisp revealed, it just made sense.
but like, if wisp got back a green on like pawn, i would be doubtful of that tbh
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i mean, i am doing that but i dont think we can be too cautious even if we dont do anything with that right now or for a long time
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These are the things towns talk about when they don't feel much controversy about who to chop.
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true lolJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:29 pm These are the things towns talk about when they don't feel much controversy about who to chop.
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EoD is in 6 hours, yes? I won't be around. Please try to make it more orderly than the last one.
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Yeah I'm not saying I think Long Con in particular is scum now or even that he deserves greater scrutiny, just that, let's not get too ahead of ourselves and forget about fakeclaims down the road. And in saying so I guess I am getting ahead of myself.
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i already have 650 posts
having open nights is not good for me. i need enforced silence
remind me never to do this again
having open nights is not good for me. i need enforced silence
remind me never to do this again
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I like open nights because it means I'm never stuck waiting around for the night to end when I'm a VT or whatever
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its now been almost 72 hrs since wilgy last posted
ive seen his name at the bottom of the thread at least once recently
i know hes alive
where oh where art thou wilgy?
ive seen his name at the bottom of the thread at least once recently
i know hes alive
where oh where art thou wilgy?
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Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:59 amYou don't get plasmids or anything? Not even a wrench?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:21 amMy role has no discernible value. It is explicitly crippled. If I have to go off explaining it later in a game then people like TonyStarkPrime think I'm a bullshitter and I just don't want to deal with that. That's not healthy for the civilian faction.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am I understand why. But like. You allow your role to be taken advantage of as quickly as possible for no discernable value.
I don't think Jay's claim holds up; if he weren't valuable to the town by the work he's doing AND if his claim didn't specifically fit into his playstyle I would consider it a mechanical reason to vote for him.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:01 pmEh?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:31 am Like. I get your logic. I think it's in profile for you too. But understand that if anyone else did it this way I'd probably be voting for them right now.
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At what point do you think he'll end up getting replaced? Unless he was silenced for the day?
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i dont know, thats not for me to speculate about. its up to jack
i dont know why wilgy would be silenced in particular when he hardly talked to begin with
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he's also jack torrance why are we trusting his abilities. A better option is that wisp chooses a target, that target confirms a target, hally watches the target's target and sees the action, and wisp sees if that action matches up with the role card.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:50 pmftr, im somewhat worried that wisp’s role may give him fake roles as a result instead of a real role card for at least some of the wolvesAlison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:48 pmyup! wisp's role allows them to obtain the actual rolecard of the target, not simply a guilty/innocent result. not only is this claimed, but hally's voyeur role (see what actions are performed on a target) has confirmed that wisp can indeed do this.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:46 pmWe do?
his role seems too powerful on its face for it to not be nerfed in some way. wolves have to have a way to counter that
Hally and Wisp should not target the same player regardless.
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that only works if the person has an active ability that i can see with my voyeurTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:48 pmhe's also jack torrance why are we trusting his abilities. A better option is that wisp chooses a target, that target confirms a target, hally watches the target's target and sees the action, and wisp sees if that action matches up with the role card.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:50 pmftr, im somewhat worried that wisp’s role may give him fake roles as a result instead of a real role card for at least some of the wolvesAlison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:48 pmyup! wisp's role allows them to obtain the actual rolecard of the target, not simply a guilty/innocent result. not only is this claimed, but hally's voyeur role (see what actions are performed on a target) has confirmed that wisp can indeed do this.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:46 pmWe do?
his role seems too powerful on its face for it to not be nerfed in some way. wolves have to have a way to counter that
Hally and Wisp should not target the same player regardless.
also they could just get redirected to someone else, in which case i wont know anything
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Wait has it been established that it's a cop?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:59 pm Wisp's claim is both a role cop and a cop, so I'd call it extremely powerful. I'm not concerning myself with that at the moment though.
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He sees the entire role card, yes. Role and alignment.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:52 pmWait has it been established that it's a cop?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:59 pm Wisp's claim is both a role cop and a cop, so I'd call it extremely powerful. I'm not concerning myself with that at the moment though.
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mehAlison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:20 pmyour attempt to shift LC out of the lock town pool has been deniedColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:14 pmI have to imagine there's a good chance that Wisp sees the fake-claim. Otherwise, it's a pretty damn powerful role.Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:11 pmwe dont know, thats what we’re talking about nowColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:10 pm So the rules say there are fake claims given to anti-town players. How do we imagine Wisp's role interacts with those?
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TSP I can't tell what the hell you've been saying for the past few posts, please try to explain yourself a bit more
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if we dont target the same people how do we know wisp is actually peeking who he saysTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:53 pmyes this and the active ability thing are thing's I've thought of. It's a stupid plan which is largely unnecessary. You guys shouldn't target the same people though
ig he can quiz them to see if they know the rolecard he saw
but they can just play dumb if theyre a wolf and be like “no you mustve gotten redirected im not a wolf”
my ability sucks. voyeur is the weakest investigative role by far. its only purpose really is to verify that actions were actually performed on a given target and thats what i should use it for
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i think me verifying that cop investigations actually peek who they intended to peek is about the best use of my role possible if we assume wolves have a redirector
voyeur is pretty useless otherwise lol
voyeur is pretty useless otherwise lol
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I mean it's at least giving us some info to go off of. I wouldn't say it's completely useless
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voyeurs are surprisingly useful with a bit of creativity. by combining your night results with people's behavior in thread, you can often identify who is the investigative or protective, and also figure out their results (for the investigative), all without them having to expose themselves in the thread
you can also do stuff like fakeclaim tracker and tell X player that you followed them to the person killed at night, then when they claim that they were investigating them or doing something else harmless, you reclaim voyeur and reveal that the only action they were targeted with was a killing role
lots of fun stuff if you think out of the box a little
you can also do stuff like fakeclaim tracker and tell X player that you followed them to the person killed at night, then when they claim that they were investigating them or doing something else harmless, you reclaim voyeur and reveal that the only action they were targeted with was a killing role
lots of fun stuff if you think out of the box a little
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yeah but like
right now, with the claims on the table and the info we have
the optimal use of my role is to verify cop checks
right now, with the claims on the table and the info we have
the optimal use of my role is to verify cop checks
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yeah i agree and I think you should target whoever wisp targeted just to make sure it's not a misdirect
also which people in our POE have claimed miller and which haven't?
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prioritize investigating those without miller claims. that way SD can get a useful check on them too and then the redirector can't target both wisp and SD so we're bound to get something useful
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Don't know if I'll be around for the rest of the phase so y'all have fun now
Don't know if I'll be around for the rest of the phase so y'all have fun now
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colin has claimed miller
i dont think wilgy and pawn have claimed anything
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at this stage in the game I am not going to believe any late miller claims. anyone who hasn't claimed miller yet will be assumed to not be a miller and any red checks on them by SD will be treated as legitimate
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okay then do thatHally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:56 pmif we dont target the same people how do we know wisp is actually peeking who he saysTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:53 pmyes this and the active ability thing are thing's I've thought of. It's a stupid plan which is largely unnecessary. You guys shouldn't target the same people though
ig he can quiz them to see if they know the rolecard he saw
but they can just play dumb if theyre a wolf and be like “no you mustve gotten redirected im not a wolf”
my ability sucks. voyeur is the weakest investigative role by far. its only purpose really is to verify that actions were actually performed on a given target and thats what i should use it for
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It's one post, town colin has no reason to support a pawn chop just the same, and all he said was that he didn't want to consolidate, which doesn't seem ai.
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