Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[KitsuShel]

I apologize. I shouldn't have said that.

Maybe, maybe not. But I can say that I fee you to the depths of my soul. I have to say that playing here with you guys for the last few days has been invigorating, if not frustrating af for me.

[KitsuShel]

I apologize. I shouldn't have said that.

Maybe, maybe not. But I can say that I fee you to the depths of my soul. I have to say that playing here with you guys for the last few days has been invigorating, if not frustrating af for me.

*Feel*

[Alison]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

[Alison]

I agree with the general sentiment that Epi doesn't look good here.


I also think sabie is deserving of more scrutiny but am fine waiting til we resolve more consensus poe suspects i guess. I dont find much inspiring in her iso though and particularly some of the way she talks about the miller stuff feels off.

In what way is the miller thing an issue? I was trying to clarify what wisp was saying in his post. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that a scum would claim to be a miller?

I have no problem with people checking my alignment/role. Feel free I'm town.

think this is town.

feels like someone being offended at being accused and almost wanting to be investigated so they can feel vindicated and "told you so"-ish when they get checked green

[Spacedaisy]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

I direct you to my actual action taken last night.

[Spacedaisy]

Back to homework, need to submit by midnight.

[Millium]

Should I be happy this game didnt move forward? lol
anyways nice

I got a thing last night

[mention]nutella[/mention]
tell me something about you

[Alison]

I don't understand why we would ever want Wisp and Daisy checking the same person. Neither of you need to say anymore than you want to say about this/who you're going for, but @Alison please clarify. That strikes me as a major waste.

because we suspect there is a scum redirector in the game. let's say wisp and daisy target whoever they want. the redirector hits wisp and redirects them, making their result useless. daisy targets [someone of their preference] and gets a result on that.

now consider the alternative idea. daisy and wisp both target the same person. this time, the scum redirector can't target both daisy and wisp. they'll still target wisp to deny max info, but daisy gets the check on the target anyway, and ends up targeting [target of town's preference].

in both cases, wisp gets redirected to someone else, so it's the same there. the difference is daisy's target. if you believe that [target of town's preference] is superior to [target of daisy's preference] - ie. if you believe that town combing through the POE and establishing the towncore over the past few dozen pages can come up with a better value investigation target than whoever daisy chooses to investigate, which I do, simply because town working together is better than one person working alone - then my strategy is superior.

you may be tempted to ask: why not have daisy investigate the target of our choice, and wisp investigates whoever they want to? Because then daisy gets redirected, and wisp investigates [target of their choice], while the investigation status of the person that town chose daisy to investigate is still unknown. so it's still [target of wisp's choice] vs [target of our choice] being better as an investigation target.

[Alison]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

I direct you to my actual action taken last night.

???

[Millium]

I still think its meh idea
[mention]nutella[/mention]
btw tell me something about yourself, should be a pretty obvious game-related question, just to clarify

[Alison]

ok good, just caught up, looks like wisp and spacedaisy targeted the same person in the end. that's awesome

[nutella]

I still think its meh idea
@nutella
btw tell me something about yourself, should be a pretty obvious game-related question, just to clarify

I make stuff work

and jUMAAANJIIIII

[ColinIsCool]

I didn’t use my ability last night either.

[Millium]

I still think its meh idea
@nutella
btw tell me something about yourself, should be a pretty obvious game-related question, just to clarify

I make stuff work

and jUMAAANJIIIII

out of everything you pick, you pick the remake... wtf is wrong with you

[Millium]

I didn’t use my ability last night either.

ya I don't get this mindset

[Alison]

going to engage in a bit of speculation, where I'm about to chain several assumptions together: let me know if you have any objection, if you think this chain of logic is too precarious and involves too many assumptions.

if there is a roleblocker, they have outed mafia. roleblocker is not claiming, so we can assume it's not a roleblocker that's stopping the kill. the next obvious theory is that there is a doctor. if we assume there is a doctor, we assume the doctor is on wisp because there is no other sensible doc target; if we assume the doctor is on wisp, we have to assume the mafia was on wisp and got blocked by the doctor.

why does the mafia shoot wisp, even though it was public that everyone in the game thought the doctor should be protecting wisp? probably because the mafia didn't think a doctor existed. this suggests that their kill went through n1, and reinforces the "FG was shot by the mafia" theory.

[Alison]

I still think its meh idea
@nutella
btw tell me something about yourself, should be a pretty obvious game-related question, just to clarify

I make stuff work

and jUMAAANJIIIII

out of everything you pick, you pick the remake... wtf is wrong with you

from the tone here I'm guessing nutella passed the test and is town?

[Millium]

yes

[Spacedaisy]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

I direct you to my actual action taken last night.

???

I;m saying I already get it, and I did check nutella

[ColinIsCool]

I didn’t use my ability last night either.

ya I don't get this mindset

Well now that I’ve outed I’m prettttttttty sure I’m easy to redirect.

[Alison]

I didn’t use my ability last night either.

ya I don't get this mindset

Well now that I’ve outed I’m prettttttttty sure I’m easy to redirect.

why did you out then? :P

[Alison]

hmm, nutella passed the test, meaning to say wisp wasn't redirected. why? was the redirection one-shot, and we're looking at something like a mafia JOAT? is it not a redirect, and in fact a more specific role that can fool spacedaisy but not wisp?

[Long Con]

Jack Black?

[Hally]

or scum just don’t have a kill which seems unlikely

There's a kill all right.

how do you know?

[Hally]

hally, what went wrong?

my voyeur was only one shot

[Millium]

well we dont actually know where daisy hit, and I am assuming the wolves tried to kill me, and were stopped?

[Hally]

so nut is confirmed town then? or at least as confirmed as lc

good, i believe that because i was already town reading her tbh

[Hally]

also you’re welcome wisp

[Alison]

yeah mafia could have redirected daisy. idk why they didn't redirect wisp. I guess because they felt wisp would just ask for character claims to figure out whose role card they got redirected to anyway, while daisy can't?

[sabie12]

Well no death and a town check on nutella not a bad night. Just confusing as to what's going on as far as if it was a redirect or protect or block. I thought for a second maybe mafia kills certain nights or FG was a vig shot after all but I dont think that would make sense.

I'm falling asleep and don't feel super well I'll be back later.

[Millium]

I'm probably just gunna take my own actions at face value since I can confirm them, and take everything else with a grain of salt
Hally is always good
LC is always good
Nutella is always good

[Millium]

Hally has nothing to do with my actions, but I am never rescending that

[Hally]

cleared as of now:
me
wisp
daisy
lc
nut

not cleared:
colin
tony
kitsu
sabie
epi
alison
jay

the pool of potential mafia is getting ever smaller

[Millium]

Daisy still also likely town because wolves don't really try to accuse people with info they know is false

so basically what Hally said above

[ColinIsCool]

I didn’t use my ability last night either.

ya I don't get this mindset

Well now that I’ve outed I’m prettttttttty sure I’m easy to redirect.

why did you out then? :P

There was a little bit of discussion of a town RBer claiming and I figured I might as well do it. Prevents the scumteam from trying to claim that role at any rate.

[nutella]

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

hmm, nutella passed the test, meaning to say wisp wasn't redirected. why? was the redirection one-shot, and we're looking at something like a mafia JOAT? is it not a redirect, and in fact a more specific role that can fool spacedaisy but not wisp?

I think the thing to remember here is we don't know for sure that Wisp's role is impervious to fuckery. I still think there is a chance he gets the fake role cards. I mean with the level of screwing with reads already present in the game, I find it difficult to believe he has a role that can't ever get an incorrect result. There is the slim possibility I was redirected and he got a fake role card. But Occam's Razor makes me feel like it's probably a good assumption she is in fact town. This is why we really needed hally in there too so we could be sure whose actions went through properly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Probably a fkn cult game.

I’m trapped in a meeting at nearly midnight so bbl

[Millium]

Probably a fkn cult game.

I’m trapped in a meeting at nearly midnight so bbl

plz no...

[Hally]

if this is a cult game i cri

[Long Con]

7) Each member of a mafia/mason/cult team must submit their own night action.

I think... there are clearly no masons? So maybe no cult. Maybe this is a copy-paste of the rules for every Jack game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

Mmm

[TonyStarkPrime]

I actually quite like the jumanji remake.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

all I want is to wake up and read that the correct night actions were performed and nobody went rogue

I will absolutely NOT be investigating someone publicly announced. I know we have a role director and all three of us investigating the same person makes it so easy to fuck with our results. There is a very obvious way that can go wrong and I won't go down that path.

it is becausae of the role redirector that you have to investigate the same person, so we are guaranteed to get a result on the person you double investigate, since the role redirector can only redirect one person

Mmm

Please tell me what mmm is

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry if I’m surly. Graduate school is more miserable than ever.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can’t say Epignosis did much to improve his standing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So I am horrendous with understanding flavor. As bad as it gets. Could someone please explain to me just briefly why it has been proposed there was no mafia kill on Night 1?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

7) Each member of a mafia/mason/cult team must submit their own night action.

I think... there are clearly no masons? So maybe no cult. Maybe this is a copy-paste of the rules for every Jack game.

I don’t see it in Fire Emblem

[Hally]

So I am horrendous with understanding flavor. As bad as it gets. Could someone please explain to me just briefly why it has been proposed there was no mafia kill on Night 1?

so there were two kills

one of them was on nanook. we know who did that one. it was pawn because the flavor of nanook’s death is genocide jack’s (pawns character) way of killing people

the flavor of the other kill indicates it was made by jack daw, a character from the 100 bullets comic. kitsu and tony know the series and think jack saw would be a town aligned character. plus the target was fg, who was in the poe. so the character plus the target could indicate a vig kill

so if those assumptions about the fg kill are right, there was no mafia kill

[Hally]

the chances of the maf kill being stopped two nights in a row seems... fairly low though

so either fg was a maf kill and the kill for tonight was blocked or... there just isn’t a maf kill? idfk