The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[tutuu]

(fwiw ive also had a similar impression of proto urist (that he would do these stuff this game))

[cobbler]

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

[tutuu]

i think they're 6

each row and each column

[tutuu]

(and alison made that post in response to urist wrst proto, i feel like ur just responding as if that post ur quoting was aimed at the general populace which it isnt)

[Lavender]

ok here i am at , hello everyone

[Alison]

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

There are 6 possible setups. They are as follows:

1) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia
2) 2-Shot Tracker, 2-Shot Doctor, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
3) Cop, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
4) Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
5) 2-Shot Doctor, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
6) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia.

It is random which of these 6 setups are in the game; we don't have public information as to which setup we're in right now. (Although people with one of those roles can narrow it down - like if you're a Tracker you know we're either in setup 2 or setup 4. Obviously, don't let on that you know that or the mafia will kill you.) Note that setups 1 and 6 are identical, so that setup essentially has twice the chance of occurring.

Mechanics aside - what are your reads, cobbler?

[cobbler]

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

we don't have any role information yet do we? other than 3 possible role sets? am i understanding that correctly?

There are 6 possible setups. They are as follows:

1) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia
2) 2-Shot Tracker, 2-Shot Doctor, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
3) Cop, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
4) Cop, 2-Shot Tracker, 8 VT, 2 Mafia, 1 Godfather
5) 2-Shot Doctor, 2-Shot Doublevoter, 8 VT, 3 Mafia
6) Cop, 9 VT, 3 Mafia.

It is random which of these 6 setups are in the game; we don't have public information as to which setup we're in right now. (Although people with one of those roles can narrow it down - like if you're a Tracker you know we're either in setup 2 or setup 4. Obviously, don't let on that you know that or the mafia will kill you.) Note that setups 1 and 6 are identical, so that setup essentially has twice the chance of occurring.

Mechanics aside - what are your reads, cobbler?

thanks

i haven't gotten much in the way of reads yet. it's taking me a lot of energy to begin learning who everyone is tbh. there was one post that pinged me a little bit that i haven't shared yet

[cobbler]

much appreciated i'll try not to shy away. i have to admit i'm a bit intimidated playing here because i've known about this community for a very long time and it has a strong reputation for solid gameplay

No need to be intimidated! It's a nice bunch of people playing here ^^ Just be open with your thoughts and do you best. Unless you're scum, cause then I'd be a little intimidated. Luckily, you're not! =)

bolding mine

this jumped out at me. obviously it could just be a way to say i'm a townread, which is something they went on to do later. it could also just literally be a scumslip

[tutuu]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

[cobbler]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

[protocultures]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

[tutuu]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

you can be town for the "i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up"

(to clarify, im highly sure all of us perceived dizzy's sentence as a townread. i think you entertaining the possibility of someone else bringing it up as a potential scumslip is actually extraordinarily towny. i think its unlikely if u are scum u came up with that out of everything else u could have come up with)

[tutuu]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

wait lol

[tutuu]

ngl im still giggling at this situation

[Alison]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

[Alison]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

you can be town for the "i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up"

(to clarify, im highly sure all of us perceived dizzy's sentence as a townread. i think you entertaining the possibility of someone else bringing it up as a potential scumslip is actually extraordinarily towny. i think its unlikely if u are scum u came up with that out of everything else u could have come up with)

I agree with this.

[cobbler]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

can you explain this a little bit? what about your experience with them is effecting your reaction?

[Alison]

It's a little hard to verbalize. Basically I think this peculiar train of thought ("I think this is a scumslip, but scum doesn't slip this big") and the attitude of trying to break down every behavior someone has into AI-town/AI-scum/NAI backed up by notions of how people should/shouldn't play is very characteristic of proto's solving process as town. If I saw this by anyone else my immediate reaction would be "WTF" and then voting them, but I've seen similar kinds of thought processes come from town proto so it's NAI for him.

[protocultures]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

I read it and thought scumslip and then i ignored it. Nobody slips that big imo.

I'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.

I don't get it. I think tutuu and Alison think I made some AI post here by saying I ignored a scumslip.Can you explain further?

[Long Con]

As a master of scumslips myself, I have to say that one doesn't qualify in my books.

[protocultures]

[mention]jeraldooo[/mention]

You post smells like fear buddy. Fear of being sniffed out as mafia. Are you mafia? ARE YOU MAFIA?

Also any reads?

[Urist]

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?

proto himself said that he's not doing it because the setup doesn't support it.
so either:
a) he's town and being genuine, in which case your reason for town reading him is incorrect.
b) he's scum, in which case your reason for town reading him is definitely incorrect.
c) he's town and you somehow know him better than he knows himself.
Judging by what you've said you seem to think that c is the case, which isn't something that I had considered before. And it's fine that you think that, but I don't think it really tells me anything about you other than that you think you know proto super well.
I wanted to drop this before I began to reveal myself as a pedantic ass, since this is such a small point that in the grand scheme of things really has no bearing on the game or anyone's alignment, but here we are.

[protocultures]

Tutuu hard town.

Alison town

[protocultures]

[mention]Urist[/mention]

What do you think about my scumread on you?

[tutuu]

Tutuu hard town.

Alison town

<3

(i didnt think u made an ai post btw wrt """"scumslip"""" btw. neither did alison say she thinks that)

[Urist]

@Urist

What do you think about my scumread on you?

you're wrong so i don't really care tbh

[tutuu]

[mention]protocultures[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] btw would it be possible if at least 1 of u gets an avi please? cuz like atm both of u have this blue square thingy with the white question mark and it will get confusing (i already confused jeraldooo's first post for proto's)

[protocultures]

Sure. Hadn't occured to me yet but good idea.

Will do it when off mobile and on pc.

[cobbler]

@Urist

What do you think about my scumread on you?

you're wrong so i don't really care tbh

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

[tutuu]

Sure. Hadn't occured to me yet but good idea.

Will do it when off mobile and on pc.

I dare you to use this avi

You just wouldn't dare.

You wouldn't DARE and I know it.

[Urist]

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

[cobbler]

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

this is the most mind-bending thing i've ever read in a game of mafia

[tutuu]

considering that (i believe) no one has played with urist before (i just checked and they said only nanook yeah.)

i tr them for that post. think its more likely to be town being honest cuz if theyre scum the mindset is like

a) i dont wanna fake solving so ill just brazenly say this
or b) i should follow my town meta from my homesite even tho no one in this game hasnt played with me and it would have been easier if i were to play a standard scum game here but ill still push a stick in my bicycle wheel (like that meme) just to follow my town meta from my homesite- that feels unlikely or at least in my mind putting extra effort than normal
or c) something im not thinking of

and none of those seem more likely than just town being honest

but then again i did also very easily wrongly lock towned alison for her effort last game and i was proven that some ppl have different values about how much effort is worth putting and stuff so i could be wrong obv. but i feel good about urist

[tutuu]

maybe town meta wasnt rly accurate more like "quirks"

im sure that they have the quirk of saying that they dont wanna fight off accusations as town on their homesite where everyone is used to them, but since noone is used to them (them as in the person, urist) here, i think its unnecessary effort to fight off the potential scumreads that will follow (if theyre scum and decided to do this)

[protocultures]

Sure. Hadn't occured to me yet but good idea.

Will do it when off mobile and on pc.

I dare you to use this avi

You just wouldn't dare.

You wouldn't DARE and I know it.

Well you gave me a <3 for hard townreading you so don't really think I could in good conscience deny such a request.

I will change it after lion king though because that Avi isn't really me.

[tutuu]

u dont even like it that much but u will still wear it thats so wholesome omfg

[tutuu]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[protocultures]

this will probably disturb 1612, jeraldoo and lavender to no end, but... thats not a bad thing.

[protocultures]

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

this is the most mind-bending thing i've ever read in a game of mafia

This is a wifom deflection rather than giving us any actual answers. You shouldnt accept this imo.

[mention]Urist[/mention] Please clutter the thread.

It helps me to determine people's alignment by forcing people to give reads on other people and see the reasoning they provide.

[Alison]

I don't get it. I think tutuu and Alison think I made some AI post here by saying I ignored a scumslip.Can you explain further?

Would be AI from anyone else. NAI from you.

[Alison]

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?

proto himself said that he's not doing it because the setup doesn't support it.
so either:
a) he's town and being genuine, in which case your reason for town reading him is incorrect.
b) he's scum, in which case your reason for town reading him is definitely incorrect.
c) he's town and you somehow know him better than he knows himself.
Judging by what you've said you seem to think that c is the case, which isn't something that I had considered before. And it's fine that you think that, but I don't think it really tells me anything about you other than that you think you know proto super well.
I wanted to drop this before I began to reveal myself as a pedantic ass, since this is such a small point that in the grand scheme of things really has no bearing on the game or anyone's alignment, but here we are.

I'm saying that proto, as scum, can easily find something to make up to talk about. Proto, as town, doesn't need to make up anything, so he just doesn't talk about mechanics and explains that he can't find anything he wants to talk about. It is as simple as that; and that is why I am townreading him for it.

[Alison]

this isn't very helpful if you're town. i'd like to see more of a response than this

if i were scum i'd be more than happy to clutter the thread by swatting his accusations away with the obvious answers, and i'd look super good doing it too

I agree that is an easy way out if you are mafia. But I also don't understand why you aren't engaging with them if you are town also. That is a good way to produce content that lets you sort them, and if proto is town, it allows them to sort you.

[Alison]

considering that (i believe) no one has played with urist before (i just checked and they said only nanook yeah.)

i tr them for that post. think its more likely to be town being honest cuz if theyre scum the mindset is like

a) i dont wanna fake solving so ill just brazenly say this
or b) i should follow my town meta from my homesite even tho no one in this game hasnt played with me and it would have been easier if i were to play a standard scum game here but ill still push a stick in my bicycle wheel (like that meme) just to follow my town meta from my homesite- that feels unlikely or at least in my mind putting extra effort than normal
or c) something im not thinking of

and none of those seem more likely than just town being honest

but then again i did also very easily wrongly lock towned alison for her effort last game and i was proven that some ppl have different values about how much effort is worth putting and stuff so i could be wrong obv. but i feel good about urist

Pretty sure it's largely NAI. I heavily suspect this is just Urist's style of playing as both alignments and not related to whether or not they are town or scum. If they were scum they could be doing this because people who care less about how others perceive them are seen as town. But the simplest explanation is that they do this because this is the way they are most comfortable with dealing with accusations.

[tutuu]

ok fair enuff sowwy alison

[tutuu]

im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"

[protocultures]

What does this mean?

the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town

Elaborate on this?

Alison's town

I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.

Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)

Hope you aren't dunking on me. If you are....well played Alison. Well played.

[Alison]

im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"

listen to your heart

[tutuu]

with the lowercase and no punctuation too OMFG

i mean i just cant not atp

alison 100% lock town never changing never rescinding never reevaluating always ccing

[Tangrowth]

More posts hype!

I'm pre-occupied with other matters, but I want to and will get back in here ASAP, probably this evening Pacific time.

[Alison]

with the lowercase and no punctuation too OMFG

i mean i just cant not atp

alison 100% lock town never changing never rescinding never reevaluating always ccing

another game, another successful tutuu and proto pocket