The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

#601

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:46 pm Michelle, are you scum? Cause I feel a strong likely to yes on that.

Dizzy is town. proto, stop voting there.

#602

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:05 amme LOL

Lol. Your reads being unclear in my mind was exactly why I asked you to explain them, so I guess fair. But also you've done other things. I don't even know how to read you, cause you seem like a pretty confident player and most of the reasons I have for town reading you is you not seeming nervous.

#603

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:08 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:46 pm Michelle, are you scum? Cause I feel a strong likely to yes on that.
Dizzy is town. proto, stop voting there.

How many pockets do you have Alison? =p

But seriously, I really hope you are town this game.

#604

Yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm getting more and more unsure about the game. Thanks, I hate it.

#605

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:10 pm I think the Urist read on tutuu's diction makes sense. Town are more likely to think about how to get into someone's head, and the excessively convoluted metaphor means that it was imagery that tutuu was focused on and/or churning around in her head for quite some time. Pretty reasonable for a page 3 read. Not seeing anything I should be concerned about there right now.
I understand, but do you think it makes Urist townie specifically? I didn't get much of an impression of that, but perhaps that's on me.

Slightly, but not a lot. I'm of two minds about my Urist read. I haven't really liked the way they've played the game so far - but a lot of it could be playstyle differences, and I'm not getting any noticeable "this person is scum" vibes.

#606

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:43 pmI'm so glad I have experience with you or I would be tunnelling you pretty hard here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've never seen Proto as scum, right?

Nope, but I have seen proto as town and I know he would do it as town. So it's NAI at worst.

#607

[mention]Michelle[/mention] Hi! I think a bunch of ppl are scumreading u and atm it looks (to me) that you or scirrus or maybe jeraldo is headed to be the day 1 yeet. id be sad if ur town and u got yeeted. u said u have to work and everything, so no rush. but if some free time comes up, could u please try to give a read on everyone?

#608

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:16 amHard townread jeraldoo here. I can see why they think what they think. Only one I can't confirm off the top of my head is m7 with dizzy but you guys probably talked early D0 about being happy to be town together or something. Way to lazy to fact check this on mobile though and just going on memory.

Jeraldooo not townreading tutuu. Makes sense to me because I didn't townread Tutuu in my first game with them either. It just went with the consensus townread on them. My current townread on them is meta based and needed experience of their baseline town game.

Lavender being town. Yes agree.

Cobbler being towny, yes agree.

1612 can hopefully confirm jeraldooo's reads as seeming legit but that's happening N1 instead of D1 seemingly.

I am complete confusion about this. And honestly I trust my read more than yours, even if you know him and even in the case you're town here. Is your read based on specific meta, then that would be helpful. Or is it just him having "different reads" or whatever?

#609

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:07 pm Alison, what do you mean by this?

Answered above - basically, I think the post is scummy in a vacuum, but proto would absolutely do it as town - so it is NAI.

#610

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:05 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:03 am Ok flipping my vote to dizzy.
is he not playing literally the exact same game as space invaders? same tone, same stance, same energy, same everything?

Dizzy wants to kill me or jeraldo. Dizzy is not good town here or dizzy is mafia. Dizzy will never get lynched later in the game if specific people die early. They got too much clout with the regs. Either way I got to try and get dizzy yeeted today to self pres and pres my townreads.

If Jeraldooo somehow turns out to be mafia, I will bear the burden of being the town donkey. I'm ok with that.

#611

Like, it's not just the reads. It's the way they were dropped like that. I call it hit and run reads in my head.

#612

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:05 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:03 am Ok flipping my vote to dizzy.
is he not playing literally the exact same game as space invaders? same tone, same stance, same energy, same everything?
Dizzy wants to kill me or jeraldo. Dizzy is not good town here or dizzy is mafia. Dizzy will never get lynched later in the game if specific people die early. They got too much clout with the regs. Either way I got to try and get dizzy yeeted today to self pres and pres my townreads.

If Jeraldooo somehow turns out to be mafia, I will bear the burden of being the town donkey. I'm ok with that.

what if all 3 of u are town lol

smh

anyway

#613

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:05 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:03 am Ok flipping my vote to dizzy.
is he not playing literally the exact same game as space invaders? same tone, same stance, same energy, same everything?
Dizzy wants to kill me or jeraldo. Dizzy is not good town here or dizzy is mafia. Dizzy will never get lynched later in the game if specific people die early. They got too much clout with the regs. Either way I got to try and get dizzy yeeted today to self pres and pres my townreads.

If Jeraldooo somehow turns out to be mafia, I will bear the burden of being the town donkey. I'm ok with that.

Good luck with that. And I won't be alive into end game, so don't worry about that lol. Again I trust my read over yours..

#614

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:09 pm Thanks for this! I also was underwhelmed by Michelle's entrance; I look forward to more.

I was more than underwhelmed my Michelle's entrance - I actively scumread it. I'll write up a bit about why I suspect Michelle after I've properly caught up.

#615

Maybe Proto is just town. Calling me "not good town" ouch lol. Still don't get the defence of Jeraldo. I know nothing, Jon Snow.

#616

uhhh proto didnt u also butt heads with dizzy last game and werent u both town? >.>

#617

omg i just realized why people thought i was townreading michelle wtf
thanks tutuu for understanding it before i did

#618

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:13 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:16 amHard townread jeraldoo here. I can see why they think what they think. Only one I can't confirm off the top of my head is m7 with dizzy but you guys probably talked early D0 about being happy to be town together or something. Way to lazy to fact check this on mobile though and just going on memory.

Jeraldooo not townreading tutuu. Makes sense to me because I didn't townread Tutuu in my first game with them either. It just went with the consensus townread on them. My current townread on them is meta based and needed experience of their baseline town game.

Lavender being town. Yes agree.

Cobbler being towny, yes agree.

1612 can hopefully confirm jeraldooo's reads as seeming legit but that's happening N1 instead of D1 seemingly.
I am complete confusion about this. And honestly I trust my read more than yours, even if you know him and even in the case you're town here. Is your read based on specific meta, then that would be helpful. Or is it just him having "different reads" or whatever?

Can you restate the question in different words?

These reads that jeraldooo posted are in line with what I expect town jeraldooo to to arrive at. Or does this answer your question?

#619

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:01 am
Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:57 am im not super interested in lynching out of jeraldo or michelle today. anyone have any compelling reasons why we shouldnt?
Talk a little bit more about Proto? But also, I don't really object.

i think ive mentioned it before but:

i did think his push on me was weird yeah like "oh i could be gaslighting" as opposed to just being happy that I'm town. my first impression was like "uh does he really believe this" but then he seemed fine with M+ doing the same things? That's actually kind of weird.

But i feel like it might be a worldz (player from perc, for anyone else reading this) kinda thing for finding his unbelievable thoughts scummy with a lens of omgus from my part. Idk I'm not confident

But still. He voices thoughts that don't really make a lot of sense coming from scum, I feel like. Like the whole whether you would NK him thing or the multiple times he says "i will do this if this happens"

#620

lolol

#621

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.

I didn't like this. proto, you know better than to give out towncred just because someone's doing work. I've never understood the mentality, anyway - it's not like the post in question solves the game, it's just a consolidation of existing information (which isn't to say cobbler isn't townie, it's just that this post isn't why they're town).

#622

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:32 am This is either a very shallow and lazy analysis of the game, or jeraldooo is simply mafia. I'm leaning toward the latter. What do you think?

So you are scum reading Jeraldo?

#623

i shouldn't be the axe today. Just saying. I trust you town. Please believe <3

#624

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:22 pm im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"
listen to your heart
I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.

Does it change your read if I told you that tutuu got burned the last time she hard townread me?

#625

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:17 am uhhh proto didnt u also butt heads with dizzy last game and werent u both town? >.>

Dizzy was in a null pile for ages and then we enacted the kill 4 plan which was a disaster. I take credit for that disaster too.

I didn't really butt heads with dizzy because I was too busy tunnelling epi. Fun times.

#626

hey Urist wanna help me bus Jeraldo and Michelle, my scum partners?

#627

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am i shouldn't be the axe today. Just saying. I trust you town. Please believe <3

I don't think you should be the exe either. I've seen nothing objectionable from your posts, and plenty of objectionable things from Michelle's! I'll be making a big push to try convince everyone else to see things my way.

#628

why is Urist reading everyone scum lol

#629

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am So you are scum reading Jeraldo?

as much as you can scumread someone with 3 posts yeah

#630

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:18 amCan you restate the question in different words?

These reads that jeraldooo posted are in line with what I expect town jeraldooo to to arrive at. Or does this answer your question?

Yeah, it answers my question.

#631

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:22 am why is Urist reading everyone scum lol

i only have 3 scum reads tho???

#632

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am i shouldn't be the axe today. Just saying. I trust you town. Please believe <3

okii i perceive this as a PR soft claim, mafia pls kill scirrus to flip him! (sorry scirrus, very cruel of me to write this post lol, but mafia is no fun and games its serious business!!!)

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine (i dont actively scumread anyone btw)

#633

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:17 am uhhh proto didnt u also butt heads with dizzy last game and werent u both town? >.>
Dizzy was in a null pile for ages and then we enacted the kill 4 plan which was a disaster. I take credit for that disaster too.

I didn't really butt heads with dizzy because I was too busy tunnelling epi. Fun times.

I was so fucking not in the null pile. I was obvious to town to anyone who knows me. I'd advice listening to that. I'll be damned if this happens again. I know I have obvious self bias, but this is how I feel.

#634

the early softclaim is so ridic scummy lmao

#635

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:20 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:13 pm doing a skim of new posts (if I have skipped questions, I will almost certaintly revisit them later) but i wanted to ping this post out as doing Town work. You can view it as NAI, but its more likely town. Unless cobbler is a super try hard mafia.
I didn't like this. proto, you know better than to give out towncred just because someone's doing work. I've never understood the mentality, anyway - it's not like the post in question solves the game, it's just a consolidation of existing information (which isn't to say cobbler isn't townie, it's just that this post isn't why they're town).

Consolidating info is a huge part of mafia imo.

Your can't track that much info. You need to constantly summarise and update it.

I townread them anyway without the consolidation of SR posts.

I didn't give them much credit, just a bit, for the specific post and said it can be scummy if they are a super try hard mafia.

#636

Urist if youre scumreading Michelle WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH HER?

isnt that supposed to be scummy

#637

dizzy is town guys. seriously. lol

#638

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 amPretty damn towny now

Is this about Scirrus?

#639

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:44 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:37 pm More posts hype!

I'm pre-occupied with other matters, but I want to and will get back in here ASAP, probably this evening Pacific time.
Hey MP7. A lot of the players in the game are hard townreading you. What are your thoughts on this? Do you suspect there might be some TMIers or scum trying to pocket you in that bunch, or do you think that it's just town finding each other early?
Hey, Alison!

I mean, anything's possible for sure. Incidentally I'm unsure about tutuu's treatment of me specifically. Otherwise I haven't had anything strongly hit my gut either way in terms of selfish reads, but also while I inevitably will have selfish thoughts I try to de-prioritize them when it comes to other options of reads information, if that makes sense.

What were you hoping to gain from this question?

Well, first of all, just to get your perspectives on the townreads on you. You know your own content the best - you know what you were and weren't doing and feeling. If someone townreads you for a reason that doesn't make sense, you're the person best equipped to realize that and go "hey, that doesn't make sense. You townread me for doing X, but I never did X at all!" This, at worst, creates productive content and may help clarify their read on you or allow you two to sort each other. At best, it allows you to pick out mafia who are TMIing you.

If you're actually a wolf, then this question is good to pose to you as well. Mafia members are often uncertain what to do with a slew of townreads once they get it. They're cautiously optimistic, wondering how often the townreads will last. Sometimes, they don't know what they did to get townread, and are very nervous and trying to avoid rocking the boat because they don't want to accidentally stop doing whatever it is. When faced with a direct question like that, it's awkward for the mafia, because they know every single townread on them is wrong, but they have to pretend those townreads are right. Should they fake paranoia? Should they try to coast, or use their towncred to support their buddy? Whatever they make up their mind to do, their response to this question comes out in a way that's awkward, fake-feeling, or tinged by agenda.

I found my question to be one that's very useful for sorting you and getting your perspective on things in general. It allowed you to highlight your concerns about tutuu's townread on you, for instance. Does that make sense?

#640

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:27 am Urist if youre scumreading Michelle WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH HER?

isnt that supposed to be scummy

man i wanna townread the caps here

it legit made me lol irl LOL

scirrus ur a cool and funny bean

#641

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:25 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:17 am uhhh proto didnt u also butt heads with dizzy last game and werent u both town? >.>
Dizzy was in a null pile for ages and then we enacted the kill 4 plan which was a disaster. I take credit for that disaster too.

I didn't really butt heads with dizzy because I was too busy tunnelling epi. Fun times.
I was so fucking not in the null pile. I was obvious to town to anyone who knows me. I'd advice listening to that. I'll be damned if this happens again. I know I have obvious self bias, but this is how I feel.

You were in MY null pile.

#642

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:27 am Urist if youre scumreading Michelle WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH HER?

i'm not scumreading michelle
i don't care about michelle

#643

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:27 am dizzy is town guys. seriously. lol

I love how I basically demand people to defend me when I'm town. This is why Alles called me a diva. =p

#644

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:28 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 amPretty damn towny now
Is this about Scirrus?

Thought I did it in the Urist post.

#645

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:34 pm Okay, I don't think Alison and Urist are w/w at least.

Why do you think this? I don't think anything in our interactions wasn't easily fakeable.

#646

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 amIt's cool you townread me but I have no idea why you townread me.

I have one more question: Last game you said multiple times that you were suspicious of people town reading you and that you thought people should push you or suspect you more, at least from how I remember it. Why is your reaction to me pushing you that I must be scum now?

#647

Alison have you given a read on me yet?

#648

I wasn't going to interact with Proto and just let it be for a while, but I fail. Nothing against you, Proto. I just get less clear the more I interact with you right now.

#649

I dont think Urist is scum ftr I'm just being petty bc I thought he was scumreading michelle

his read on me still bad tho

#650

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:30 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:34 pm Okay, I don't think Alison and Urist are w/w at least.
Why do you think this? I don't think anything in our interactions wasn't easily fakeable.

im curious what are your intentions behind this post ali? cuz like, u already have mp7 as high town, i doubt u ask this to solve her alignment.

so like, were you just thinking out loud / like did it bother you that something that u perceive as illogical was said so u felt the need to argue it, just for the sake of arguing something that u think is wrong? or some other reason?

Who needs to be banished today?