NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait
i believe her on both accounts
i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
jfc alison LOL
PEOPLE ARE NOT MAFIA MASTERMINDS LIKE YOU. IN THE MINDS OF MOST PEOPLE WE DONT EVER THINK OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait
i believe her on both accounts
i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)
Becauase if she is scum, she has a lot more incentive to lie about one thing than the other.
I'm not sure what to make of this Michelle-reevaluation thing. I modelled her as shoving my wagon all the way down. It certainly is the towniest thing I've seen her do so far, since I don't actually think scum Michelle has any incentive at all for reorienting, and town Michelle would quite plausibly be genuinely confused here and try to break out of a tunnel. That, to me, convinces me of the case on Michelle much more than the vigor with which she defended herself, or any other such factor.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:52 pmI spoke about it here, and if you trace that tutuu post back, you can see some Alison/tutuu interactions for a bit off and on there.
Also of all the town reads I've received, I'm a bit concerned about tutuu's for what I said here.
What do you think?
I haven't payed attention enough to see how the Alison read is very different to others, or at least it hasn't stuck with me. Tbh I've just assumed Tutu as town from tone and how she said she wanted to be correct in her reads. And I also liked her interaction and poking at Urist. So all in all more inclined to think she's town. She really comes across pretty much the same as last game imo, and I town read her pretty quickly there. I did mention already that I think she might be a player who's good at replicating tone. BUT I'm feeling simplest solution right now is that she's just town. I can see your point about her read on you though. Actually, I don't really have any real reason to town read you except I felt you were truly excited at the prospect of my being town right then. It was a real time reaction thing and rip all if I'm wrong lol
Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait
i believe her on both accounts
i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)
Becauase if she is scum, she has a lot more incentive to lie about one thing than the other.
(snip)
you are overthinking it way too much (imo)
and you are overestimating how much other ppl put effort in playing scum compared to u. like, u are biased by your own perception of your scum game (imo)
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am
Why is proto scum, Lavender?
this:
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am
The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.
in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.
Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.
still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no
Here it is, MP.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:52 am
Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.
Michelle
2
33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison
[VOTE:
Scirrus] aubergine
I'm not sure anyone should clear me for volume alone, although I mean, it should be a consideration.
What do you make of my content? I have plenty of it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
why do u believe her when she says she doesnt like playing scum but u dont believe her that she characterizes herself as an exebait
i believe her on both accounts
i think that youre confirmation biasing to push her as scum (but yet, you are town still)
Becauase if she is scum, she has a lot more incentive to lie about one thing than the other.
(snip)
you are overthinking it way too much (imo)
and you are overestimating how much other ppl put effort in playing scum compared to u. like, u are biased by your own perception of your scum game (imo)
I love wholesome things! I definitely am always down for that.
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:02 pm[VOTE:
1612] aubergine
come and evaluate reactions dude!
______
Alison time out, i can't see anymore.
maf michelle has no reason to unvote u here ali. u 2 are top wagons. please reconsider
Yeah I agree. Wanna execute proto?
[VOTE:
protocultures] aubergine
[mention]protocultures[/mention] explain why u last minute swtiched to ali. why dont u trust your heart like i trust mine?
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am
Why is proto scum, Lavender?
this:
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am
The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.
in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.
Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.
still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no
Fair warning - it is 4 am here. I cannot guarantee I will be up for EoD, or indeed, that I will be up for much longer. As things stand I am inclined to leave my vote on proto before going to bed.
@MP - read on! I gave my response to it and what I liked about it later on.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:12 pm
Fair warning - it is 4 am here. I cannot guarantee I will be up for EoD, or indeed, that I will be up for much longer. As things stand I am inclined to leave my vote on proto before going to bed.
@MP - read on! I gave my response to it and what I liked about it later on.
Ah, thanks! I try to take advantage of realtime but I do want to finish reading for orientation purposes.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:13 pm
good night alison. thanks for getting out of the tunnel.
thanks to you as well michelle.
good work everybody. gambatte!
Once upon a time, my main flaw as a town player was tunnelling too much. (And my main flaw as a scum player was bussing too much.) I hope that those flaws no longer exist.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 am
mp7 is so innocent omg
i read her town irl
Aww, this is sweet, thank you! I really like you too, despite the fact that my brain and gut were (are?) at war insofar as the game is concerned, haha.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:14 pm
michelle u can also go to sleep if you want. im not letting either you or ali be the yeet today so dont worry.
I've not even caught up, but I don't think yeeting Alison is a good idea for Day 1. Michelle I'm not yet sure, but... after I tunneled her in Baseball Mafia and died Night 1, as I was watching the game unfold thereafter, I feel like she was self-resolving.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:39 am
mp7 is so innocent omg
i read her town irl
Aww, this is sweet, thank you! I really like you too, despite the fact that my brain and gut were (are?) at war insofar as the game is concerned, haha.
if u skim my iso especially my last few posts as i just single handedly dissolved a town vs town tunnel you can come to the conclusion that i am the towniest player to ever single handedly exist in the history of mafia its not even an exaggeration how towny ive been
I'm actually coming around to Michelle being just town. The behavior was not great, but it's not impossible for it to come from playstyle or cultural differences, and I really don't see any reason for scum Michelle to walk off me, whereas town Michelle might doubt herself.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:18 pm
I'm actually coming around to Michelle being just town. The behavior was not great, but it's not impossible for it to come from playstyle or cultural differences, and I really don't see any reason for scum Michelle to walk off me, whereas town Michelle might doubt herself.
Which would make the people that hopped on the wagon a little too eagerly scum, probably - they almost certainly wanted to execute me, and then once I flip town use that to execute Michelle. In a vacuum, people who hopped on without looking like they were too excited about the wagon, or with too little commitment to it (because they don't want to be associated with hard pushing a wagon on town) look the worst. So probably nanook and proto are the scummiest from that.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Urist... might open wolf and just hard shove a wagon on me. I don't know them well enough to say. But in a vacuum I think nanook and proto are scummier than Urist from that analysis.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Who's up for a wagon on proto? I liked Lavender's case on him and I think the last-minute switch to me when the wagon on me was gaining steam felt opportunistic.
hm, now i feel like i'm being pocketed. i came here to say i was going to switch my vote to urist, whom i suspected of pocketing me earlier. i had alison and michelle both town just like tutuu. i initially tr alison for the wall of text on michelle, but the switch right now feels pretty odd to me. maybe we live in a world where alison is bussing proto, that'd be cool. in any case this flip gives good info
i'll talk about jeraldoo (who is town) tomorrow, this is my last post of the day. good luck
tldr let's see the proto flip, i don't trust urist/alison ✌✌
Thanks, Nanook! Sorry for bailing, everyone, but I am going to a cottage with no internet connection from Thursday to Sunday, so I thought it best to step aside.
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:27 pm
Alison if you are town, sorry, but you know why I'm voting you. You will probably townread my vote on you anyway so I can't even read into your response to me.
I'm also not wolf/wolf with Alison because if I rolled maf with Alison, I wouldn't bus her.
I don't, actually, proto. The case on Michelle is something I think makes a lot of sense. What do you have against it?
Michelle not towny but scummier people to vote today
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:06 pm
Imagine using playing in champs as a barometer for skill
Did I use playing in Champs as a barometer for skill?
I said Michelle is a Champs level player - which means I have good reason to believe she isn't chronic exebait. Communities don't send their LHF to Champs. In fact, nothing I've seen from Michelle so far has convinced me that she's telling the truth when she characterizes herself as exebait. That makes me think that she's only doing it because she wants to win sympathy and portray me as bullying her.
I mean that just is objectively not true, a lot of “LHF” go to champs
Also like
I’ve seen Michelle get miskilled with relative ease before, it seems like a relatively common occurrence AFAIK
