Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Isn't that a good night?

if there's a mafia team

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ready 4 dem checks

[Spacedaisy]

I checked TSP, he came back town. Didn't he claim miller?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wait I'm also hardclaiming miller

[Spacedaisy]

Yeah so why would he come back town?

[nutella]

I mean..... you could have been redirected again :///

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah so why would he come back town?

1) he's mafia godfather

2) you were redirected

3) he innocently lied about being a miller

4) you're an imperfect cop in some way that gets goofy results (a la insane or paranoid cops)

5) you're lying

2 > 1 > 4 > 5 > 1 by what I view as most likely

[JaggedJimmyJay]

second 1 should be 3

[TonyStarkPrime]

I checked TSP, he came back town. Didn't he claim miller?

you were thus misdirected and also why did you check me I claimed miller

[TonyStarkPrime]

like what was the point of that

[nutella]

agreed on jay's order of likelihood

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

[TonyStarkPrime]

just gonna let that sit for half an hour before I explain it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

explain thoroughly

[Long Con]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

explain thoroughly

We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.

[nutella]

lol

[nutella]

why would opt-in miller be a thing

??

[nutella]

oh wait im dumb you're saying it's the cost of doing something else

[nutella]

lmao this fucking game

[nutella]

i believe it

[nutella]

uhm. hmm

[JaggedJimmyJay]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

explain thoroughly

We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.

if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it

[TonyStarkPrime]

my miller status is conditional. I suspect hally's is as well.

from day 1, there's more discussion there.

[nutella]

big thonk

[nutella]

thonkin bout colin

[nutella]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

explain thoroughly

We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.

if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it

hmmmMMMMMMMM spicy

[nutella]

[mention]Wisp[/mention] would sure love to hear what youve got

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

explain thoroughly

We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.

if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it

i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

I don't believe you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll wait for Wisp

[TonyStarkPrime]

i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

I don't believe you

you don't believe that I'm not telling you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

you're probably right tbh. I have a loose tongue.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

I don't believe you

you don't believe that I'm not telling you?

I don't believe you're a "conditional miller". You also in spirit just affirmed my assertion that you're a conditional godfather, k

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To refuse to talk about the rest of your role at this stage, under these circumstances, makes zero sense for a civilian. The game hinges on working out this confusion if you're town.

"Treat today like it's LyLo"

"I'm not telling"

okay

[TonyStarkPrime]

i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

I don't believe you

you don't believe that I'm not telling you?

I don't believe you're a "conditional miller". You also in spirit just affirmed my assertion that you're a conditional godfather, k

I claimed conditional miller on day 1. Did you have a problem with it then? You've sort of had a problem with it since.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I claimed conditional miller on day 1. Did you have a problem with it then? You've sort of had a problem with it since.

I had no problem with it then. I literally didn't care about it. You're not behaving like a civilian.

[TonyStarkPrime]

To refuse to talk about the rest of your role at this stage, under these circumstances, makes zero sense for a civilian. The game hinges on working out this confusion if you're town.

"Treat today like it's LyLo"

"I'm not telling"

okay

I can tell you that it is good for the town that I do not claim my role at this time. If you're town, I hope that you trust me on mechanics enough to understand that --

why didn't I order you to vote for Epi yesterday. I'm so dumb. I completely forgot.

Okay whatever. I can also tell you that claiming my role will not change your perception of me one way or another as town or mafia. When I eventually get around to claiming it, you will see that this is in fact the case.
However, I have a feeling I'm going to have to thunderdome epi who probably got a town result from Wisp who doesn't understand that his role probably gives back town roles no matter what.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can tell you that it is good for the town that I do not claim my role at this time. If you're town, I hope that you trust me on mechanics enough to understand that --

why didn't I order you to vote for Epi yesterday. I'm so dumb. I completely forgot.

Okay whatever. I can also tell you that claiming my role will not change your perception of me one way or another as town or mafia. When I eventually get around to claiming it, you will see that this is in fact the case.
However, I have a feeling I'm going to have to thunderdome epi who probably got a town result from Wisp who doesn't understand that his role probably gives back town roles no matter what.

How likely do you believe it is that this game does not have a mafia team?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Very unlikely. Look at the day 3 poll.
I am starting to believe that they're not doing the kills.

[TonyStarkPrime]

There's probably someone poisoned though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Very unlikely. Look at the day 3 poll.
I am starting to believe that they're not doing the kills.

what about the day 3 poll

[TonyStarkPrime]

The host option.

Thinkin Jack Napier is yesterdays killer. A bad sign for Jack Daw.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A bad sign for Jack Daw.

why

i'm listening but please finish thoughts

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did Kitsu do the night kill analysis on that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Epignosis should be today's chop barring clear indication to the contrary from Wisp.

[TonyStarkPrime]

A bad sign for Jack Daw.

why

i'm listening but please finish thoughts

So, Jack Napier is Jack Nickolson's joker.

[that gives me a thought which I'm wiping from my mind.]

Earlier I had a guess that the scum team might be superheroes if Jack Daw were on it, that's a theme that I could see making sense overall. There was no further evidence for this until The Joker might have popped up in a writeup.
I think Kitsu hasn't claimed a character yet, and Epi's only half claimed. If they both full claim and neither is daw, who as a town vig is probably safe to out now, then we have to start thinking about daw as lock wolf.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything in this game. I'm not doing a great job with it. So it goes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What I'm saying is that if there are two hostile independents (Pawn + day killer/poisoner), the notion that there is no mafia team at all becomes considerably more plausible. I know it sounds ridiculous, but we have three straight nights with no kills.

The game is clearly not normal.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also could see if I want to reach a mafia team under a POE clamp deciding not to kill to promote that paranoia -- which is why I am focused on Epignosis who I think could fit well as a mafioso or as some poisoner or whatever.