protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:10 am
Hmm, an interesting development.
I was pretty sure Urist had been softing cop (and I was dumb for not getting it) but now Tutuu is hard claiming cop, so Urist is now mega sus in my eyes.
So my reads list.
Tutu - Cop claim - uncced.
Proto - Villy claim - never rescinding
Town (highest town equity to lowest)
Jeraldooo - need more posts but going off their one AI post, I could see town jeraldooo having all/most of those reads as a new player coming to forum and having no meta with the players.
Alison - im paranoid about alison, but thinking about it all, she wanted to vote Michelle and Urist who I now think are mafia. This is consistent with Alison being town although she says she is a serial busser of partners. I voted Nanook over urist mainly because at the time, I thought Alison was scummier than Urist and Alison was voting for Urist.
Cobbler - needs more posts but I get a decent town feel.
Null (town to scum within null list)
Dizzy - probably town, but they are supposed to be good at this game, and they keep calling me scum. Either they need to get better at reading me, I need to get better at projecting town, or Dizzy is mafia.
MP7 - need more AI posts to sort. LC said be wary. I am.
1612 - last post was really weird from 1612. It doesnt read like his thought process. @jeraldooo and @Lavender back me up here. The other posts starting "oh boy" etc sound like 1612 speaking. Need more from 1612 before I lock them as scum or town.
Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)
Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.
Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.
Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.
1612's reads
Okay Great, yeah I'd rather try to have conversation rather than a long list of reads, good vibe from [mention]Lavender[/mention] . It's jsut that it's hard to communicate with irl schedules and different time zones but thankfully we have some extra night time to discuss this.
let me Just give a Town to Mafia list and start a discussion. I've color coded my sections because this is neat:
Most Town
Alison - Awesome reaction when being voted, it screamed saying I am fine with being info vote, here is my legacy info and I will keep trying to help even in my death without any hint of playing a wifom game as mafia
Dyslexicon - Love the interaction he has had in this game even trying to reach out to me and pinging me to explain my reads. I feel like he could easily try to twist my quotes out of context like proto tried to do and definitly push me to a vote. He's been playing really well and I want to read him town
MP7 - I am now going to put MP7 higher than Urist which I will explain in my next Read
Lavendar - Yeah I don't think anyone should be sussing Lavendar based off the cop claim since he was obviously not hard claiming. With that topic, I don't think Tutu should have claimed cop considering that no one was going to sus him for a vote today? But perhaps because he was so universally town read he was afraid of dying. Gah, not the move in my opinion but I understand. And also you said I wasn't having fun which is why you wanted to scum read me, I am not hating this format, just a bit hard but I think the quality of players and the environment is super welcoming and nice to play in. It's still not my cup of tea though, too much text and info that I might be tunneled vision in.
Question Mark / Need Info
Michelle - I feel like Michelle's logs havent been great. I have iso'd her logs and I jsut see some light pushes against Alison and her logs but this clearly disagrees with my top town read atm. But I think because I think Urist is my vote today, it seems that if Urist was trying to fake soft a cop claim, it would have been on a n/0 peek so I would say that give you evidence of being town unless it was partners defending? I don't know that hard defence seems weird to me if so, I would not vote Michelle based off that logic. Still think she has to give better logs, I can't really get a read on her on what she has now besides that quote from Urist
Jeraldooo - Honestly I want to read my friendoooo town here because I think he's just not really interested in this game and is coasting as mafia. I feel like if he was Mafia, he would put a little more effort? I am not sure, he is always my scum read that flips town so that's why I am hesitant to make him my scum read. Honestly if people are pushing him, I think it's jsut really too easy and I don't really see people defending him. hell the person who called him out to speak was proto and he flipped town. I think if he was mafia, he would not allowed to be coasty this much? Don't want to vote jeraldooo here honestly, seems like it's a waste of our one vote and doesn't give much info.
Null Reads / No interaction / Poe
Cobbler - Eh I don't know why people town read Cobbler so much specifically Urist and dead-Proto, I feel like he hasn't really talked and coasted. I have a null read but POE is on him. Same with Long Con. They haven't really addressed me in their quotes besides saying I haven't done anything in their list of reads.
Long Con - Same with Long Con. Logs don't say much
My Current Vote
Urist- So MP7 sussed Urist for that little comment "your vote on Michelle is wrong" and the reason why I thought it wasn't so bad in context is because I thought it was a small soft? which meant we were in either setup a or c so I tried to not push him just in case. And now I see why proto said "I think I know who cop is and I am waiting" he thought it was urist saying michelle was townySo I thought MP7 pointing that out and playing around with her vote around Urist when Alison or Nanook was becoming the vote consensus was really strange. But now that I am thinking about, maybe she was trying to cover it up by saying it was sus? [mention]M Plus 7[/mention], I'm sure you can talk more about this when you read it. But for that reason and also how he scumread proto with no explanation considering its his first time playing with proto as opposed to me when I always scum read him because of his bw votes and my irl read that I can't trust him ( my instinct won't allow me in voice chat ). And he flipped blue so I have to reconsider my town read on you and anyone who was pushing proto.
