The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[tutuu]

maybe it doesnt matter now but just wanted to point out now that Pyre Mafia (a game that was ongoing) recently ended i can finally mention how i was consensus townread d1 by everyone there, and then during the night chat, a few hours before the end of the night, i have this one guy scumreading me out of the blue, i was then the night 1 kill, and the guy turned up mafia. thats why i was on lavender's throat when he started fossing me a few hours before night ended it literally happened to me last game lol i dont think its non-standard at all

[dunya]

Effective immediately, [mention]tedxtr[/mention] has replaced [mention]cobbler[/mention]!

[tutuu]

o hai

[tedxtr]

sup

haven't read anything - dropping slank cover because I'll be on a trip from 19th, will try my best to solve this tho

should have some thoughts shortly

[Michelle]

Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

[Michelle]

:cantlook: i didn't want to post in red !

[Michelle]

Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

[mention]tedxtr[/mention]

[tedxtr]

Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

@tedxtr

Unfortunately villager. Was actually secretly hoping I'd rand scum with someone like Alison and get carried because the last few town games were frustrating in here.

[tedxtr]

I think I like cobble's early posts. Rings genuine and the thought process on Urist was pretty villagery. I struggle to find wolves thinking about pre-rand stuff.

Urist's aggression early on is a good look for now.

[tedxtr]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

[Michelle]

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Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

@tedxtr

Unfortunately villager. Was actually secretly hoping I'd rand scum with someone like Alison and get carried because the last few town games were frustrating in here.

I am glad to inform you that Alison is lock villager so she can still carry you if you are also villager.

Waiting for your inputs, please ping me with your ideas.

[tedxtr]

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Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

@tedxtr

Unfortunately villager. Was actually secretly hoping I'd rand scum with someone like Alison and get carried because the last few town games were frustrating in here.

I am glad to inform you that Alison is lock villager so she can still carry you if you are also villager.

Waiting for your inputs, please ping me with your ideas.

Is that how confident you are in the read? Did they claim a role or something?

[Michelle]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

[Michelle]

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Effective immediately, @tedxtr has replaced @cobbler!

Welcome Ted ^^ how's your slot?

@tedxtr

Unfortunately villager. Was actually secretly hoping I'd rand scum with someone like Alison and get carried because the last few town games were frustrating in here.

I am glad to inform you that Alison is lock villager so she can still carry you if you are also villager.

Waiting for your inputs, please ping me with your ideas.

Is that how confident you are in the read? Did they claim a role or something?

she is the n0 of claimed cop, uncc-ed

[Michelle]

close the bold bbcode somewhere if you quote that post again

[tedxtr]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

My opinion on what?

[tedxtr]

she is the n0 of claimed cop, uncc-ed

Well that definitely makes the catchup easier.

Who's the cop and who are the other checks?

[tedxtr]

Nvm just found it myself

[tedxtr]

LMFAO I forgot I replaced cobbler I'm so dumb

just saw i'm town and posted instantly

that would leave 1612 / Dyslexicon / jeraldooo / Lavender / Michelle / M Plus 7 in the PoE

I'll start ISOing

[Michelle]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

My opinion on what?

on Ulrist's AI.

[tedxtr]

jeraldooo -

That was a quick read.

jeraldooo

You post smells like fear buddy. Fear of being sniffed out as mafia. Are you mafia? ARE YOU MAFIA?

Also any reads?

Dude proto stop bussing me so hard xD but ngl i realize ima struggle with this cuz i tend to forget things like this happen and then the logs are backed up for an entire day. Rn i have no reads but lemme read into the logs and i'll let yall know what i come up with.

This gives me a queasy feeling.

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Mp and dizzy could be paired (seems like partner on partner interactions),
proto - light town due to the reads given that the evidence was good (can still change),
cobbler - light town for compiling a list of sr’s for everyone (could be NAI but for rn light town),
Lavender - seems like towny lav to me from previous games. Reaction testing and all. Seems very confident and makes me believe he’s town.

dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.

Townreads: Lav, proto, cobbler ||
Mafreads: Mp and dizzy, dexslexicon and tutu ||
Nullreads: everybody else ||
Paired: ||
Not Paired: Scirrus and proto, dislexycon ||

Sorry these notes were a lil rushed i almost fell asleep working with them.

Wish we could've had proto here to analyse this. Iirc jeraldoo is a video mafia player so I don't really know how that style would translate into how to handle forum mafia. At face value the reads look fine. Most of the setups there are flipless so I believe the pairing reads aren't wolf indicative here, but rather a playstyle conflict with how forum players make reads. The problem I'd have is how he got to those reads.

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I think my preferred lynches for today are Jeraldo, Proto and Michelle. Maybe I'm too omgus, but I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Would like to hear what people who know Jeraldo thinks.

I put you in the my mafreads due to potential pairings of mafia as seen in paired. Interactions between you and tutu seem like partner on partner interactions, so you're in my mafreads for now. You are omgussing and i've been accused of doing that too on other platforms but through tutu's posts i don't think they leaned either town or mafia and you townreading them made me think you guys are partners but you are right that I don't know you enough to know your playstyle. Just my thoughts. Also I couldn't explain everything cuz I was falling asleep on my keyboard last night as Dyslexicon's name appears in Not paired without anyone after that. Also 1612 can you stop using the blowdryer and get in here and play?

[mention]jeraldooo[/mention] why do you exclusively think that this has to be a w/w interaction and not, say, w/v interaction?

(w = wolf ; v = villager)

Also, in light of tutuu outting as the cop, how does this read progress for you?

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I think my preferred lynches for today are Jeraldo, Proto and Michelle. Maybe I'm too omgus, but I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Would like to hear what people who know Jeraldo thinks.

I put you in the my mafreads due to potential pairings of mafia as seen in paired. Interactions between you and tutu seem like partner on partner interactions, so you're in my mafreads for now. You are omgussing and i've been accused of doing that too on other platforms but through tutu's posts i don't think they leaned either town or mafia and you townreading them made me think you guys are partners but you are right that I don't know you enough to know your playstyle. Just my thoughts. Also I couldn't explain everything cuz I was falling asleep on my keyboard last night as Dyslexicon's name appears in Not paired without anyone after that. Also 1612 can you stop using the blowdryer and get in here and play?

So here's what I see: I see your pairings as really random. What makes me/Tutu a more likely pairing than anyone else? I town read a bunch of people. Just because you don't happen to agree with that read? I just played a game with Tutu and quickly read her town. She's coming across pretty much the exact same way to me here, so that's why I town read her. I find it pretty easy to follow her train of thoughts, and I also like the pushes she's had. Sue me lol. Pretty sure I've explained this. Why is this mafia pairing to you instead of me just having a town read on her? Also, do you expect scum to go out and mutually town read each other early? I know this is kind of a bunch of questions, but I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from here. So if you could expand more that would be great, cause I still don't get it. Also, you falling asleep and being tired is fair enough, but not really something I have to answer to tbh. I'm reading what's there. Now that you're here I would love for you to talk more about how you view this game in particular, and also the game of mafia in general.

I'm coming into this game with extreme caution and maybe I was too quick to put it as mafreads, but since I know like 3 people here and so far i tr two of them because I know how they play just like how you know how tutu plays and you tr them. I'm taking not of you and tutu's interactions and to me it seems like partner-partner interaction but others can interpret it differently hence why i'm probably the only one who thinks this. This is my first forum game and I knew a problem would be forgetting to come back to the game and check what's happening cuz i'm used to mafia.gg where games usually only last an hour long. I got reminded by someone to read the forum at like 3 am est and that's why i was tired and some of my notes don't make sense now that I'm looking at it. There's also a thing called pocketing in which case you would be maf and tutu is innocent so I have to be weary of the possibilities in this game. Maybe you both are town and I'm just reading the interaction wrong.

Jeraldoo why do you acknowledge that meta can be used for town reading someone and thus it can be a v/v interaction and yet you have reached a conclusion that Dyslexicon having meta on tutuu is w/w?

There's a missing part of the puzzle that I want you to find for me. I don't get why your immediate thought was to make them w/w, what separates a villager having meta on another villager from a wolf taking advantage of that to clear a wolf partner?

[tedxtr]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

My opinion on what?

on Ulrist's AI.

He's cop cleared

[tedxtr]

I believe that the jeraldoo analysis had no real ending included, my thoughts are mixed. I wanna dive deeper into how jeraldoo arrives at the conclusion of his pairing reads. I think him constantly repeating "I could be wrong" and "That's just how I took it" without giving any reason as to why he believes in the w/w read could be scum indicative.

He keeps pushing on that angle while not really giving any compelling reason for us to believe that he believes in that read, if that makes sense.

[Michelle]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

My opinion on what?

on Ulrist's AI.

He's cop cleared

i know but there was the Godfather tinfoil.
If you ignore the peek, how is he for you?

[tedxtr]

Aggression's not the word I'm looking for, I guess the willingness to jump on early reads and acting on them.

Check day 1 vote count and Eod, Ulrist was the counter wagon for Nanook who got mislynched and earlier in the day i was top wagon for being inactive. No need to detail reasons of inactivity i think.

I won't say my oppinion, i wish for yours please

My opinion on what?

on Ulrist's AI.

He's cop cleared

i know but there was the Godfather tinfoil.
If you ignore the peek, how is he for you?

I should really start reading OPs.

I liked him p1, leaning town currently, I'll do an ISO at some point and get back to you on it.

[tedxtr]

don't really feel like doing ISOs anymore

i'll be back when people are here

[Urist]

jeraldooo -

That was a quick read.

Why jeraldooo first?

[tedxtr]

jeraldooo -

That was a quick read.

Why jeraldooo first?

I like to sort in people with lower posts first and then move upwards.

I am kinda lazy

[Alison]

maybe it doesnt matter now but just wanted to point out now that Pyre Mafia (a game that was ongoing) recently ended i can finally mention how i was consensus townread d1 by everyone there, and then during the night chat, a few hours before the end of the night, i have this one guy scumreading me out of the blue, i was then the night 1 kill, and the guy turned up mafia. thats why i was on lavender's throat when he started fossing me a few hours before night ended it literally happened to me last game lol i dont think its non-standard at all

Evidently you weren't the Night 1 kill

[Alison]

I think I like cobble's early posts. Rings genuine and the thought process on Urist was pretty villagery. I struggle to find wolves thinking about pre-rand stuff.

Urist's aggression early on is a good look for now.

You're townreading your own slot?

[Alison]

I guess I'll just wait for you to do your catch up, it's probably better that way.

[Lavender]

also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

for the record, if this is the scum team then i'm putting mp7 as gf. if urist's "comfy n1 mafia" theory is true, and they all apparently knew tutuu was cop (lol), i think that they either expect tutuu to check

1) urist (to sort out the d1 wagons) or
2) mp7, given that tutuu was asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 that night

[Lavender]

If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

i was, as i explained in my analysis post after the nanook/lc banish:

alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them

impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):

final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle

Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison

when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place

now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes

i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook

i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it

i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything

i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo

[Michelle]

also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

for the record, if this is the scum team then i'm putting mp7 as gf. if urist's "comfy n1 mafia" theory is true, and they all apparently knew tutuu was cop (lol), i think that they either expect tutuu to check

1) urist (to sort out the d1 wagons) or
2) mp7, given that tutuu was asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 that night

FTR this will not happen. I understand you have to push someone but no matter how many times you repeat it, me as mafia will not become reality.

If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

i was, as i explained in my analysis post after the nanook/lc banish:

alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them

impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):

final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle

Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison

when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place

now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes

i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook

i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it

i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything

i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo

i remember this post, what means the cyan coloured?

What info would give you Ulrist's elimination?
I take your push on Ulrist and the yellow coloured text as another proof of an wolfish mindset .

[Alison]

If Lavender was around EOD then I don't think Lavender and Urist can be W/W. Way too easy for Lavender to justify a move onto nanook to save his scum buddy.

[Alison]

Why did you stop catching up after jeraldo, ted? Did you have to go or something?

[tedxtr]

Why did you stop catching up after jeraldo, ted? Did you have to go or something?

yeah. it's nightphase, I have 48 hours to interact with people during the day.

ISOs take more energy and I do it sporadically throughout dayphases.

Do you want me to take a look at something, why are you so rushed?

[Alison]

Why did you stop catching up after jeraldo, ted? Did you have to go or something?

yeah. it's nightphase, I have 48 hours to interact with people during the day.

ISOs take more energy and I do it sporadically throughout dayphases.

Do you want me to take a look at something, why are you so rushed?

It's okay if you don't have the energy. I was just wondering why you stopped.

[Alison]

I do want you to give an opinion on Lavender.

[Urist]

There's no way to see the vote counts at different points of the previous days right? It's basically just lost yea?

[dunya]

The long night was over, and Simba and the rest of the Lion Guard were waiting to hear the Morning Report from Zazu. But Zazu was late...which was totally unlike him. Never in his life would Zazu tolerate tardiness. Something was wrong. Growing anxious, Simba sent out a search party. Maybe Zazu just got caught up listening to some gossip. Maybe he was questioning someone. Maybe...he had seen something he shouldn't have. Zazu's body was soon discovered near Pride Rock and while the other animals went into mourning, the Lion Guard was hungry and ready for revenge.

tutuu has been killed.

Spoiler: show

Zazu - Pridelander Cop

It is now Day 3. You have 24 hours to banish an Outlander OR with 9 alive it takes 5 to hammer.

[Michelle]

sad Sod, I will miss Tutuu
i will vote my scum read from the night

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

[Alison]

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

[Alison]

Not much to do since nobody else is posting. [mention]1612[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention], get in here. If you are town, show me so I can put you out of my POE.

[VOTE: Lavender] aubergine

[Lavender]

please let me post my final thoughts before mafia hammers me

[1612]

[mention]Alison[/mention] I've said this before and maybe it's just a difference in playstyle but I think you are tunneling too much on both your town and wolfreads. Maybe I am just bad but I do not see how this is mafia like mindset?

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

Urist is confirmed town/gf so that world that you guys think he is pushing would have been really invalid and had no backup after Urist flipped. There is no setup. My thought is that it would be much more sus if he said:

if urist is town, i would not be surprised at all if proto is mafia

Because THAT shows the mindset of setting up for a double day mis-yeet on proto. I don't think if Urist is godfather, Lavendar uses a bus on Day 1 to get a vote on proto the next day. I don't see that kind of thinking from Lavendar. I think his other logs which you and michelle have been ignoring are pretty towny but apparently that's getting into OGI with my personal read on him. anyways, that's why I am confused on why you aren't reconsidering your town circle. I don't understand your town circle specifically on Michelle, seems like to me, she has been pushing the wrong reasons on Lavendar and I think she is twisting it in a bad context and you are just being tricked? I really don't think Michelle is more town than Lavender to me for the quotes she has been using where I don't see the logic above.

Your town circle :
-Michelle has jumped on the lavendar bw and she hasn't really addressed any of Lavendar's reads or susses and you haven't let Michelle respond to that either, mostly because you just said "I am going to kill you."
-Cobbler didn't do much. Like he gets a town pass for one d1 comment? ([mention]tedxtr[/mention] I would like to hear your thoughts further on why Cobbler was a town read in your own perspective).
-Mp7, I agree with that town read because I thought it was Urist who was fake softing as cop which mp7 pointed out and thought that was scum and it seems based of Urist's logs that it is unlikely a bait to be cop checked as godfather so I do think Mp7 and Urist are both town. I am paranoid of a world where Mp7 is mafia baiting a cop check on Urist but that seems like wayyyy too unlikely with Urist's logs about having cop not rr.
-Dizzy is also pretty town for talking a lot and contributing. He also tried to get me to be more engaging by pinging me since its my first game instead of scum reading me without any content. Seems like an easy way to blend by "contributing" and he didn't take advantage of that.

As for jeraldooo, yeah I like playing with him and I cannot get a read on him. Most likely scum though because he is my POE and I don't have much scum reads on all the other town reads you gave. I think he's uninvested or forgot about this game since it is a lot to take in (but it's really fun no doubt after getting used to) And apparently its ill advised to ping someone in Discord during games. Perhaps [mention]dunya[/mention] could direct message him for us or get a substitute? I don't see why not considering cobbler was also subbed in. It would be really unfortunate just to consider an afk player scum because I am used to that in mafia.gg and lost many games because of that.

Maybe its because I am not in the town circle yet but I don't see the read on Michelle (she had no reason to let me go after getting a good enough bw on me. Fair but have you heard of pockets, I think between that and what's happening now on D3, I think to me it's more Michelle. [mention]Michelle[/mention] why did you swapped off of Alison? I don't think you ever explained or if you knew Tutu was softing the n0 peek and just said "yeah i knew something was wrong" after she revealed on D2 and Alison said why that looked good for you)

If I had to find a mafia team right now. It would be Michelle, Cobbler(now tedxtr), Jeraldoo. I cannot see a world where Michelle and Lavendar are distancing. This doesn't seem fake at all imo
Hopefully you can work with this for the rest of the day, I do think the town circle is good and we are at a good spot but it seems a bit too hasty to tunnel with your current circle.

[Lavender]

@Michelle why did you swapped off of Alison?

holy shit michelle jumped off the alison wagon d1? that's huge

[Urist]

@1612 if you don't think that lav is scum you should probably plant a vote elsewhere

[1612]

@1612 if you don't think that lav is scum you should probably plant a vote elsewhere

I am going to vote with confirmed at the end Urist, doesn't make sense to vote somewhere else lol
I have like an hour before I got to go again so this is my time slot. I also have a lot of free time tomorrow as well so I should be here for the most of D3 at least tomorrow

[Lavender]

the lion king, according to lavender

i think that mp7 and michelle are outed mafia, and mp7 is gf. i think the third mafia is most likely cobbler-ted (hi, [mention]tedxtr[/mention]!). if it's not cobbler-ted, it's jeraldoo. if it's not jeraldoo, it's 1612. how i arrived at this conclusion should be clear from my last few posts. long story short, i think urist hit the nail on the head that scirrus being the n1 kill reeks of mafia being comfy n1. if they weren't comfy, they would try to kill cop instead. mp7/michelle/cobbler is easily the comfiest scumteam of the three possibilities in my book (mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted, mp7/michelle/jeraldoo, mp7/michelle/1612)

i think mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted headed into n1 confident that none of them would be or had been cop checked. my impression was that mp7 was universally townread (on her meta, i guess? i don't really understand it at all). michelle was townread by alison (and tutuu?) after alison seemed satisfied by michelle's defense in response to alison's push. cobbler-ted also seemed to be universally townread for a town/gamesolvey mindset in his early posts

frankly i think these three go into n1 with a gameplan of pocketing alison and tutuu all game. they reason that tutuu is cop (based on softing alison as the n0 check?) and will probably check urist to resolve the confusion surrounding the nanook-lc/urist split on eod1. they reason that they can either push a misbanish on urist as gf OR take credit for townreading urist early, depending on how alison/tutuu are leaning about the whole situation

this is consistent with my reads on pretty much every other player as well, as well as other associations i've picked up on:

1) i went into n1 most suspicious of urist, proto, and tutuu. i poked at urist and found his reaction to be extremely town. i questioned tutuu and found her response to be extremely town

2) tutuu's brilliant cop reveal d2 which asked all the players for their reads sent mp7 and cobbler running for the hills. i remember me and dys being active posters after that reveal. i remember michelle and mp7 promising reads later. my impression of the claim was that tutuu had a red check. i noticed that tutuu had been asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 the previous night. i reasoned that mp7 was the red check and indicated this in the post containing my reads. this claim was universally ignored, which is extremely consistent with mp7 being gf: she and her mafia pals would know that her actually being the red check is impossible, so how can any of them respond to my claim without implicating themselves? i guess their best play is hard bussing mp7. indeed, the brilliancy of tutuu's play, to me, is that she essentially forced mafia to bus mp7. the simple explanation for their silence, to me, is that they missed the boat on that opportunity

3) on the other hand, dys' excited reaction to the cop claim and reads are super town to me at this point (townreading urist, skepticism of mp7)

4) i don't think i can prove this, but i wonder if anyone else can recall who was on the brief alison wagon d1. i think it was me/proto/urist, and one other person at one point. my candidate scumteam not being on this vote is consistent with their plan to pocket alison. according to 1612 in his most recent post, michelle was on the alison wagon but then jumped off of it. this could be nervousness about sticking to the script of pocketing alison/tutuu. the motivations for this, if it actually happened, definitely needs to be probed [mention]Michelle[/mention]

5) i went into n2 pretty sus of mp7, and was in fact the lone voter on her d2 before proto was killed (nobody else even voted that day, lol). i also intended to get more information from 1612 and jeraldoo, if possible. i came out of this with a slight town lean on 1612. at one point i was looking at what i thought were proto's legacy reads (it turned out to in fact be mp7's d1 read list, oops). this list suggested that alison was clear, and i was intrigued by the town reads on urist and dys. liking these reads is what led to my offhand claim that "alison town implies michelle is mafia". michelle became extremely defensive of this statement and immediately omgussed me. moreover, her interactions with me since then do not address the big picture of my current reads. rather, they are simply nitpicking my statements out of context

6) i would suggest pressuring mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted for an explanation of how exactly they came to the conclusion that alison and tutuu were town. their answers to these questions will be very telling. given the world where my candidate scumteam pockets alison and tutuu all game, the earlier they point out that they knew tutuu was cop, the more sus they are [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

call this all mafia tmi if u want, idrc. i feel absolutely great about these reads, so much so that i'm almost tempted to self-vote today since i'm fucking exhausted and it would be an easy way to draw more attention to the world i see. i'm not going to do this out of respect for my fellow players, and on the off-chance that cobbler-ted is not the third mafia -- i wouldn't want to waste our last misbanish. i will put mp7/michelle scum at 90% certainty, mp7 gf at 80%, and cobbler mafia at 70%

let me just say that i will hold the L for the rest of my life if urist is mafia. pocketing me n1 with a billboard town response to my n1 reaction check, and then leading me down the path i'm on now, if it's misguided, is literally the plot of the movie inception

i'm voting mp7 now

tl;dr fucking iso me if u misbanish me, mp7/michelle/cobbler-ted are probably scum, this game is solved
banish mp7 --> michelle --> cobbler --> jeraldoo