The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[Alison]

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

This is the quote that Michelle is pushing and explaining how it is a wolf mindset trying to push a V/V agenda. How is this logical
Urist is confirmed town/gf so that world that you guys think he is pushing would have been really invalid and had no backup after Urist flipped. There is no setup. My thought is that it would be much more sus if he said:

if urist is town, i would not be surprised at all if proto is mafia

but he did not so Michelle pushing this out of context makes me think that Michelle is a lot less town. SHe hasn't explained any of my other susses on her and questions

This is not the reason I am voting Lavender. I am voting Lavender for the following reasons:

- the constant shade-casting on Michelle during the tutuu cop check incident was scummy.
- the statement "if Alison is town, then Michelle is scum" is scummy.

[1612]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

[Tangrowth]

Now see, I disagree with this.

The onus is on you to try to understand as well. It's a two-way street. This is a team game.

I mean I've tried to understand it. I don't get it. The reasoning is incoherent. It defends posts of Lavenders I didn't even think were scummy and doesn't address the scummiest Lavender posts at all.

I did not mean to imply you hadn't, my bad. I'm just saying... townies are incoherent all the time too. That's what makes this game hard. If they want to win, townies need to somehow get beyond talking past each other and find each other. I feel like we're not doing a good job of doing that with 1612 and Lavender especially, so if either or both are town, it's on us too to figure that out.

[Tangrowth]

I still feel like Michelle is too complacent this phase.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon and @tedxtr , between Lavendar and Michelle, who is more scum to you based off their interactions. I don't think Jeraldoo needs a vote for the one vote we have so I would like to hear your thoughts on this topic rather

I've already talked about this. I think it's Lavender.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

What if it's actually Michelle though. Rip

[Dyslexicon]

Oof. No.

[Alison]

[VOTE: 1612] aubergine

Explain please, I'm anxious.

I've given the only explanation I have. I don't think their posts look comfortable.

It is strictly optimal to vote either Lavender or Michelle today. Do so now, please.

I will.

But I would like to know why.

Because I want to force you to decide whether Lavender or Michelle is scummier. I suspect Lavender or Michelle is V/W, which means that wolves have a very tough decision when it comes to that pair. Either they have to help execute their mafia buddy, or they have to essentially defend someone who might very well get executed and flip scum. As someone in the POE who I am trying to sort, putting down your vote here creates valuable information once we see the EOD flip.

[Tangrowth]

I actually still think it's Michelle. Her play today doesn't feel like a townie who wants to solve.

Let me go back and look at the Baseball game actually. I felt like she was more all over the place there. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Tangrowth]

Hey speed, can we work together to burn Michelle and be right? That'd be nice.

[Dyslexicon]

Lav/Michelle would be funny actually. Not fun to figure that shit out, but a fun tactic. They're both not here right now. I know Michelle is sleeping, so that's fine. But I wish they were both here anyway

[Alison]

Now see, I disagree with this.

The onus is on you to try to understand as well. It's a two-way street. This is a team game.

I mean I've tried to understand it. I don't get it. The reasoning is incoherent. It defends posts of Lavenders I didn't even think were scummy and doesn't address the scummiest Lavender posts at all.

I did not mean to imply you hadn't, my bad. I'm just saying... townies are incoherent all the time too. That's what makes this game hard. If they want to win, townies need to somehow get beyond talking past each other and find each other. I feel like we're not doing a good job of doing that with 1612 and Lavender especially, so if either or both are town, it's on us too to figure that out.

I mean yes. This is why my post was not "I can't understand your post, you are scum, go away". It was "I can't understand your post - help me understand your reasoning". And if 1612 is town, he will help me understand his reasoning, and hopefully help me figure out that he is town.

[Dyslexicon]

Ok, I'm getting more anxious about this. If I freak out, please calm me down.

[Alison]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

Don't worry, we'll execute Michelle if Lavender flips town.

[Tangrowth]

Ok, I'm getting more anxious about this. If I freak out, please calm me down.

It's okay, we got this. I know I'm doing my chaotic freak-out right now, but the reason I am is that I'm confident we can figure this out.

[1612]

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

This is the quote that Michelle is pushing and explaining how it is a wolf mindset trying to push a V/V agenda. How is this logical
Urist is confirmed town/gf so that world that you guys think he is pushing would have been really invalid and had no backup after Urist flipped. There is no setup. My thought is that it would be much more sus if he said:

if urist is town, i would not be surprised at all if proto is mafia

but he did not so Michelle pushing this out of context makes me think that Michelle is a lot less town. SHe hasn't explained any of my other susses on her and questions

This is not the reason I am voting Lavender. I am voting Lavender for the following reasons:

- the constant shade-casting on Michelle during the tutuu cop check incident was scummy.
- the statement "if Alison is town, then Michelle is scum" is scummy.

- the constant shade-casting on Michelle during the tutuu cop check incident was scummy.
I feel like you are very biased on that shade cast since you were let off by Michelle which you perceive as town for backing off. But I really think Michelle would be thinking instead, "oof, i gotta back off, she's defending pretty well and I cannot execute the consequences of this vote"
- the statement "if Alison is town, then Michelle is scum" is scummy.
It is not for the above and Michelle hasn't even been quoting that, she's been quoting what I quoted above. She is also very passive about this vote and very comfortable with it. Please reconsider.

[Dyslexicon]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

I have read your posts. They're honestly going right over my head. If you believe in your Michelle read, why would you not vote for Michelle then?

[Tangrowth]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

Don't worry, we'll execute Michelle if Lavender flips town.

No.

And I suspect Michelle but no.

Everything needs to be reassessed at F7.

[Alison]

What really makes me uncomfortable this game is not having to sort [Lavender/1612/jeraldo], but having to sort Urist. Mostly because I won't be around by the time we sort Urist. I would have preferred executing Urist D1 so much more, even if he is town; knowing his alignment for certain would have given us so much more associative information.

Ugh. Fuck EOD flash wagons. ><

[1612]

I actually still think it's Michelle. Her play today doesn't feel like a townie who wants to solve.

Let me go back and look at the Baseball game actually. I felt like she was more all over the place there. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yes ^^, she is very comfortable now.

[Tangrowth]

Don’t worry about Urist, Alison. We can handle it.

[Alison]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

Don't worry, we'll execute Michelle if Lavender flips town.

No.

And I suspect Michelle but no.

Everything needs to be reassessed at F7.

If Lavender flips town then it's really difficult to see how Michelle can be anything but scum. I don't think I'm ever getting there on Lavender/Michelle being V/V unless I'm wrong about basically everything this game.

[Dyslexicon]

What really makes me uncomfortable this game is not having to sort [Lavender/1612/jeraldo], but having to sort Urist. Mostly because I won't be around by the time we sort Urist. I would have preferred executing Urist D1 so much more, even if he is town; knowing his alignment for certain would have given us so much more associative information.

Ugh. Fuck EOD flash wagons. ><

MOOD. Also, I would probably be able to read Nanook. But no point in crying over spilt Nanook.

[Tangrowth]

1612, can you give me a full reads list if you don’t mind?

[1612]

I think [mention]Lavender[/mention] has to talk about what he thinks about M Plus 7 wanting to vote Michelle instead. Cause he explained a pair between Mp7 and Michelle but I don't see it.

[Alison]

- the constant shade-casting on Michelle during the tutuu cop check incident was scummy.
I feel like you are very biased on that shade cast since you were let off by Michelle which you perceive as town for backing off. But I really think Michelle would be thinking instead, "oof, i gotta back off, she's defending pretty well and I cannot execute the consequences of this vote"
- the statement "if Alison is town, then Michelle is scum" is scummy.
It is not for the above and Michelle hasn't even been quoting that, she's been quoting what I quoted above. She is also very passive about this vote and very comfortable with it. Please reconsider.

You aren't actually explaining why Lavender's shade-casting is townie. Coming in and saying "oof, anyone else notice X did something scummy?" and then vanishing is on the face of it a scummy move. Whether or not I am biased to townread Michelle has nothing to do with it.

I don't care what Michelle has been quoting. Lavender did say that statement, and I think it is scummy. If you want to convince me Lavender is town, you have to convince me that statement isn't scummy.

[Tangrowth]

@1612 I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

pleaseee read my posts on him, i know i am biased because i have play4ed with him but the MAJORITY of his quotes are super towny but people took it the wrong way (memey fake claim cop)
Michelle is only pointing out the bad sides of Lavendar's quote which is a really common thing to do if you are mafia

Don't worry, we'll execute Michelle if Lavender flips town.

No.

And I suspect Michelle but no.

Everything needs to be reassessed at F7.

If Lavender flips town then it's really difficult to see how Michelle can be anything but scum. I don't think I'm ever getting there on Lavender/Michelle being V/V unless I'm wrong about basically everything this game.

I’ve played enough FX phases to know that is possible no matter how good of a player anyone is.

[Alison]

What really makes me uncomfortable this game is not having to sort [Lavender/1612/jeraldo], but having to sort Urist. Mostly because I won't be around by the time we sort Urist. I would have preferred executing Urist D1 so much more, even if he is town; knowing his alignment for certain would have given us so much more associative information.

Ugh. Fuck EOD flash wagons. ><

MOOD. Also, I would probably be able to read Nanook. But no point in crying over spilt Nanook.

You were on the nanook wagon! You could have forced an Urist execute by switching your vote.

[Tangrowth]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Alison, that isn't productive right now.

[Alison]

I’ve played enough FX phases to know that is possible no matter how good of a player anyone is.

My point more broadly is that I think it's hard to see a world where Michelle/Lavender is V/V unless I reverse a lot of my srong reads, and that is difficult to see happening unless someone has a really strong argument.

[Urist]

That's what I was thinking... if Lavender is wolfing here and 1612 and jeraldo are both town, then I actually better understand what Lavender is doing today from a "I want to win the game as a wolf" perspective.

Otherwise, if his wolfmates are the other ones in the POE, what the fuck is he doing?

I was actually considering the possibility of Lav/you. Cause his accusation of you doesn't make any sense, but he's really adamant about it. And this is where his vote is going. I'm trying not to tinfoil you, but I think that is a possibility. What do you think of that?

Accurate

[Alison]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Hmm.

[Dyslexicon]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Alison, that isn't productive right now.

I was considering this. But then why would he work so hard to defend someone who could just be misyeeted? Like, what's the gain of that? Just random white knighting? I think it's more likely s/s or 1612 is wrong from friend bias or something.

[Tangrowth]

Despite what I’m saying to you, Alison, I do think Michelle and Lavender make sense as the wagons today.

I also would be okay with 1612 replacing one of those I think.

[Dyslexicon]

Urist, please help

[Tangrowth]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Alison, that isn't productive right now.

I was considering this. But then why would he work so hard to defend someone who could just be misyeeted? Like, what's the gain of that? Just random white knighting? I think it's more likely s/s or 1612 is wrong from friend bias or something.

Friend bias is possible. But it does instinctively read like white knighting to me.

[Dyslexicon]

Despite what I’m saying to you, Alison, I do think Michelle and Lavender make sense as the wagons today.

I also would be okay with 1612 replacing one of those I think.

Three way tie FOR THE RAND

[Tangrowth]

Lol if Lavender is just wolfing here and in that case I’m running around like a chicken with my head cut off but like... I don’t want to be at F7 tomorrow.

[Dyslexicon]

Lol if Lavender is just wolfing here and in that case I’m running around like a chicken with my head cut off but like... I don’t want to be at F7 tomorrow.

Can we just yeet Speed tbh tbh

[Alison]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Hmm.

I don't think I'd call it TMI. 1612 thinks Lavender is town, not because they are rushing to Lavender's defense, but because they think Michelle is scum. If you read up as to the post where I ask them to defend Lavender, their arguments are focused solely around how Michelle has been doing scummy things and that reflects well on Lavender since Michelle/Lavender is probably V/W.

I could see 1612 distancing from Michelle here, which would imply Lavender is town, though. Since like Urist points out, 1612 is saying Michelle is bad on paper but is lending the weight of their vote to the Lavender wagon, in a very close wagon fight.

[Tangrowth]

Lol if Lavender is just wolfing here and in that case I’m running around like a chicken with my head cut off but like... I don’t want to be at F7 tomorrow.

Can we just yeet Speed tbh tbh

I mean, we could. I really have no idea what to do with that slot.

[Tangrowth]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Hmm.

I don't think I'd call it TMI. 1612 thinks Lavender is town, not because they are rushing to Lavender's defense, but because they think Michelle is scum. If you read up as to the post where I ask them to defend Lavender, their arguments are focused solely around how Michelle has been doing scummy things and that reflects well on Lavender since Michelle/Lavender is probably V/W.

I could see 1612 distancing from Michelle here, which would imply Lavender is town, though. Since like Urist points out, 1612 is saying Michelle is bad on paper but is lending the weight of their vote to the Lavender wagon, in a very close wagon fight.

1612/Michelle/speed?

That means they misyeet Lavender today and then only need one player to vote for me tomorrow?

[Alison]

Despite what I’m saying to you, Alison, I do think Michelle and Lavender make sense as the wagons today.

I also would be okay with 1612 replacing one of those I think.

Three way tie FOR THE RAND

We will not be randing today.

[1612]

1612, can you give me a full reads list if you don’t mind?

MP7
Lavendar,
Urist,
Dizzy,

Michelle
Cobbler (Tedxr)
Jeraldoo (speed)

The top four are my town reads.
And my bottom 3 are my scum team.
MP7 gave a solid town post to tutu's reaction check on his fake red check on me. Don't think that was faked and she honestly though I was a red check on tutu's cop claim. She has also been very contributive, I first perceived that as scum especially with the interaction with Urist but after tutu's play, I think I like her more recent posts.
Lavendar, because between the Michelle and Lavendar, I will pick Lavendar everytime. Michelle is VERY comfortable with this vote which gives me more confirmation that she is just pushing Lavendar as scum.
Urist is a green check and although I did think once that he was baiting a cop check as godfather, his quote on "cop shouldnt out if they have a green check, its not very helpful considering godfather is in play" was super non-godfather like so I would like to read that as town.
Dizzy, has been very contributive all throughout the game and has also made good town reads early on that helped form the town circle we have today. I jsut think that all of you guys need to reconsider Cobbler and Michelle in that town circle
The only team I see possible right now is Michelle/Cobbler/Jeraldooo and I would very much like to defend Lavendar through the Michelle flip. I am pretty confident as I am reflecting on whether I am biased or not since I played with him already. But that's not it. If he is tunneled mafia, I don't see him making this much effort to give his legacy info / fake frustration from Alison's tunnel of "I am going to kill you." The two other partners Cobbler and jeraldooo is my POE since they haven't done more than my personal town reads.

[Tangrowth]

If Dizzy or Urist are wolf though that changes things a lot, and I don’t want to consider that today.

[Alison]

1612/Michelle/speed?

That means they misyeet Lavender today and then only need one player to vote for me tomorrow?

Yeah, that is possible.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks 1612! Let me mull over that.

[1612]

Isn't it possible 1612 has TMI on Lavender?

Alison, that isn't productive right now.

I was considering this. But then why would he work so hard to defend someone who could just be misyeeted? Like, what's the gain of that? Just random white knighting? I think it's more likely s/s or 1612 is wrong from friend bias or something.

Friend bias is possible. But it does instinctively read like white knighting to me.

I did consider that, but I am trying to remain neutral to all players here in my personal reads and I think honestly I have never seen Lavendar play this way as scum. I will not discuss further because people consider that OGI but yes, I want to think that I am pretty unbiased and focused on gameplay. I really do

[Alison]

1612/Michelle/speed?

That means they misyeet Lavender today and then only need one player to vote for me tomorrow?

Yeah, that is possible.

If this is their plan then 1612 giving a townread on you seems weird. If I was scum 1612 with this team and this plan, I'd agree with Lavender's scumread on you, then "follow confirmed town" to help execute Lavender, then use Lavender's legacy scumread on you to convince the other townies to vote you.