The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[Tangrowth]

[VOTE: Jeraldo] aubergine

So my hammertunities are not spoiled. I don't know why this is important to me lol

Also why not vote Jeraldo tbh tbh

I mean... we could lmao, but like. It's really difficult to decide between the three.

I'm not sure what to make of speed's posts since he entered the game. Let me go look at those again.

[Alison]

I might be tunneled with Lavendar town and Michelle tunneling him as townas well, but I jsut ahd to give my two cents with Alison and Michelle not reading his legacy info at all and how town it was. Like Alison did you still not read the long paragraph he gave? I don't understand, i really dont

I read the paragraph. I'm not convinced it makes him town. Do you have an argument why it's townie?

I would be going into OGI personal reads that you asked me not go into...?

Talking about meta is okay.

But also if your read on Lavender involves meta stuff, why would you expect me to understand that it's townie?

[Tangrowth]

I need to re-consider the 1612 and Lavender both being town world though. That means...

X/speed/Michelle? where X is most likely Cobbler but could be Urist or Dizzy?

Ugh.

Yeah, if Lav and 1612 are actually both town I hate this game. Actually I think Urist has been pretty underwhelming for being copped town.

Yeah, that really worries me.

[Dyslexicon]

What was Proto's read on Lav?

[Tangrowth]

What was Proto's read on Lav?

Great question, let me go back and look.

[Alison]

I need to re-consider the 1612 and Lavender both being town world though. That means...

X/speed/Michelle? where X is most likely Cobbler but could be Urist or Dizzy?

Ugh.

Yeah, if Lav and 1612 are actually both town I hate this game. Actually I think Urist has been pretty underwhelming for being copped town.

Yes, he has, but game theory binds my hands. I can't touch him unless the possibility that he's specifically Godfather outweighs the possibility that any other person is mafia in general, and I am also willing to throw away a possible clear on him if we execute the Godfather. Even if he is underwhelming, it is not correct to execute him yet.

[1612]

I might be tunneled with Lavendar town and Michelle tunneling him as townas well, but I jsut ahd to give my two cents with Alison and Michelle not reading his legacy info at all and how town it was. Like Alison did you still not read the long paragraph he gave? I don't understand, i really dont

I read the paragraph. I'm not convinced it makes him town. Do you have an argument why it's townie?

I would be going into OGI personal reads that you asked me not go into...?

Talking about meta is okay.

Okay I said this before but based off his meta gameplay, he is always super goofy (people sussed him for his weird way of talking and his fake cop claim), I think that's NAI
He also showed GENUINE frustration for being tunneled by you and gave so much effort into his legacy info that in my opinion I have never seen with Lavendar Goofy Mafia. He would usually jsut accept defeat and say oh well or set up wrong list of reads to mislead town for false info. It seemed very genuine and I have seen nothing from Michelle to suggest that she is town except for your one case Day 1 interaction with her swapping off of you.
The quote that Michelle quotes was not scummy at all, at worst it was wrong town mindset
The quote that YOU mentioned was a bit scummy and but after looking at the context, I think he was just speaking his mind on what was happening. I mean isn't that the reason you searched Urist n1? You thought he was scummy for trying to push you and Lavendar had similar thoughts which is why he said something that can be taken out of context.

In the end after looking at quotes and the game state, its jsut a selfish personal read on him. He keeps it real light and considering the emotion i've seen in his defense, I don't think it's his character to do that as mafia, only town. But I am a big sucker for acting so hopefully I am not tunneled here

[Dyslexicon]

What was Proto's read on Lav?

Great question, let me go back and look.

Just checked. Was in the scum pile. So Proto and 1612 disagree and they both have meta, I think? Don't know what that says about 1612.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Hmm, an interesting development.

I was pretty sure Urist had been softing cop (and I was dumb for not getting it) but now Tutuu is hard claiming cop, so Urist is now mega sus in my eyes.


So my reads list.

Tutu - Cop claim - uncced.
Proto - Villy claim - never rescinding

Town (highest town equity to lowest)

Jeraldooo - need more posts but going off their one AI post, I could see town jeraldooo having all/most of those reads as a new player coming to forum and having no meta with the players.

Alison - im paranoid about alison, but thinking about it all, she wanted to vote Michelle and Urist who I now think are mafia. This is consistent with Alison being town although she says she is a serial busser of partners. I voted Nanook over urist mainly because at the time, I thought Alison was scummier than Urist and Alison was voting for Urist.

Cobbler - needs more posts but I get a decent town feel.


Null (town to scum within null list)

Dizzy - probably town, but they are supposed to be good at this game, and they keep calling me scum. Either they need to get better at reading me, I need to get better at projecting town, or Dizzy is mafia.

MP7 - need more AI posts to sort. LC said be wary. I am.

1612 - last post was really weird from 1612. It doesnt read like his thought process. @jeraldooo and @Lavender back me up here. The other posts starting "oh boy" etc sound like 1612 speaking. Need more from 1612 before I lock them as scum or town.


Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]1612[/mention] What do you think of Proto reading Lav as scum though? We know Proto was town so the read was genuine

[Tangrowth]

What was Proto's read on Lav?

Great question, let me go back and look.

I'm really glad you asked this.

[1612]

I need to re-consider the 1612 and Lavender both being town world though. That means...

X/speed/Michelle? where X is most likely Cobbler but could be Urist or Dizzy?

Ugh.

Yeah, if Lav and 1612 are actually both town I hate this game. Actually I think Urist has been pretty underwhelming for being copped town.

well get prepared because it's going to be a real rough final 7 if alison doesn't swap off to michelle

[Tangrowth]

I might be tunneled with Lavendar town and Michelle tunneling him as townas well, but I jsut ahd to give my two cents with Alison and Michelle not reading his legacy info at all and how town it was. Like Alison did you still not read the long paragraph he gave? I don't understand, i really dont

I read the paragraph. I'm not convinced it makes him town. Do you have an argument why it's townie?

I would be going into OGI personal reads that you asked me not go into...?

Talking about meta is okay.

Okay I said this before but based off his meta gameplay, he is always super goofy (people sussed him for his weird way of talking and his fake cop claim), I think that's NAI
He also showed GENUINE frustration for being tunneled by you and gave so much effort into his legacy info that in my opinion I have never seen with Lavendar Goofy Mafia. He would usually jsut accept defeat and say oh well or set up wrong list of reads to mislead town for false info. It seemed very genuine and I have seen nothing from Michelle to suggest that she is town except for your one case Day 1 interaction with her swapping off of you.
The quote that Michelle quotes was not scummy at all, at worst it was wrong town mindset
The quote that YOU mentioned was a bit scummy and but after looking at the context, I think he was just speaking his mind on what was happening. I mean isn't that the reason you searched Urist n1? You thought he was scummy for trying to push you and Lavendar had similar thoughts which is why he said something that can be taken out of context.

In the end after looking at quotes and the game state, its jsut a selfish personal read on him. He keeps it real light and considering the emotion i've seen in his defense, I don't think it's his character to do that as mafia, only town. But I am a big sucker for acting so hopefully I am not tunneled here

So many qualifying statements. I don't like them.

[Tangrowth]

You know, 1612/Lavender/Urist is a possibility still.

[Dyslexicon]

Think that makes s/s or t/t more likely. But t/t so rip I can't do that.

[1612]

@1612 What do you think of Proto reading Lav as scum though? We know Proto was town so the read was genuine

OMGUS. Don't listen to Proto LOL. Shake my head.
I think he jsut didn't know how to react to Lavendar's memey tunneled vote on him. But if he was here right now and not modkilled, I would think he would agree with me that Lavendar is much more town than michelle based off the fight between them.

[Tangrowth]

I think more than ever that 1612 and Lavender should be the main two wagons still. Let's do it.

[Tangrowth]

@1612 What do you think of Proto reading Lav as scum though? We know Proto was town so the read was genuine

OMGUS. Don't listen to Proto LOL. Shake my head.
I think he jsut didn't know how to react to Lavendar's memey tunneled vote on him. But if he was here right now and not modkilled, I would think he would agree with me that Lavendar is much more town than michelle based off the fight between them.

Uhhhh?

[1612]

You know, 1612/Lavender/Urist is a possibility still.

You are in for a rough final 7 if you think that oh my

[Urist]

I have to vote lavendar here, this sucks it really does. none of the two in questions are even here to give me something to work with or talk about

Well maybe you should have voted sooner

[Dyslexicon]

Bombyescum when?

[Tangrowth]

Hey Urist, what are your updated thoughts?

[1612]

If you guys choose to banish me instead of Lavendar here, please look at Michelle for possible scum and reconsider

[Tangrowth]

Bombyescum when?

Closer to deadline, but I'm down.

I suppose at the end of the day I don't care which of 1612 and Lavender, even if I feel more personally invested in 1612.

[Urist]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] change vote in poll pls

[Alison]

Please stop with the "you are in for a rough F7 if you do this" stuff. I don't know why people do stuff like this. It doesn't convince anyone, it attracts scumread on you (which is bad regardless of your alignment here), and it annoys people who are just trying to play the game the best they can.

[Tangrowth]

Please stop with the "you are in for a rough F7 if you do this" stuff. I don't know why people do stuff like this. It doesn't convince anyone, it attracts scumread on you (which is bad regardless of your alignment here), and it annoys people who are just trying to play the game the best they can.

He's probably just a wolf, it's okay. I increasingly think it's faked emotion.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon change vote in poll pls

I'll change if Alison moves to 1612 or MP or you move to Lavender. I'll state intent to hammer. I just want a flip tbh. I think Lav/1612 is more likely than ever

[Alison]

No townie here wants to choose wrongly. Every single one of us is trying to avoid having to walk into F7 tomorrow, and every single one of us is aware that whatever execution we end up choosing, there is a probability that it leads us to F7. There is no purpose to saying "you will end up in F7 if you do this" except to make us feel guilty or paranoid, neither of which are things we should be feeling at this stage in the game.

[Dyslexicon]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

[Tangrowth]

No townie here wants to choose wrongly. Every single one of us is trying to avoid having to walk into F7 tomorrow, and every single one of us is aware that whatever execution we end up choosing, there is a probability that it leads us to F7. There is no purpose to saying "you will end up in F7 if you do this" except to make us feel guilty or paranoid, neither of which are things we should be feeling at this stage in the game.

Exactly, it's why we should yeet 1612.

[Alison]

Please stop with the "you are in for a rough F7 if you do this" stuff. I don't know why people do stuff like this. It doesn't convince anyone, it attracts scumread on you (which is bad regardless of your alignment here), and it annoys people who are just trying to play the game the best they can.

He's probably just a wolf, it's okay. I increasingly think it's faked emotion.

If 1612 is a wolf then the intensity of this emotion makes me think it's a last ditch effort at saving his scum buddy. And if 1612 is not a wolf then obviously I do not want to vote him. So I'm comfortable with a Lavender vote here.

[Tangrowth]

MP7 D3 EOD vibes reads

Confirmed town
Alison

Pseudo-confirmed town
Urist

Strong town
Dyslexicon

Slight town
cobbler

Upper POE
jeraldo/speed
Michelle

Lower POE
Lavender
1612

[Tangrowth]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

Totally fmpov. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would be disqualifying.

[1612]

Sorry about if I am making the game unenjoyable for you guys, just trying my best to defend here. You're right, I'll try not to say those types of words in my future games here/mafia.gg in general

[Alison]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

[Tangrowth]

All of that worldbuilding and I think if we yeet the 4-person POE I outlined above, we win. Feeling pretty good about it right now. Although of course everything is a rollercoaster, and constant re-assessment is required, but... a lot of good effort has been put into all of this from what I can tell, and I've really tried to consider 1612 and Lavender separately as town with a lot of headspace, and like...

[Dyslexicon]

I'm mindmelding a lot with MP this EoD, especially when going back to consider the Proto Lav read. If MP is scum here I'm stumped.

[1612]

This is just how we play in voice chat (not all of it is guilt tripping) but I do agree it's not the best type of sportsmanship town or mafia. Sorry about that, I retract my guilt-inducing statement [mention]M Plus 7[/mention], but you have scum read a team full of my town reads.

[Tangrowth]

Sorry about if I am making the game unenjoyable for you guys, just trying my best to defend here. You're right, I'll try not to say those types of words in my future games here/mafia.gg in general

Not at all, you're fine. I understand the frustration regardless of alignment. Alison is allergic to emotion, hehe.

[Tangrowth]

This is just how we play in voice chat (not all of it is guilt tripping) but I do agree it's not the best type of sportsmanship town or mafia. Sorry about that, I retract my guilt-inducing statement @M Plus 7, but you have scum read a team full of my town reads.

I mean, I'm sorry we couldn't come together and find a bridge to build if you are town. That's on me to a large degree. I feel like I've really tried though.

[Dyslexicon]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

A lot of the players are not pushable. Tutu cleared you and herself, semi-cleared Urist. They can't push me without looking bad and lol I'd like to see them try. What else are they going to do?

[Tangrowth]

I do hope to play with you again, 1612, regardless. I have really enjoyed the playerlist this game.

[Tangrowth]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

A lot of the players are not pushable. Tutu cleared you and herself, semi-cleared Urist. They can't push me without looking bad and lol I'd like to see them try. What else are they going to do?

Push me? Lavender tried to do that, and even Michelle did off and on with some mild questioning of me in her ISO.

[Tangrowth]

Imagine Lav/1612/Michelle, is that possible?

I don't think so. What wolf team comes into the game with 4 town flips, one of which was a modkill that was very bad for town, and two replacements, and goes "hm, I think we should start bussing each other"?

A lot of the players are not pushable. Tutu cleared you and herself, semi-cleared Urist. They can't push me without looking bad and lol I'd like to see them try. What else are they going to do?

Push me? Lavender tried to do that, and even Michelle did off and on with some mild questioning of me in her ISO.

In fact, if that is the exact team, 1612 white knighting me makes the most sense, right?

[Dyslexicon]

Push me? Lavender tried to do that, and even Michelle did off and on with some mild questioning of me in her ISO.

Yeah, I guess. Point being the wiggle room is not really there. Also, people love bussing apparently lol

Adk. It doesn't have to be the exact team, but probably not far off imo

[Tangrowth]

I'm a little worried about Michelle's vote on Lavender, but I guess speed's vote on 1612 could be something too.

[Tangrowth]

Push me? Lavender tried to do that, and even Michelle did off and on with some mild questioning of me in her ISO.

Yeah, I guess. Point being the wiggle room is not really there. Also, people love bussing apparently lol

Adk. It doesn't have to be the exact team, but probably not far off imo

Well, even still 1612 is hard defending Lavender, so there would be various strategies employed.

[1612]

The only thing that I don't get what Lavendar said and what he saw is how he viewed MP7 and Michelle as a team. That to me was strange but everything else for me was in boundaries indicating that he was town. I really wish he was here right now

[Alison]

Sorry about if I am making the game unenjoyable for you guys, just trying my best to defend here. You're right, I'll try not to say those types of words in my future games here/mafia.gg in general

Not at all, you're fine. I understand the frustration regardless of alignment. Alison is allergic to emotion, hehe.

I'm not allergic to emotion. In an ideal world mafia would be played solely without emotion, but we do not live in an ideal world, and it is even more irrational to pretend emotion doesn't exist and to not use it to help you get better reads. I often use emotion to read people even if I don't have much myself. I am just saying that it is incorrect to express this particular kind of emotion regardless of alignment, and that it negatively affects town members.