Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

[nutella]

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

we mostly ignore them, a lot of people (myself included) just leave the thread open all the time so it doesn't mean anything. as a mod I can see invisible people but I don't pay any attention to it

[Timsup2nothin]

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

Better not be since I turned mine off as well.

[iaafr]

yall already know how easily i might flip flop off this scumread

but ive been tunneling this pretty much the entire time ive been postcapped

[Benson]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

[Timsup2nothin]

Benson your whale gif is super cool!

[iaafr]

[mention]protocultures[/mention] btw the way to keep track of your post count is using the "posts in topic" feature imo

though you'll have to keep track of how many you were at before each phase started

[Benson]

Benson your whale gif is super cool!

Good, because there will be more.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

[iaafr]

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

just gonna note randomly that this pinged me as potentially scum with radishes (because i dont think radishes has been nearly as towny as me and tutuu and this kind of early declaration of 3 townreads comes from scum a decent amount) but this is like

an extremely weak read

posting it anyway because why not

[iaafr]

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

[Benson]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

[Benson]

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

*would not wouldn't

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

There's hardly anything that can't be faked, the question always really comes down to "is this a fake that would occur to this person?" That I can't really answer. I know it would occur to me, but I think like that all the time.

[iaafr]

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

[iaafr]

tfw have f r e e u n l i m i t e d p o s t i n g for 10 more minutes but no good shitposts in mind to take advantage

[Benson]

I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

There's hardly anything that can't be faked, the question always really comes down to "is this a fake that would occur to this person?" That I can't really answer. I know it would occur to me, but I think like that all the time.

Sorry, my insinuation was more or less that yes, that fake could occur to him.

[iaafr]

[WerewolfHunter]

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

I am so not used to that feature. Lol sometimes I may be on a different tab but have this open

Good luck everyone!

[iaafr]

i have no idea what that says i hope it wasnt offensive

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

[iaafr]

Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

my townread on tutuu is essentially for depth and transparency of thoughts that felt genuine and idiosyncratic

my townlean on alison is because i also thought tutuu gave mild scum vibes early and alison's readiness to jump on her susses and get into the game immediately is towny in my book

[Timsup2nothin]

Rabbit's just Rabbit...if his Amy read flip flops less than five times in the course of D1 I will worry about him.

[Benson]

Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

I think scum theater is in play, though unlikely. I agree with the latter assessment and overall I come out of D0 with a town lean on tutuu as well.

[Benson]

I thought Alison went after tutuu purely for reactions. I might be wrong.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Reserved for day 1 flavor (it's real guys it's real).

[TonyStarkPrime]

Day 1 has begun. You have 48 hours. Majority isn't an instant chop. You have 60 posts.

Limit:
Alison: 80
Amy: 68
Benson: 101
coliniscool: 65
Colonialbob: 61
Dyslexicon: 61
iaafr: 101
Long Con
Master Radishes: 82
NANOOK: 68
nutella: 84
Protocultures: 65
Scirrus: 62
Timsup2nothin: 96
Tutuu: 90
WerewolfHunter: 77

[iaafr]

Rabbit's just Rabbit...if his Amy read flip flops less than five times in the course of D1 I will worry about him.

would you believe ive managed to stay voted on a single player for over 80% of day 1 as town before

its happened like once in a non turbo (though it was 3/21) and in a few turbos

anyway im bringing this up because i imagine this might be one of those games; im pretty tunneled



1/60 btw

[iaafr]

now gonna actively lurk and conserve posts for the first 24h

[Long Con]

Reserved for day 1 flavor (it's real guys it's real).

[TonyStarkPrime]

I reset the poll. If you already voted, please revote.

[Timsup2nothin]

now gonna actively lurk and conserve posts for the first 24h

I think I've presented my first impressions as thoroughly as I could. I too plan on doing more reading than posting for a while.

I'm hoping the people with limited day 0 presence will make a point of showing up and showing out here so some sort of processing on their slots can get started.

As promised, full on comprehensive reads, even if based on limited information, inbound and about twenty hours out.

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

reposting this for this page and to reiterate pretty much nothing's changed except maybe moving benson up to townleans

and reiterating that my vote will be on amy till further notice

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

[protocultures]

is there a voting copy pasta I am supposed to use?

VOTE AMY - aubergine for searching later.

1/30 for day 1 part 1
1/60 for day 1 in total

[Benson]

The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

[Benson]

The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

You have to put [vote*] player [/vote*] without the asterisks.

Or you can go into the full editor and select the "vote" button to do it for you.

[iaafr]

The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

honestly thats over half the reason; i'm ok with the radishes thoughts too

still fearing you and got pinged by some stuff though, not gonna telegraph/explain until it becomes relevant

[tutuu]

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

[iaafr]

i think it's fair to not have nutella as town

ive wavered a bit but i decided her progression on me was more towny than not

probably the weakest in my top tier but theres something about the way shes forming thoughts that feels like i should just town her and not question it too much

but yeah not begrudging not having that read, idk.

(also possibly spewed v by amy hell yea preflip tunneling)

5/60

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

<3

[ColinIsCool]

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

[Timsup2nothin]

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

[Benson]

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

Legit lold at the whale avatar thing. Names are forgettable but beluga whales are forever.

Spoiler: show

I don't know if you saw, but I've been lightly sussing nute so far. I've towned with her once before and I feel like I found her pretty quickly because she projected well with how villagery her stream-of-conscious posting came across. The constraints of this game are certainly different but I'm not seeing those towny thoughts. Like she's mainly just agreed or disagreed with things that others are saying. But maybe it was D0 and she didn't care that much?

I think I'll force myself to break for the night so I don't waste too many posts before the round has really started.

[Amy]

This is the one and only post I'm gonna use for self-defense unless this wagon sticks.

Consider this post largely addressed at Rabbit.

I'm multitabling. I'm pooped from Anni. I tend to intentionally use light games to decompress and not tryhard. And perhaps most pertinently, I'm pretty damn capable of faking joie de vivre as a wolf. It'd perhaps be harder if I was burned out from wolfing, but I've had a healthy mix of rands thus far this summer and if I were a wolf here I don't think we'd be in for a mountainado repeat. Go take a peek at my ISO in Voxx 9er if you don't believe me, but early tonereads aren't a good way to catch me.

You're correct that nothing I've posted yet is out of my wolfrange. If you're expecting me to leave my wolfrange in... 9? posts on day 0, you have unrealistic expectations for my towngame.

I was always entering this game with Zackpasta regardless of rand, it's a good pasta. I considered making a joke at proto's expense about not realizing it was a pasta but honestly I was afraid he wouldn't get that one either. Having people not realize jokes are jokes gets old.

Hopefully my future body of work will speak for itself, but I'd prefer to nip any misguided tunnels in the bud; like I said, Anni was exhausting. Will be around to post more content later tonight.

The worst vote on me is Nutella's.

1/60

[tutuu]

Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

my townread on tutuu is essentially for depth and transparency of thoughts that felt genuine and idiosyncratic

my townlean on alison is because i also thought tutuu gave mild scum vibes early and alison's readiness to jump on her susses and get into the game immediately is towny in my book

curious what u perceive as idiosyncratic :P cuz like from my pov everything i do is completely normal and makes sense but i know that everyone is biased to think that for themselves!

that post limit tony posted ... nvm i figured it out

im digging tim's posts alot. not in the sense of townyness like i already decide he's town for that one silly reason earlier, but like i just read them and nod along as im reading them

also do wanna note that in my opinion scirrus can come off as a lynch bait so do be careful with that would be my advise

iaafr despite being the top poster i cant comfortably settle on a read on him yet. thats probably ok. maybe im not supposed to force myself to read everyone so soon? better be an accurate sniper rifle than a machine gun that just sprays and prays imo

tutuu
proto
alison
timsup2nothing
beluga whale

nanook
masterRadishes

rest

(i just realized i gave 6 reads right after saying i wanna value accuracy over volume LOL. well i guess ... that i dont feel like im throwing darts by making these townreads)

right, also, no opinion on amy. again i hate the concept of scumreads and putting pressure, it doesnt work in my mind. if i find her as town i will speak up. otherwise i will forever remain silent

2/60

[iaafr]

ok sure i buy it why not

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[nutella]

This is the one and only post I'm gonna use for self-defense unless this wagon sticks.

Consider this post largely addressed at Rabbit.

I'm multitabling. I'm pooped from Anni. I tend to intentionally use light games to decompress and not tryhard. And perhaps most pertinently, I'm pretty damn capable of faking joie de vivre as a wolf. It'd perhaps be harder if I was burned out from wolfing, but I've had a healthy mix of rands thus far this summer and if I were a wolf here I don't think we'd be in for a mountainado repeat. Go take a peek at my ISO in Voxx 9er if you don't believe me, but early tonereads aren't a good way to catch me.

You're correct that nothing I've posted yet is out of my wolfrange. If you're expecting me to leave my wolfrange in... 9? posts on day 0, you have unrealistic expectations for my towngame.

I was always entering this game with Zackpasta regardless of rand, it's a good pasta. I considered making a joke at proto's expense about not realizing it was a pasta but honestly I was afraid he wouldn't get that one either. Having people not realize jokes are jokes gets old.

Hopefully my future body of work will speak for itself, but I'd prefer to nip any misguided tunnels in the bud; like I said, Anni was exhausting. Will be around to post more content later tonight.

The worst vote on me is Nutella's.

1/60

I buy this for now and also I am not voting for you lol (for now :P)

[tutuu]

actually i will go against what i just said

i think amy is towny for her latest post and im gonna [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

3/60

[nutella]

zOmG eVeRyOnE iS ToWnY