Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

disregard everything i said. an AWP cant kill the mafia fast enough. iaafr and nutella are both mafia. give me 10 seconds and i will find the other 2

4/60

[iaafr]

nope changed my mind again

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

Rabbit's just Rabbit...if his Amy read flip flops less than five times in the course of D1 I will worry about him.

would you believe ive managed to stay voted on a single player for over 80% of day 1 as town before

its happened like once in a non turbo (though it was 3/21) and in a few turbos

anyway im bringing this up because i imagine this might be one of those games; im pretty tunneled



1/60 btw

nope changed my mind again

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Would I believe Rabbit held a vote for 80% of a day....



LOLOLOLOLOL

[iaafr]

its still possible man i was only voted on nutella for like 2m

[Timsup2nothin]

its still possible man i was only voted on nutella for like 2m

I was gonna count flip flops, not cumulative time.



Fluff post mostly just to get this recorded:

P=N-36

[KZA]

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

Was about to get really annoyed with you then noticed you were scumhunting yourself again

[tutuu]

i have never ever ever ever guessed the scum team correctly on day 1, or well at least, not in a game this large. let me try

nutella + iaafr + colin + colonialbob

what a nice use of my post

5/60

[Amy]

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

[tutuu]

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

[iaafr]

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

in the world where youre town, i could buy nutella being on you being the scummiest person expressing sus of you. benson/protocultures both seem more genuinely convinced.

i noted that i was wavery on nutella earlier. that's because one of the things you took issue with in the first round of posting (her calling me in my wolfrange) was an issue with me as well. i don't think nutella actually knows my wolfrange. i just liked that she "thought about it more" and moved me to locktown apropos of nothing. i thought that was valid progression. still could've been pockety though, and calling me still in my wolfrange was still sort of pingy.

townreads of this sort are the most precarious because i could just be being pocketed, so yeah.

jumped back on because i decided your defense post still wasnt enough for me to stop tunneling you for now. though unlike what tutuu said, i'm not really trying to pressure per se, it's just an actual scumread that may or may not change. if you think you work better sans pressure, i am perfectly willing to unvote and ignore you for up to 6h to EOD, then re-verdict you then.

[Amy]

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

this is the funniest post itg thus far and i want to lock you town and never reevaluate

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

in the world where youre town, i could buy nutella being on you being the scummiest person expressing sus of you. benson/protocultures both seem more genuinely convinced.

i noted that i was wavery on nutella earlier. that's because one of the things you took issue with in the first round of posting (her calling me in my wolfrange) was an issue with me as well. i don't think nutella actually knows my wolfrange. i just liked that she "thought about it more" and moved me to locktown apropos of nothing. i thought that was valid progression. still could've been pockety though, and calling me still in my wolfrange was still sort of pingy.

townreads of this sort are the most precarious because i could just be being pocketed, so yeah.

jumped back on because i decided your defense post still wasnt enough for me to stop tunneling you for now. though unlike what tutuu said, i'm not really trying to pressure per se, it's just an actual scumread that may or may not change. if you think you work better sans pressure, i am perfectly willing to unvote and ignore you for up to 6h to EOD, then re-verdict you then.

i'm not sure i agree with the reevaluation of nutella

i think it's very easy for a wolf to make an unfounded push, get called out for it, and be like "nah i thought about it more they're town", and i somewhat dislike that you're either overlooking or dismissing this possibility so easily

i don't really give a shit about vote pressure this far out from eod. anni was a different beast because from late day 2 on i was pretty much under constant threat from drone strikes and ITAs, and unless TSP's lost his mind i don't think we're gonna have to deal with those here. do whatever you want, i'll clear myself eventually

[tutuu]

omg i just read wat u said about me amy and it legit made me feel good irl omg ily

im not even gonna read the rest cuz who cares about mafia. omg u made me feel nice. omg omg.

7/60

[Scirrus]

hiii

town once again. never maf. livin the good life

same

haha im a civvie haha

haha same!

Hi. I'm Benson (aka Beluga Whale) and I hate losing.

me too thanks

damn ur hot can i have ur autograph

I wouldn't waste a post on just a greeting, but I expect we will all get checked in and make our decisions so that day zero ends early so not worrying.

Hey everybody! Glad to be playing. Glad to have a new to me forum, and a host with a game, and just feeling good!

this entrance seems too happy. where's the existential dread that would should all be feeling in these harrowing times

anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?

That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.

town post. we must seize the wolves of production

anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?

That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.

doesnt sound very principled idk mind writing a treatise on this?

we only need to follow our overarching principle: wolves bad

[Scirrus]

don't mind me just doing my dutiful towny catchup

i should probably do spoiler tags to make these look less annoying

[iaafr]

i think it's very easy for a wolf to make an unfounded push, get called out for it, and be like "nah i thought about it more they're town", and i somewhat dislike that you're either overlooking or dismissing this possibility so easily

i thought i literally just described me not overlooking this possibility

just

all things considered i still find you scummier

if youre actually town and i get there theres a good chance nutellas where i look next (sans other stuff happening)

also linki edit: scirrus just townclaimed 4 times thats pretty towny i think

[Timsup2nothin]

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

I'm as much of a brawler as you are likely to find...but we can't shoot anyone until EoD so let's not start wrecking the bar just yet.

I do like your style though, so when the violence starts we are gonna get back to back I think...probably you, me, and the whale. Maybe a couple others. Probably no more than that...I have trust issues and am inclined to just shoot a bunch of people and let TSP sort them out.

[tutuu]

gun to head i want to call scirrus scum for this catch up post but then i looked closely under his avatar and i just saw it says "Scirrus" underneath so that makes me think that i should reverse my feelings, call him town, and i might be correct

8/60

[Amy]

[VOTE: Timsup2Nothin] aubergine

4/60

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Timsup2Nothin] aubergine

4/60

What have I done this time?

[tutuu]

i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

[Alison]

I thought Alison went after tutuu purely for reactions. I might be wrong.

You are wrong.

[tutuu]

god im so fucking towny. especially my 2 last post just reek of townyness. reek is a bad word actually, whats the word for pleasant smell? pleasant aroma of full lock town innocent child. subjectively im obv town. objectively im obv town. factually speaking, not up to debate, pure axiom, i am the most towny town this game and i am dying n1 based off of purely how god damn fucking TOWNY i am. if u disagree ur mafia

10/60

[tutuu]

my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol

Wew wolfy post

please explain yourself, member of the mafia

11/60

[Scirrus]

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

why though?

There is only one serious philosophical problem, and that is why I don’t have a girlfriend.

F in the chat

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

i don't hate this push tbh

im town btw

omg rabbit like same tho

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

lol you're cute. i hope you're not scum :0

but yeah idrk if i see it

[tutuu]

no u

12/60

[Alison]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

[Long Con]

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

[iaafr]

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

i can expand a bit

amy enjoys villaging. this is my meta of amy. i consider her the type of player to naturally have lots of thoughts while reading a game, and even general exhaustion is unlikely to suppress those sorts of thoughts when she rolls villager. in that light, i think the volume + depth of thoughts she's shown so far has been lacking. i could easily be wrong, but i don't really have other strong leads rn. i still townread tim as of this moment; i don't agree with scirrus' objection to changing his mind on d0. amy's vote is essentially a nothing fearvote (or if it isn't, she's choosing not to spell out what it is so far), and while tutuu townreads that, i don't.

also the "cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else" will easily naturally be proven wrong over the course of this day regardless

won't defend the push or myself beyond this though.

[Scirrus]

i have my ways

this man about to change the definition of a number, watch out mathematicians

have you been introduced to our lord and savior, "surreal numbers"?

https://www.whitman.edu/documents/Acade ... /Grimm.pdf

I'm actually sorta tempted to look at this later but also i probably won't

alison / tutuu is a civ on civ conflict

i can tell by the pixels

have you played with alison before? or seen her scumplay specifically? just curious

"Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

From what I know about rabbit from a game we played like a year ago and MU specchat, he grossly overruses the word tunnel lol. I feel like just uses it as a filler for "suspect" a lot of the time

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

i mean i'm not really feeling it tbh, should i be worried. Let me know if I should kthx

[Benson]

Well my break was short lived.

I needed to return to tell you all that tutuu is now added to the town whale pod. The thought progression from post to post and within each post is just so villagery, even despite the weirdness of the more recent stuff.
Alison's application to the pod is pending.

I might be getting hard pocketed but let's ignore that for now.

disregard everything i said. an AWP cant kill the mafia fast enough. iaafr and nutella are both mafia. give me 10 seconds and i will find the other 2

4/60

AWP?

But iaafr and nutella being w/w is the spice I needed to marinate this D1. I have no opinion on the read itself but I like it.

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

Lmao. Epic.

Not that I think any of this is wolfy, but your tone has changed SO much from the player at the beginning of the game. What happened? Was it just that you became more comfortable in the game and in your reads that now you want to push the areas you think are promising?

[nutella]

goddamn postcapped games all the posts are too damn long

[iaafr]

this is still a pretty readable game idk

ive seen mu light games that were like 3x worse in terms of wallpost density

[tutuu]

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

also, i love you very much, alison.

tutuu -
proto - town cuz of thinking me saying SHUT UP ALISON was actually rude and thinking it was maf/maf theatre
alison - town cuz rock-paper-scissor fallacy
amy - town cuz of the erect finger tell (im stealing this from dizzy. its basically when u raise ur finger at someone and b like "OH HELL NAW")
beluga whale - town cuz lonely
long con - town cuz i just said why
timsup2nothing - town cuz i like his posts. also i had 1 very intelligent reason listed on day 0
master radishes - town cuz of the "oh do me do me!" gif. like, excitement at seeing how ppl would read him. curiosity. town shit
nanook - town cuz he called me town and maybe correctly townread radish
scirrus - towny cuz hes scummy
KZA - town cuz had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr
colin -
colonialbob -
dizzy -
werewolfhunter -
iaafr - maf cuz voting a villager
nutella - maf cuz just throwing shade and being impossible to townread in my subjective and personal opinion

13/60

edit linki: awp is that sniper from counterstrike, beluga whale

also (to asnwer ur q) i guess my emotions arent set in stone i just felt the mood to change my "persona" u could say idk. from my pov it all makes sense and its normal. maybe its not like that from an outside pov idk

[nutella]

my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol

Wew wolfy post

please explain yourself, member of the mafia

11/60

it was a wolfy post


your recent posts haven't been wolfy tho you seem pretty town gj

[iaafr]

inb4 3+ misclears

[iaafr]

my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol

Wew wolfy post

please explain yourself, member of the mafia

11/60

it was a wolfy post


your recent posts haven't been wolfy tho you seem pretty town gj

i actually dont agree with that post being wolfy btw

could u spell out why you found it wolfy

[nutella]

lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

i like this take

i actually dont agree with that post being wolfy btw

could u spell out why you found it wolfy

it was awkward wording imo, not quite a shroop but like. "so much posts made posted itt already" idk felt wordy in a nervous way. might just be more of a personality thing from her

[Scirrus]

"Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

my word choice is a bit imprecise sometimes and i use connotations that dont quite work

but i got a vibe of "tunnel" from my perceived strength of the scumread there. didn't mean to imply it was persisting a long time. how's bad word choice ai though?

my rhythms too even, the "nerdlean" post was a bit scummy in itself (kinda forced joke feel adjacent to actual read but not actual read), responding to too many people and therefore exuding nervous energy

1) Calling someone's read a tunnel without explaining your reasoning is a lazy way of discrediting it.

2) The second bit, about your rhythms, sounds like you have TMI on yourself. Nobody thought it was scummy, but you're scum so you feel guilty/paranoid about all your posts and want to pre-emptively head off attacks.

How often do you see scum do stuff like this though? Like "oh look at all these summy things i'm doing, pretty scummy, huh?"

i only wanted to call civ/civ for the postgame cred tbqh

and i actually know how to post towny as scum i just sandbag as town and post stupid shit because i always become obvtown anyway

we'll see if i live up to that next phase i suppose

is this a scumslip

u suck tbh

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

WAIT

OK, this might be wolfy.

I'm interested. Why is it wolfy?

I don't know if wanting to disagree and saying he's been towny feels natural. Like what was even towny anyways? Idk, that's obviously not a compelling argument.
But it's always easier for wolves to just pop-in to express disagreement in places where they *know* they are correct. You know?

I mean, did it look like TMI though? I didn't really get that vibe

19/30

Now to decide if "esoteric reasoning" is short for "I want to defend my scum buddy" or "I know tutuu is town because I have TMI". It's probably the latter and calling us V/V is just a pocket attempt.

are u saying this to get the ball rolling or is this genuine town alison? cuz i know that u like being serious or at least u come off often like that, and admittedly i dont know u that well yet but im puzzled as to why u just "reveal ur cards" like that? like, if u wanted to do what u said in this post, why wouldnt u question iaafr so u can then decide based off of his answer? why are u telling him pre-emptively what are u planning to do?


i am also very puzzled at iaafr scumcasing his own post. i thought he's towny and its kinda funny how hard he tried to scumcase himself

and finally im puzzled at benson's post calling my post scummy. maybe im biased cuz i know im town but from my pov i was just being real, and i ended my post with a slight joke "i wanna argue your read on yourself" like i just tought it sounded cute

I don't know if wanting to disagree and saying he's been towny feels natural. Like what was even towny anyways? Idk, that's obviously not a compelling argument.
But it's always easier for wolves to just pop-in to express disagreement in places where they *know* they are correct. You know?

It's the same argument I used with iaafr's read on tutuu/me as V/V, actually.

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

The bolded is true but I don't think wolves usually want to draw attention to it tbh

Idk does anyone that's played with iaafr a lot think he'd wanna do this as scum?

[Long Con]

Nice! I got a townread! I love posts about me, especially when they townread me.

You'll probably reevaluate me sooner than you think.

[Benson]

Regarding Amy's defense, I think it mostly doesn't change anything for me. I initially had a strong suspicious that it all felt wolfy and overly crafted and defensive, but I couldn't really justify that in words. So I don't have much else to say, other than rabbit's read sound plausible: unmotivated wolf lacked motivation to project town. I agree that Amy is probably the player that can easily fake whatever is needed to fake in the early game - and that's why I'm not pushing this much harder - but the motivation thing is a genuine tell. Like I'd 100% be less amped to be in the thread and post if I wasn't town right now. We'll see how the round unfolded. I do like the Amy is confident she'll project town before long.


Scirrus...I don't know what to say. I want to call the catch up posts wolfy but shouldn't because that probably stems from the fact that I don't particularly enjoy reading posts like that (when the quotes are sporadic, don't follow a central theme, and the responses aren't anything substantial. But I can't blame someone for not always being around to interact in real-time. Especially in this format.

[Scirrus]

*edit

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

The bolded is true but I don't think wolves usually want to draw attention to it tbh

Idk does anyone that's played with iaafr a lot think he'd wanna do this as scum?

[iaafr]

currently rolling through head: desire to omgus alison, wondering if amy/alison is actually a world with the blatant chainsawing

finding all of scirrus's catchup on the towny side (not even like wolfytowny, just straight towny in my book, genuine, etc)

also [mention]Scirrus[/mention] : my scum meta is i don't sandbag as scum, i try to be as towny as possible to get as good a position as possible, then i start begging my teammates to bus me and then they dont oblige and then i fizzle out d3 when i cant actually fake solving with d3 amounts of information and i just pray theres enough town/town violence for me to hide till endgame

feel free to believe or disbelieve

[Timsup2nothin]

i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

A'ight. Since we can only kill one person at a time as far as I'm willing to think we can pretty much take in whoever you want, at least temporarily. I actually appreciate that because maybe we can get a similar perspective across to Amy. I'm not gonna fault her, because from a v!Amy perspective "nothing really clear to do here, maybe kill Tim just to be on the safe side" is a plausibly towny thought. I can't really do anything in particular to change her mind because "that's in his wolf range" will be applied to anything I might be able to do in the limited time of day one. However I can be a really useful towny as the game progresses so I am obviously gonna suggest not chopping me today.

Which brings us to the flip side of our little coin here. If I'm taking in whoever you want, at least temporarily, do I get the same trust? Even if it is someone you are thinking is obvious mafia? Because since we are only looking to kill one person in this particular bar fight I'm inclined that it not be Rabbit. His waffly on and offness about Amy I think has a good chance to settle off Amy, and if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone. And either way from there I think he works clear if he is clear.

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Then there's this.

Spoiler: show

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

why though?

There is only one serious philosophical problem, and that is why I don’t have a girlfriend.

F in the chat

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

i don't hate this push tbh

im town btw

omg rabbit like same tho

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

Spoiler: show

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

lol you're cute. i hope you're not scum :0

but yeah idrk if i see it

As much as you say it, I do have to start wondering if you are being honest. I WILL be honest and say that I don't care what you "don't like." If you wanna throw shade, throw it. But don't bury it under some mamby-pamby 'I don't like it...' like you don't know what to do. If you think it's wolf indicative, rise up and say so.

For the record, having never played a day zero in my life I thought accepting Rabbit's greater experience in the matter was pretty civilized of me.

[nutella]

not chopping today
iaafr
alison
tutuu
tim
nanook
benson

probably not chopping today but need more from to be sure
scirrus
radish
lc
kza
proto

poe ish
dizzy
amy
colin
cbob
wwh


....bad sign for dizzy that i didn't even put him in the middle tier, he really needs to show up and be dizzy

[tutuu]

my read on proto is based off of meta. like 99% of it, tim. thats why im so confident and desire to get sheeped for THAT particular read, at least.

if your townread on iaafr is based off of meta / you have some strong feelings that you cant verbalize, sure. i am going to unvote iaafr and vote nutella. but please make sure your read is right. if ur wrong we wont play this little game in future games and naturally if im wrong i wont ever suggest u extend this trust towards me either.

uh actually i dont want to make you waste one of your posts just to confirm that u wish for me to indeed unvote iaafr. ill just assume that is what u want.

i will be honest that u are not from my top townreads. in fact there are like 4-5 ppl i townread more than you, LOL. but, i do think that its nice of u to roleplay masons with me, so sure.

lets watch our backs in this bar brawl, but from time to time throw each other split second squints of suspicioun.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

14/60

[iaafr]

if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone

this is a lot of faith in somebody who kinda failed to have good/confident reads d1 d2 and blatantly went against your plan d4+ of spec chat warrior game

you pocketing me?

[nutella]

already tinfoiling tutuu again rip

[nutella]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

[tutuu]

already tinfoiling tutuu again rip

interesting. its like i poked u with a stick and u reacted

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

nutella is my top town. (now say something)

[tutuu]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

wrong. wrong. wrong. logical fallacy for at least 50 reasons.

its a scumtell if proto was under pressure. he is not.