Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[iaafr]

fwiw though i have gotten the desire to do ate-esque "your wrong lol" posts im going to try to refrain this game

i try to reserve those for people who repeatedly tunnel me for bad reasons

i mean i dont think tutuu's sr on me is particularly good (now that i think about it why again? because my scumread of my is bad? but its a good scumread lmfao) but first time honest mistake thats fiiiiiine

[Long Con]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

wrong. wrong. wrong. logical fallacy for at least 50 reasons.

its a scumtell if proto was under pressure. he is not.

That's not a logical fallacy. A scum can buddy some villager without it being a whiteknight situation.

[Timsup2nothin]

if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone

this is a lot of faith in somebody who kinda failed to have good/confident reads d1 d2 and blatantly went against your plan d4+ of spec chat warrior game

you pocketing me?

Nah. Pocketing is way too clumsy. See my explanation below.

my read on proto is based off of meta. like 99% of it, tim. thats why im so confident and desire to get sheeped for THAT particular read, at least.

if your townread on iaafr is based off of meta / you have some strong feelings that you cant verbalize, sure. i am going to unvote iaafr and vote nutella. but please make sure your read is right. if ur wrong we wont play this little game in future games and naturally if im wrong i wont ever suggest u extend this trust towards me either.

uh actually i dont want to make you waste one of your posts just to confirm that u wish for me to indeed unvote iaafr. ill just assume that is what u want.

i will be honest that u are not from my top townreads. in fact there are like 4-5 ppl i townread more than you, LOL. but, i do think that its nice of u to roleplay masons with me, so sure.

lets watch our backs in this bar brawl, but from time to time throw each other split second squints of suspicioun.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

14/60

No worries. Once we chop someone and burn this bar to the ground over them we will both have ample opportunity to reassess all our reads...including each other. I'm not totally up for chopping Nutella yet, but it's a long day ahead and for now I like that better than chopping Rabbit. My meta on him is only one game but he feels pretty much the same as he did there and a lot of people who really knew him just flat TRed him in that game.

We'll see how he goes.

Who else do you trust more than me?

[Benson]

Of the less prominent players, I do agree that LC looks towny. I like his entire attitude so far.
But the rest are pretty null. I've honestly forgotten the posts of players like Proto and Colin. Actually Colin did say something that pinged me, where he dismissed the Amy wagon and supported the nutella suspicions (I think). I'd want to know more about that.

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

Dyslexicon popped in to say something. I said 'hi' and he didn't say hi back so he's basically confirmed mafia.

Kza, like I said, is struggling to get involved in the game. Or he really doesn't care, but I would expect more if he's town here. GIVE ME SOMETHING KAZ.

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the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

OMG, finally a towny take! (Not that I agree)


Tutuu, can you help us understand the meta read and what proto has done to fit that town meta?

[tutuu]

i was joking long con

im still voting nutella iaafr i just pretended to vote u

the list that i posted on the prev page is ordered tim

[nutella]

already tinfoiling tutuu again rip

interesting. its like i poked u with a stick and u reacted

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

nutella is my top town. (now say something)

lmao ok

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

wrong. wrong. wrong. logical fallacy for at least 50 reasons.

its a scumtell if proto was under pressure. he is not.

maybe right

maybe not

idk

[tutuu]

proto is town, beluga whale, cuz he thought i was maf/maf theathre with alison cuz i said SHUT UP ALISON. he is like that cuz he, like, idk how to say it. like he takes stuff overly-serious. like he often doesnt grasp when ppl are lying / saying stuff in jest. and the me + alison stuff in particular is due to our meta. like. uh. space invaders and shit. like his brain is hard to get into it but i believe ive finally managed to unlock his door. dude i cant explain it. thats why i said meta. it was a buzzword for "pls dont ask me"

[Scirrus]

Spoiler: show

...while writing that post I thought more about some stuff rabbit posted and realized he probably is just lock town lmao.

what post(s) made you feel that way?

Shakespeare reference in a Philosopher game.

I'll go with towny on that.

And you would be correct

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

i don't really like this attitude toward d0 and because this isn't a vacuum i don't really agree that playing the game is inherently towny

i guess alison for town makes sense if you go by that assumption, but i wouldn't lol, she likes playing scum

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

hmm tutuu makes an alright point on tim, i kinda like that take

idk why you're making all these qualifiers on an early townlean, makes it not even sound like a townlean

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

Good luck, have fun all – just checking into the game to say I am present and ready. Uh, in case anyone gets suspicious that I am not saying “look at me I am town”, here you go – its totally NAI for me as a player. I am hard to read if you haven’t played with me before, I am still sometimes hard to read if you have – suggest you sheep their reads on me for first few days if I confuse you. Does anyone know how I can keep track of daily postcount? Even on day 0, I have mafia reads on people.

im innocent town thats all i know

Found the mafia.

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

MOOD

but consider

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?

SHUT UP ALISON

im about to watch this movie u recommended btw. kung fu hustle. u said its very funny

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Found another mafia

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

re: protocultures

honestly this is just a really towny post and i immediately wanted to locktown proto for it alone, with extremely limited meta (skimmed space invaders)

the scumreads feel good, not overjustified, just real. this dude has 3 real scumreads off the bat. scum who can post like this are omega rare.

consider this post my towncase on protocultures.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

[Timsup2nothin]

i was joking long con

im still voting nutella iaafr i just pretended to vote u

the list that i posted on the prev page is ordered tim

A'ight. I have no particular inclination to kill anyone above me on that list today, so that works out. I'm out for a good while, and you maybe should conserve some posts as well...up to you.




P=N-36

[iaafr]

inb4 wrong

also nanook gets pass till d3 and is probably town regardless

[WerewolfHunter]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

[iaafr]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

...while writing that post I thought more about some stuff rabbit posted and realized he probably is just lock town lmao.

what post(s) made you feel that way?

tbh it was at least partially due to the stuff he said about how many posts he was going to have lmao. and just his general attitude/approach


also I just had a similar moment in thinking about protocultures and decided he's prob just town too, partially from what tutuu just said about him

[WerewolfHunter]

if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone

this is a lot of faith in somebody who kinda failed to have good/confident reads d1 d2 and blatantly went against your plan d4+ of spec chat warrior game

you pocketing me?

Nah. Pocketing is way too clumsy. See my explanation below.

my read on proto is based off of meta. like 99% of it, tim. thats why im so confident and desire to get sheeped for THAT particular read, at least.

if your townread on iaafr is based off of meta / you have some strong feelings that you cant verbalize, sure. i am going to unvote iaafr and vote nutella. but please make sure your read is right. if ur wrong we wont play this little game in future games and naturally if im wrong i wont ever suggest u extend this trust towards me either.

uh actually i dont want to make you waste one of your posts just to confirm that u wish for me to indeed unvote iaafr. ill just assume that is what u want.

i will be honest that u are not from my top townreads. in fact there are like 4-5 ppl i townread more than you, LOL. but, i do think that its nice of u to roleplay masons with me, so sure.

lets watch our backs in this bar brawl, but from time to time throw each other split second squints of suspicioun.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

14/60

No worries. Once we chop someone and burn this bar to the ground over them we will both have ample opportunity to reassess all our reads...including each other. I'm not totally up for chopping Nutella yet, but it's a long day ahead and for now I like that better than chopping Rabbit. My meta on him is only one game but he feels pretty much the same as he did there and a lot of people who really knew him just flat TRed him in that game.

We'll see how he goes.

Who else do you trust more than me?

I really like this post. I think Tim is likely Town based on this and his other posts

[nutella]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

[iaafr]

[mention]tutuu[/mention]

could you try to work outside of me/nutella? i really legitimately think it's wrong and you're wasting your time if town. even if you think im wrong and lying (im not) its gotta be a useful thought experiment. i have no other restrictions, just outside of me/nutella. (though i know we're pretty much waiting on people to post)

[WerewolfHunter]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

It's past midnight now plus I'm on phone but I will if someone reminds me when I wake up tomorrow

[iaafr]

my d1 glory team was amy/alison/nanook/radishes btw

for a bit

[WerewolfHunter]

See you tomorrow or more accurately later today!

[iaafr]

er d0

anyway this is 23/60 i should do other things in life

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

inb4 wrong

also nanook gets pass till d3 and is probably town regardless

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

[tutuu]

@tutuu

could you try to work outside of me/nutella? i really legitimately think it's wrong and you're wasting your time if town. even if you think im wrong and lying (im not) its gotta be a useful thought experiment. i have no other restrictions, just outside of me/nutella. (though i know we're pretty much waiting on people to post)

i mean im not tunneling u, as u can see im not actively quoting all of ur posts and saying SCUMMY POST, i am interacting with literally everyone, and im still in the process of attaining more and more townreads

if u define this as me tunneling then idk how u define me not tunneling

[iaafr]

inb4 protocultures bussed his entire team and its protocultures/amy/alison/tutuu

also yeah sry forget the accusation of tunneling

i think i have issues with my perception of time

[iaafr]

inb4 protocultures bussed his entire team and its protocultures/amy/alison/tutuu

also yeah sry forget the accusation of tunneling

i think i have issues with my perception of time

guess i should post that dont take this seriously this is me posting a dumb idle thought for no reason this is not where my main headspace is at all and is somewhat unrepresentative / misleading

25/30

[iaafr]

but i mean at the same time when you just spent like at least 6 posts talking about how youre gonna vote between nutella iaafr, used the phrase "obv mafia" for both of us, and made an association with me w, i think its fair to say some perception of tunneling is fair

[iaafr]

im certainly not "tunneling" amy harder than you're "tunneling" me/nutella

[Long Con]

i was joking long con

im still voting nutella iaafr i just pretended to vote u

the list that i posted on the prev page is ordered tim

Sorry, I know you hate to explain the jokes.

[tutuu]

if it bothers u that im calling u scum and voting u i wont call u and nutella scum until 6 hours before eod and then i will reinstate my judgement

otherwise i dont have anything to say. i feel like im being ate'd

[iaafr]

no sorry i didn't mean to put it that way

just defending my word usage and trying to show how im perceiving it

but on the other hand i guess yea i wanna ate a little bit when i think youre determined to vote between two town; just also trying to hold myself back.

[iaafr]

im still willing to entertain nutella scum but idk she's null at worst to me and i think more readable as game goes on? already has a full tiered readslist unlike amy? i don't think you d1 that against amy's body of work at this point in time, maybe if amy starts towning.

[protocultures]

Sorry tutuu, I still think you are mafia. Dont hate me, we can still be anime buddies.

Alison - ehhhhh, I am unconvinced that tutuu did something towny, so cant see why you flipped on Tutuu. Dont want to start a meta of always saying Alison is mafia though, so will just park this read here and leave them in undecided range. other than their flip on Tutuu, I townread Alison.

Nutella - think they are town. Had the same suspicion on Alison re flipping the read on Tutuu, and the post Alison made in mafia tactics. I take Alisons counterpoint, but thats not where my mind went to first, it went to he same place Nutella's did.

Iaafr - cant remember any specific post, but I townread them. In generally, not a fan of quickly reaching post caps though.

LC is impossible to read to me as always.

Amy is still a decent vote for me today, and I am unlikely to change my vote unless something significant happens. probably going to vote tutuu after Amy dies but we could start getting claims from start of next day, so who knows.

Other people, I am undecided.

I feel a bit more tired than usual in a forum game. Im stressed about the post limit although I am posting low numbers anyway, makes no sense.

Will try to play a bit more casual than normal, need to learn to play without reading every post multiple times and go more with feel. Will help when in multiple games at once.

[Scirrus]

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

do you really not think tutuu could/would say this if she was town and frustrated at alison?

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

people can proxy vote to sort of "show where they stand"

doesn't mean as much as much as the poll but it serves as a good way to look back at who was suspecting who when

29/30

tr on proto, i think he believes the stuff he believes. (u can call this sort of a meta read). if ur unsatisfied with this explanation u can ask me for further stuff to say

i have 2 choices for alison. 1) tr her for her enthusiasm to try to catch me scum or 2) scumread her if i put the bar a little higher and expect her to not make overly wrong reads on me. and i think her second post saying "town tutuu does X and scum tutuu does Y" was silly considering the game was like 30-40 posts in none of my friends had even posted by that point AND also the fact that she has never seen me play mafia so idk how could she say with confidence what would maf tutuu do. Despite her being wrong on both of these stuff gth i still wanna call her town. perhaps part of ot could be rock-paper-scissors fallacy (i just invented this fallacy). basically rock paper scissors is down to luck, but also not. so in this context i think that if alison rolled mafia against me this game and she saw that i was town, i think her approach wouldnt be to start by making an illogical push on me (this is the rock paper scissors). so she can b lean town

i also slightly wanna tr nanook primarily cuz he called me town and i liked it.

i read ur stuff about tim, amy, and respectfully i will disagree, ive never played with him b4 but i still think i saw a town posting town stuff, so

Reads:
tutuu
proto

tim
alison

nanook

rest

ok you're just town lol

I like to $#%#post with my morning coffee before work.

Understandable. Have a nice day.


Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

yeah i get the same impression from proto's posts. He's very self aware and I don't think he would have *that* much of an issue posting like that as scum, but it fits well within his town meta. I don't see anything that screams scum particularly

Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

I haven't started playing serious yet, but if I did it would be something I'd bring up too. Self-aware and some reads seem forced.

Scirrus' entrance also poor. Generic roleplay that attempts to disguise an uncomfortable thread entrance.

But I'm not playing serious yet, so I'll just have to wait to mention these thoughts until I am.

Yes I was very uncomfortable so instead of going to sleep I thought posting some awkward RP would smooth over the town

Curious to see what playing serious is. Maybe you will tunnel me instead of just throwing weak shade? I guess we will stay tuned!

Guys I just realised our host needs to start his semifinal game in like four days.

Let's go for the sweep so he won't be distracted.

I played in a game that was hosted by a champs participant during their qualifying match. They did fine and directly advanced. I have every confidence that TSP can handle this.

Besides, for wolves even a sweep takes many days and you my dear root vegetable are far from a lock town at this point.

I like the insertion of that subtle assumption into the conversation though, even if I had to reject it. Points for effort.

28

This post seems kinda serious compared to what it's responding to. Hmm.



Mafia philosophical question: is intuition or rationality more important to you when forming reads? Or is that a bad dichotomy.

God, I hope we get to the next phase and I can post tonight.

It may be far less serious than it appears.

Or it may be highly nuanced. Perhaps...

It expresses support for and confidence in the host, possibly attempting to pocket him for reasons unknown.
It fires a warning shot across the bow for Master Radishes implying that his posts will be assessed with more than just a casual level of scrutiny.
It serves to warn other players that subtle assumptions made about innocuous posts can be used to influence their subsequent reads, and that a highly evolved wolf such as Master Radishes would be if he randed wolf may use such tactics.
It also serves as fair warning that if I had randed wolf I also am a wolf of that nature so should be handled carefully.
It produces the wifom that if I HAD randed wolf I would not want townies to start thinking on such subtle levels so I would have just let it pass, so it effectively town tells me.

Or it could have just been the setup line for a joke about common root vegetables and Master Radishes. I leave it to you to determine for yourself whether to treat me as a highly nuanced player looking five layers deep into every post made, or to treat me as a happy go lucky jokester giving a day zero exactly the minimal weight that it probably deserves.

What I gleam from this is you're not someone to take lightly i kinda want to give you a town lean on this just bc i like the elaboration

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] how do you not remember any of my posts when ive cased your scumread and vote and had stances on tutuu as well? like, don't you check your thoughts against mine? (scumcase post on amy spoilered above)

[protocultures]

inb4 protocultures bussed his entire team and its protocultures/amy/alison/tutuu

also yeah sry forget the accusation of tunneling

i think i have issues with my perception of time

So let me jump on the meme train here, mainly because I want this specific copy pasta to become a thing.

Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than Proto has been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.

[protocultures]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

@protocultures how do you not remember any of my posts when ive cased your scumread and vote and had stances on tutuu as well? like, don't you check your thoughts against mine? (scumcase post on amy spoilered above)

I mean, its level 1 but you scumread Amy with me, and you townread me, so to me you are more likely town than mafia.

I dont have a great reason for it tbh.

[protocultures]

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

do you really not think tutuu could/would say this if she was town and frustrated at alison?

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

people can proxy vote to sort of "show where they stand"

doesn't mean as much as much as the poll but it serves as a good way to look back at who was suspecting who when

29/30

tr on proto, i think he believes the stuff he believes. (u can call this sort of a meta read). if ur unsatisfied with this explanation u can ask me for further stuff to say

i have 2 choices for alison. 1) tr her for her enthusiasm to try to catch me scum or 2) scumread her if i put the bar a little higher and expect her to not make overly wrong reads on me. and i think her second post saying "town tutuu does X and scum tutuu does Y" was silly considering the game was like 30-40 posts in none of my friends had even posted by that point AND also the fact that she has never seen me play mafia so idk how could she say with confidence what would maf tutuu do. Despite her being wrong on both of these stuff gth i still wanna call her town. perhaps part of ot could be rock-paper-scissors fallacy (i just invented this fallacy). basically rock paper scissors is down to luck, but also not. so in this context i think that if alison rolled mafia against me this game and she saw that i was town, i think her approach wouldnt be to start by making an illogical push on me (this is the rock paper scissors). so she can b lean town

i also slightly wanna tr nanook primarily cuz he called me town and i liked it.

i read ur stuff about tim, amy, and respectfully i will disagree, ive never played with him b4 but i still think i saw a town posting town stuff, so

Reads:
tutuu
proto

tim
alison

nanook

rest

ok you're just town lol

I like to $#%#post with my morning coffee before work.

Understandable. Have a nice day.


Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

yeah i get the same impression from proto's posts. He's very self aware and I don't think he would have *that* much of an issue posting like that as scum, but it fits well within his town meta. I don't see anything that screams scum particularly

Actually, I want to talk about proto's entrance because I'm surprised no one else is talking about that (unless I missed it). I'm talking specially about the self-conscious meta talk as the first thing they wrote.
Because on the surface it gives me super wolfy vibes, even if it was probably written by a villager *that just plays like that*. Anyone else put off by that or have a take on this?

I haven't started playing serious yet, but if I did it would be something I'd bring up too. Self-aware and some reads seem forced.

Scirrus' entrance also poor. Generic roleplay that attempts to disguise an uncomfortable thread entrance.

But I'm not playing serious yet, so I'll just have to wait to mention these thoughts until I am.

Yes I was very uncomfortable so instead of going to sleep I thought posting some awkward RP would smooth over the town

Curious to see what playing serious is. Maybe you will tunnel me instead of just throwing weak shade? I guess we will stay tuned!

Guys I just realised our host needs to start his semifinal game in like four days.

Let's go for the sweep so he won't be distracted.

I played in a game that was hosted by a champs participant during their qualifying match. They did fine and directly advanced. I have every confidence that TSP can handle this.

Besides, for wolves even a sweep takes many days and you my dear root vegetable are far from a lock town at this point.

I like the insertion of that subtle assumption into the conversation though, even if I had to reject it. Points for effort.

28

This post seems kinda serious compared to what it's responding to. Hmm.



Mafia philosophical question: is intuition or rationality more important to you when forming reads? Or is that a bad dichotomy.

God, I hope we get to the next phase and I can post tonight.

It may be far less serious than it appears.

Or it may be highly nuanced. Perhaps...

It expresses support for and confidence in the host, possibly attempting to pocket him for reasons unknown.
It fires a warning shot across the bow for Master Radishes implying that his posts will be assessed with more than just a casual level of scrutiny.
It serves to warn other players that subtle assumptions made about innocuous posts can be used to influence their subsequent reads, and that a highly evolved wolf such as Master Radishes would be if he randed wolf may use such tactics.
It also serves as fair warning that if I had randed wolf I also am a wolf of that nature so should be handled carefully.
It produces the wifom that if I HAD randed wolf I would not want townies to start thinking on such subtle levels so I would have just let it pass, so it effectively town tells me.

Or it could have just been the setup line for a joke about common root vegetables and Master Radishes. I leave it to you to determine for yourself whether to treat me as a highly nuanced player looking five layers deep into every post made, or to treat me as a happy go lucky jokester giving a day zero exactly the minimal weight that it probably deserves.

What I gleam from this is you're not someone to take lightly i kinda want to give you a town lean on this just bc i like the elaboration

re "SHUT UP ALISON" I mean its possible. In terms of meta, I can think of a recent instance where tutuu swore in the general direction of town Alison. However that had very specific cirucmstances, and they were trying to not TMI re Alison's alignment.

if anyone wanted my hypothetical d0 vote, it would have been Amy or Tutuu. Likely Tutuu because she is too beloved in the community and would never get enough votes. Amy is probably beloved as well, but I never played with them either, so no idea if they couldnt be voted over.

[tutuu]

dude

i think its obv when ur being rude to someone and when ur being endearing to them

like ???????

[Alison]

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

[tutuu]

actually its not always for all ppl. some ppl are different. nvm, sorry

but yea, fwiw, i was never rude to alison despite my words having the literal meaning of rudeness

[Timsup2nothin]

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

Why Scirrus?

[Scirrus]

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

agreed on mostly everything. I could see the interaction being theatre maybe but i don't really have high confidence in W/W reads this early. Haven't seen any reason to townread MR so far tho tbh

nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?

I'd say his is the most purely rp-based and feels detached from the game in a way that I think fits as a scum trying to appear casual upon entry

Nah. If i'm trying to appear casual there are like sooooo many better ways I could have done that lol

I was going to bed and had read none of thread so I just decided to RP for a lil fun before I slept

And I'd do it again too!

I have decided to go back to just posting things that are funny since apparently no one cared about what I thought.

GTH I wanna say this is towny?

[Alison]

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

Why Scirrus?

4/80

His entire catchup has felt bland and lacking in engagement to me. I'm not sure how to put this, but it's like he's giving the easy responses, without actually trying to really sort or push people.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

[mention]nutella[/mention] still waiting for an explanation what this even means

[Amy]

[mention]Alison[/mention] to clarify, X/80 is not a typo, correct?

[tutuu]

alison probably saw that tony post where he spoke about post limits and i also got confused cuz nobody had the number at 60 so initially i thought it all got changed by a role

but tony just accounted for ur d0 posts alison so u can calculate ur posts like that. u still get 60 per day, u had 20 on d0

[Amy]

...oh.

it seems i was mistaken re: the utility of d0

lolme

6/68

[iaafr]

ironic that im about to waste a post on this but

the list the host posted was for total "posts in topic" limit, everybody who's been counting /60 has been correct. my "posts in topic" limit is 101, this post is 72/101 aka 31/60

also im gonna live in nutella w world for now so rip the 80% thing.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine