Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[ColinIsCool]

Nanook town. Rabbit reminds me exactly of his play in Inception or whatever so I’m going to look up that game and see what he was there.

[Alison]

nanook, timsup and WerewolfHunter are town. nook is doing exactly what he always does as town and his reads are good/in line from what I expect from town nook. timsup just has a bunch of good takes. I don't know how to verbalize my WerewolfHunter read. Call it a tone or gut read, but I'm confident in it.

ColonialBob is aggressively null, which means he's scum. It's like the issue I had with Scirrus' catch up, but stronger. It's like he's trying to say only unobjectionable things and he hedges a lot too.

I hate post caps, for the record. They cramp my style.

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool you are mafia

[ColinIsCool]

ColinisCool

Spoiler: show

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Only notable post. Pretty much a null.

(tbh it's kinda nice to have a break between the high posters :P)

You’re welcome! Nice to see ya bud.

[ColinIsCool]

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

Alison is lock town!

[iaafr]

colin lock town

45/60

[ColinIsCool]

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

extremely premature is my middle name

It happens to the best of us.

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

[Alison]

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

Alison is lock town!j

???

Also I feel not as engaged in this game as I'd like. The posting format is really throwing off my preferred way of formatting my interactions. I think it's throwing off other people, too - WH, tutuu and Benson are all people who feel like they're struggling a bit with connecting with others. There's a lot of "isolated" posts in this game that don't fit into the thread flow and I suspect this is because people have to conserve posts for big cases/catchups and can't realtime as much which sucks. The people who feel most comfortable here (eg. iaafr) are the people who've been acting like the post cap doesn't exist.

[iaafr]

postcap is just a state of mind

(i actually have been feeling cramped i'd be twice as spammy and obnoxious without the postcap so)

46/60

i mean its just d1 i dont rly feel bad about doing this and potentially being trapped until 1h to eod because i dont feel like i have or want particularly much sway yet

maybe i should make a restriction to myself that my remaining 14 posts need to at least interact with others and prompt others on their worldviews though because just spinning my own wheels probably isnt a great use of posts

lets see how that works out maybe

[WerewolfHunter]

I will prob save most of my posts for tomorrow before eod but I wanted to check in.

I also lean evil on Scirrus and think Allison town

[protocultures]

I have added a solid read on the signature banner to my existing avatar read, and Long Con is LOCK TOWN.

Fight me.

No idea how you can lock LC as any alignment without TMI.

If we fight, lets us fight through the medium of words in rhymeform.

ROUND 1 - FIGHT

"Perhaps you have excellent meta for your read on LC, at present your read appears fruit from the poisonous tree
Respectfully I implore you to please justify, illuminate me with logic before paranoia may intensify
Thank you so much for your time and attention, you hopefully understand my mistrustful apprehension"

[WerewolfHunter]

Okay so 23/60 I believe

[Alison]

I have added a solid read on the signature banner to my existing avatar read, and Long Con is LOCK TOWN.

Fight me.

No idea how you can lock LC as any alignment without TMI.

If we fight, lets us fight through the medium of words in rhymeform.

ROUND 1 - FIGHT

"Perhaps you have excellent meta for your read on LC, at present your read appears fruit from the poisonous tree
Respectfully I implore you to please justify, illuminate me with logic before paranoia may intensify
Thank you so much for your time and attention, you hopefully understand my mistrustful apprehension"

lock town

[protocultures]

It really doesn't take much to get townread.

I lean LC town for throwing shade on the TR on themself. Not a strong townlean, but if I had to pick.

[Timsup2nothin]

I have added a solid read on the signature banner to my existing avatar read, and Long Con is LOCK TOWN.

Fight me.

No idea how you can lock LC as any alignment without TMI.

If we fight, lets us fight through the medium of words in rhymeform.

ROUND 1 - FIGHT

"Perhaps you have excellent meta for your read on LC, at present your read appears fruit from the poisonous tree
Respectfully I implore you to please justify, illuminate me with logic before paranoia may intensify
Thank you so much for your time and attention, you hopefully understand my mistrustful apprehension"

You took that so serious that I expect you're dilirious.

[colonialbob]

iaafr:
Starts off with a lot of nothing (not a criticism, it was D0). So we start with the first game-related post.

Spoiler: show

alison / tutuu is a civ on civ conflict

i can tell by the pixels

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

I know I am.

0 / 2 you got a third?

Why is tutuu town?

esoteric reasoning that i care not to spell out at this point in time

apologies

you may continue to tunnel tutuu and i will no longer intefere though, if that's what you'd like

"Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

my word choice is a bit imprecise sometimes and i use connotations that dont quite work

but i got a vibe of "tunnel" from my perceived strength of the scumread there. didn't mean to imply it was persisting a long time. how's bad word choice ai though?

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

my rhythms too even, the "nerdlean" post was a bit scummy in itself (kinda forced joke feel adjacent to actual read but not actual read), responding to too many people and therefore exuding nervous energy

The early "tunneling" thing that pinged Alison. I agreed with her thoughts on this, and I'm not really sure what to make of the whole "i'm scumreading myself" theme but I don't think I care for it. I don't see how it helps town, unless you're using it to push on people (which I never really saw iaafr do).

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

Don't agree with the Amy case, but feels townie. Staking out a strong position, admitting the case is weak but saying the read is strong - positive vibes.

Spoiler: show

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

just gonna note randomly that this pinged me as potentially scum with radishes (because i dont think radishes has been nearly as towny as me and tutuu and this kind of early declaration of 3 townreads comes from scum a decent amount) but this is like

an extremely weak read

posting it anyway because why not

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

my townread on tutuu is essentially for depth and transparency of thoughts that felt genuine and idiosyncratic

my townlean on alison is because i also thought tutuu gave mild scum vibes early and alison's readiness to jump on her susses and get into the game immediately is towny in my book

currently rolling through head: desire to omgus alison, wondering if amy/alison is actually a world with the blatant chainsawing

finding all of scirrus's catchup on the towny side (not even like wolfytowny, just straight towny in my book, genuine, etc)

also @Scirrus : my scum meta is i don't sandbag as scum, i try to be as towny as possible to get as good a position as possible, then i start begging my teammates to bus me and then they dont oblige and then i fizzle out d3 when i cant actually fake solving with d3 amounts of information and i just pray theres enough town/town violence for me to hide till endgame

feel free to believe or disbelieve

Spoiler: show

Good luck, have fun all – just checking into the game to say I am present and ready. Uh, in case anyone gets suspicious that I am not saying “look at me I am town”, here you go – its totally NAI for me as a player. I am hard to read if you haven’t played with me before, I am still sometimes hard to read if you have – suggest you sheep their reads on me for first few days if I confuse you. Does anyone know how I can keep track of daily postcount? Even on day 0, I have mafia reads on people.

im innocent town thats all i know

Found the mafia.

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

MOOD

but consider

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?

SHUT UP ALISON

im about to watch this movie u recommended btw. kung fu hustle. u said its very funny

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Found another mafia

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

re: protocultures

honestly this is just a really towny post and i immediately wanted to locktown proto for it alone, with extremely limited meta (skimmed space invaders)

the scumreads feel good, not overjustified, just real. this dude has 3 real scumreads off the bat. scum who can post like this are omega rare.

consider this post my towncase on protocultures.

Reads, various. Nothing much of note here; I find the dayclear thing odd but I'm pretty sure that's just a meta/playstyle difference rather than anything important. Mostly collected here so I can find them quickly on a look back if necessary.

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i think it's fair to not have nutella as town

ive wavered a bit but i decided her progression on me was more towny than not

probably the weakest in my top tier but theres something about the way shes forming thoughts that feels like i should just town her and not question it too much

but yeah not begrudging not having that read, idk.

(also possibly spewed v by amy hell yea preflip tunneling)

5/60

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

in the world where youre town, i could buy nutella being on you being the scummiest person expressing sus of you. benson/protocultures both seem more genuinely convinced.

i noted that i was wavery on nutella earlier. that's because one of the things you took issue with in the first round of posting (her calling me in my wolfrange) was an issue with me as well. i don't think nutella actually knows my wolfrange. i just liked that she "thought about it more" and moved me to locktown apropos of nothing. i thought that was valid progression. still could've been pockety though, and calling me still in my wolfrange was still sort of pingy.

townreads of this sort are the most precarious because i could just be being pocketed, so yeah.

jumped back on because i decided your defense post still wasnt enough for me to stop tunneling you for now. though unlike what tutuu said, i'm not really trying to pressure per se, it's just an actual scumread that may or may not change. if you think you work better sans pressure, i am perfectly willing to unvote and ignore you for up to 6h to EOD, then re-verdict you then.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

i can expand a bit

amy enjoys villaging. this is my meta of amy. i consider her the type of player to naturally have lots of thoughts while reading a game, and even general exhaustion is unlikely to suppress those sorts of thoughts when she rolls villager. in that light, i think the volume + depth of thoughts she's shown so far has been lacking. i could easily be wrong, but i don't really have other strong leads rn. i still townread tim as of this moment; i don't agree with scirrus' objection to changing his mind on d0. amy's vote is essentially a nothing fearvote (or if it isn't, she's choosing not to spell out what it is so far), and while tutuu townreads that, i don't.

also the "cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else" will easily naturally be proven wrong over the course of this day regardless

won't defend the push or myself beyond this though.

getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

Well this is bloody inconvenient.

I just finished ISOing Nutella and figured I'd read the two new posts I haven't seen, and all of a sudden I'm supposed to be Nutella's wolf partner according to you and Scirrus is intelligently asking YOU how you arrived at Nutella as top town read.

So this is really gonna confuse things, but having just gone through her ISO how TF DID you ever have her as a top town read?

There's really nothing of substance there EXCEPT for her going along on Amy, and her progression there is grossly inconsistent.

I'll skip the whole "but wait Tim is scary so a likely partner to every wolf read on planet Earth." Let's just focus on how all of a sudden you are getting there on Nutella, because on that I am maybe right with you...but I wanna know how you got here.

scumcase goes something like she's a bit too reactive and appeasy, not high presence enough, is the limpest susser of Amy, and Alison and tutuu, my townreads, seem onto her

and I'm not sold on you being a partner or anything so I can take your name out of my worlds for now, you're not a d1 candidate to me like she is (like I said earlier, first place I look if I start to believe amy is town)

moved back onto

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine even before you made that post Tim, just didn't wanna waste a post announcing it

I still kinda wanna believe in my scirrus townread being good but I'm not confident enough to want to defend

seems like amy and radishes are essentially unaligned with scirrus, I doubt their mutual pushes would be bussing or distancing

not like super confident there's wolves in there but they're the least boring viable votes

might be ok yeeting something like colin after all depending but meh gonna sit on Amy for now

tbh the towniest part of Amy's posts to me was wondering if this tunnel was revenge lol, but... yea just not sold on Amy town

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

extremely premature is my middle name

also im back to v on nutella so w/e

my "solving" "method" is generally flipflopping until it feels right so yeah youre gonna keep getting posts like that

also finally on comp, so i am aware of what my postcount is

this is 43/60

definitely gonna run out prematurely but ill take adv of the final hour plenty its fiiiiiiine

reiterating that im not hard opposing scirrus at this point in time (havent done my reread yet) but deep down think its a miss

i am also ok with towning LC; maybe not lock, but i liked the most recent post

also ok with benson's towning of colonialbob

Amy/nutella stuff. I see genuine thought here, I see flip-flopping that feels more about thoughts than about trying to follow the prevailing wind of the thread.

Ngl started kinda sus but found a lot of town here. Feel good about iaafr.

[colonialbob]

Can't get anything out of Dys or KZA's posts, and LC... looks LC-ish. No reads in those three.

[protocultures]

ColonialBob looks solvy, but I have no meta on them. Is this within their maf range?

This style seems a lot of work so want to lean it town unless someone says they replicate this style in every game so its actually NAI.

[Alison]

I'm unconvinced ColonialBob has actually solved anyone.

[iaafr]

his read on me is currently correct

and if we're in the easier world where sc scum amy town (easier because its more consensus rn)

then his sus of benson might have something to it too

cuz if rabbit/amy are civ/civ, i am potentially the pocketed civ who has wolves following me when im wrong

idk he's still null to me overall though without associations

[nutella]

his read on me is currently correct

and if we're in the easier world where sc scum amy town (easier because its more consensus rn)

then his sus of benson might have something to it too

cuz if rabbit/amy are civ/civ, i am potentially the pocketed civ who has wolves following me when im wrong

idk he's still null to me overall though without associations

interesing, how do you feel about Benson's 544 re: scirrus? could that be w/w?

[Long Con]

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

Alison is lock town!

Bogus! Just because she agrees with you that rabbit's self-admitted premature team read is premature? This post is a big phony.

colin lock town

45/60

What is this, a vortex of mutual fond caresses? Are you guys trying to leech "lock town" of any true meaning at all?

It really doesn't take much to get townread.

I lean LC town for throwing shade on the TR on themself. Not a strong townlean, but if I had to pick.

Oh yeah? Really? Even though I posted this a short time ago:

Questioning the town reads is a ploy I like to use as scum, so this post gave me a little ping.

Don't you mean to say, "Long Con is doing something he himself pointed out was a scumtell"? Or do you just want to ease into an opinion that some villagers (?) have shared, so the TMI vibe doesn't set off any alarms?

Can't get anything out of Dys or KZA's posts, and LC... looks LC-ish. No reads in those three.

I feel LC-ish. I think I might be able to smoke this game like a big ol' cigar.

[iaafr]

no i still think benson is probably town overall, the amount of melding and nodding along is something i should just default to trusting imo, esp d1.

though i would say if scirrus flips w, without meta i wouldnt rule out benson being the type of player to see scirrus going down and collecting cred. ([mention]Master Radishes[/mention] ? [mention]KZA[/mention] ?)

reread bob's posts in more detail and i still don't really feel comfortable putting him above null, but would absolutely veto d1 bob wagon

i think he's scumreading benson for being too waffly and entertaining multiple worlds at once but that's just a playstyle thing; it's like the sort of sus that i could easily believe is civ/civ, but doesn't have to be. i guess it is kind of weird he finds benson suspicious but not me, but there's different contexts around our play i guess.

i think his take on amy as null is fair. if i'm being diligent, i probably don't town him or even count out bob/amy w/w for it though.

probably the type of player you evaluate based on his solving with more flips, like. i think this archetype of player is objectively more nai on d1 on avg than, say, me or tutuu. no reason to verdict d1 imo.

[Benson]

nanook, timsup and WerewolfHunter are town. nook is doing exactly what he always does as town and his reads are good/in line from what I expect from town nook. timsup just has a bunch of good takes. I don't know how to verbalize my WerewolfHunter read. Call it a tone or gut read, but I'm confident in it.

ColonialBob is aggressively null, which means he's scum. It's like the issue I had with Scirrus' catch up, but stronger. It's like he's trying to say only unobjectionable things and he hedges a lot too.

I hate post caps, for the record. They cramp my style.

I'm apprehensive towards giving Tim a pass. From what I gather the man has an amazing scumgame and nothing so far seems out of a range like that. That said, I have no real reason suspect him (other than being a tad more passive than I expected).

I can already tell Bob is gonna be PoE'd for as long as he's alive tbh. His analysis isn't particularly compelling with what he's looking for (in my opinion), but I have no meta there and that probably is the type of thing meta would answer.

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

This seems extremely premature.

Alison is lock town!j

???

Also I feel not as engaged in this game as I'd like. The posting format is really throwing off my preferred way of formatting my interactions. I think it's throwing off other people, too - WH, tutuu and Benson are all people who feel like they're struggling a bit with connecting with others. There's a lot of "isolated" posts in this game that don't fit into the thread flow and I suspect this is because people have to conserve posts for big cases/catchups and can't realtime as much which sucks. The people who feel most comfortable here (eg. iaafr) are the people who've been acting like the post cap doesn't exist.

Accurate. I do feel off and it's usually because I post off the cuff and try to interact wherever I see fit. And because I probably get my best reads by talking or by reading how people are talking in real time.

cuz if rabbit/amy are civ/civ, i am potentially the pocketed civ who has wolves following me when im wrong

As fucked as it is to refer to yourself in an association like that, I think this thought comes through as town.

I keep worrying about the game where I've been pocketed and a wolf or two are in charge. Alison kind of fits this position even if she's given my good vibes all game. I guess I'd throw you in that group of trustworthy but untrustworthy allies at this time.

no i still think benson is probably town overall, the amount of melding and nodding along is something i should just default to trusting imo, esp d1.

though i would say if scirrus flips w, without meta i wouldnt rule out benson being the type of player to see scirrus going down and collecting cred. (@Master Radishes ? @KZA ?)

reread bob's posts in more detail and i still don't really feel comfortable putting him above null, but would absolutely veto d1 bob wagon

i think he's scumreading benson for being too waffly and entertaining multiple worlds at once but that's just a playstyle thing; it's like the sort of sus that i could easily believe is civ/civ, but doesn't have to be. i guess it is kind of weird he finds benson suspicious but not me, but there's different contexts around our play i guess.

i think his take on amy as null is fair. if i'm being diligent, i probably don't town him or even count out bob/amy w/w for it though.

probably the type of player you evaluate based on his solving with more flips, like. i think this archetype of player is objectively more nai on d1 on avg than, say, me or tutuu. no reason to verdict d1 imo.

Good analysis imo. I know that question is absolutely not for me but I was reflecting earlier today about what I would do as a wolf if I was paired with Scirrus. I'm a pretty anti-bus person but that would be hard to defend without getting into a compromising position. So I do think if Scirrus is wolfing then his teammates are struggling to find their place right now. However, in the case where him and Amy are w/w we have a different story and they may be in a position to bus.

[Benson]

I guess I have more posts left than I thought.

I think nutella and Scirrus are probably non w/w because nute brought up Scirrus' Lion King ISO and had the same conclusion that I did. In that position I can sort of see bussing being viable, but I don't know that she directly brings up the difference between Scirrus this game and in that other game to draw attention to that ISO. That would be adding unnecessary fuel to the fire.

[Benson]

Amy's lack of presence is still concerning. I can't shake it. It seems like she's struggling to find her place in the game.

But I'm now thinking that this may also have to do with us almost never being in the thread at the same time. Or at least partly.

I am interested to see where her scum read on nutella has gone now that people are off that wagon.

[Timsup2nothin]

Well I guess it's about time to do that comprehensive list thing that I promised I would do. All you villagers were supposed to have proven your villagerness by now and those of you who haven't are killable and I will have no remorse.

So this is the preliminary town core. Unless these people just outright sprout a big bushy tail and start howling in my face I will not be chopping them until sometime past day three at the earliest, and I'm assuming with three days to work they will have produced at least one or two pelts to strengthen my faith in them. Otherwise in three days maybe I kill them.

Tutuu
Iaafr
Alison
Long Con

Townfolk. These are people I am not interested in killing, or if I am it's only because I'm kind of always wanting to kill everyone. At least one town core person has probably also said I shouldn't kill them, so there's that. If they start howling I might kill them today anyway, but probably there will be no killing here.

Proto
Benluga Whale
Nutella
Amy

Might kill. These are people I have no particular reason to kill, but might just because there's no great reason not to. It would behoove these people to start providing such reasons.

Dyslexicon
Nanook
WerewolfHunter
Radishes

People who can be sacrificed so we can read their entrails.

Kza
Colin
Colonial Bob
Scirrus

There is no order in the groups because people are disorderly. There is maybe one wolf somewhere in the top two groups, which is something that will have to be dealt with, but logically there are four wolves so that makes at least three in the bottom two groups, probably two in the lowest group, and if you are in the lowest group, not a wolf, and can clear yourself that makes shooting in the rest of your little clan of haven't done wells a very attractive prospect. So get hot. Because In under 24 hours SOMEBODY DIES. And for all the "oh we should be careful, these people are dangerous, there could be a deep wolf here" we all KNOW that day one a wagon is gonna form on someone that's just a comfort food EZPZ chop and no matter how hard we all try to restrain ourselves we will end up there.

That is all.

[Benson]

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


[mention]KZA[/mention], talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

[Amy]

kinda wanna kill kza tbh

i understand he has a reputation of not playing the game even as town but in the champs game i observed it wasn't... this bad

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

16/60

[Benson]

Amy went for the jugular. You hate to see it.

[Benson]

Why the Kaz wagon over the Scirrus wagon, Amy. IIRC you had Scirrus as a wolf lean (or something) earlier.

[Alison]

Tim, why is LC towncore?

[Amy]

Why the Kaz wagon over the Scirrus wagon, Amy. IIRC you had Scirrus as a wolf lean (or something) earlier.

haven't had the chance to backread at all yet today. need to firm up how i feel about scirrus, my wolflean was mostly gut vibes

kza on the other hand is not someone who a backread is going to change my feelings on lol

17/60

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, why is LC towncore?

Because he reads a whole lot more than he talks. If you look at his posts he makes references to things that show he not only has read the thread but he's either got top notch memory or he is keeping notes. If he were wolfing he wouldn't be just casual dropping occasional posts he'd be posting more in line with the amount that he is reading. I recognize the type and I believe if he has a couple days he'll provide value...and that he isn't a wolf. His style is just way off from yours or mine.

[Timsup2nothin]

Lemme get this straight...the POLL is the official vote? All these votes in the thread are just blowing smoke up the town's collective butt?

Is there a standard around this place that posting votes without updating the poll is wolfy as hell, or is that just my opinion?

[Alison]

Tim, why is LC towncore?

Because he reads a whole lot more than he talks. If you look at his posts he makes references to things that show he not only has read the thread but he's either got top notch memory or he is keeping notes. If he were wolfing he wouldn't be just casual dropping occasional posts he'd be posting more in line with the amount that he is reading. I recognize the type and I believe if he has a couple days he'll provide value...and that he isn't a wolf. His style is just way off from yours or mine.

What are you reading this based off - meta on him, or something?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hally has subbed in for Scirrus, effective immediately. Hey hey! Hee ho! Discussing replacements has got to go!

[Hally]

sup!

[Hally]

i’m glad this is a light game so i don’t have that much to read

brb catching

[Alison]

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

[Benson]

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

This kind of gives me intimidation vibes tbh.

I do get what you're saying. I'm a risk averse person as well. BUT there are clearly a lot of good or great players in this game that can be useful villagers, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to give a free pass. If Amy is the wolfiest player by the end of D1 then she should get lynched, or at least get considered. That's how I try to operate.
You are right that the tendency is always to go towards the safer lynch, but that isn't always the best play to allow that to happen.

I will say that if I am going to seriously push to get her lynched at EoD I would surely bring forward a more compelling case than I currently have.

Maybe we use the terms differently, but I don't think Amy is ever a deepwolf when she's already under this much suspicion. To me, potential "deep wolves" could be you, Alison, or rabbit. Players like that.


You or anyone else can call me Benluga or whatever you want. It's terrible but in a funny way.

[Benson]

Lemme get this straight...the POLL is the official vote? All these votes in the thread are just blowing smoke up the town's collective butt?

Is there a standard around this place that posting votes without updating the poll is wolfy as hell, or is that just my opinion?

I think you're supposed to always do both so whoever did that or does that probably just forgot.

------

Greetings Hally! Another semi-finalist, eh?

[Hally]

pausing in my catchup because lmao

[Hally]

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, why is LC towncore?

Because he reads a whole lot more than he talks. If you look at his posts he makes references to things that show he not only has read the thread but he's either got top notch memory or he is keeping notes. If he were wolfing he wouldn't be just casual dropping occasional posts he'd be posting more in line with the amount that he is reading. I recognize the type and I believe if he has a couple days he'll provide value...and that he isn't a wolf. His style is just way off from yours or mine.

What are you reading this based off - meta on him, or something?

Not meta since I don't know him from Adam. It's typecasting exactly like I said. Wolves that are as aggressively keeping up with the thread as he is find something to post about...regularly. If he wasn't keeping up maybe he is a pop in wolf, but he is keeping up. That aggressive reading of the thread means he will notice things. That willingness to just low post along means he not only isn't feeling wolf pressure he isn't being pressured by the other wolves.

He's town, and he'll be useful town, trust me on that one...for three days.

My town core is only good for three days because I am making myself the voice of town so the wolves won't let me live any longer than that if they let me live that long. So my town core has about three days to produce pelts or the town probably will and most likely should turn on them...you.

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

This kind of gives me intimidation vibes tbh.

I do get what you're saying. I'm a risk averse person as well. BUT there are clearly a lot of good or great players in this game that can be useful villagers, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to give a free pass. If Amy is the wolfiest player by the end of D1 then she should get lynched, or at least get considered. That's how I try to operate.
You are right that the tendency is always to go towards the safer lynch, but that isn't always the best play to allow that to happen.

I will say that if I am going to seriously push to get her lynched at EoD I would surely bring forward a more compelling case than I currently have.

Maybe we use the terms differently, but I don't think Amy is ever a deepwolf when she's already under this much suspicion. To me, potential "deep wolves" could be you, Alison, or rabbit. Players like that.


You or anyone else can call me Benluga or whatever you want. It's terrible but in a funny way.

If you bring that more compelling case I will back you 100%. I don't think such a case can be made without flips and looking at votes, but if you can make it good good good on you.

In the meantime I'd appreciate any help you can give in sorting among the admittedly more likely chops that a risk averse village will almost certainly wind up choosing from. Thanx in advance.

[Hally]

I wasn’t actually planning to pay attention to this game until like D3 but are you guys nutso IAAFR is like hard clear

He’s also probably town


Tutu is also pretty town based off the three posts of hers I read


I’m doing it dad I’m doing a mafia

nanook my dude are you wolfing

[Hally]

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no