Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

I can imagine developing a tinfoil that nanook did this to go deep if he is still alive a few days down the line but like.... idk how you can prioritize him over, like, radish at this point

[Timsup2nothin]

Unless something convinces me otherwise I will be voting Nanook at dawn, just so everyone knows where I stand.

What is it about the way nanook approached the KZA exe specifically that makes you think it was a bus? Like even if your theory that KZA is letting the town exe him holds true, why can't nanook be town who jumped on an open wolf rather than a busser?

Because he played the whole day like he had a get out of jail free card in his back pocket.

He did have a get out of jail free card in his back pocket, yeah? He said he has a provable claim.

This being some sort of lighter variation role madness maybe he does...and maybe that was the get out of jail free card he was leaning on...but how do you know it wasn't just knowing he had a busload of town cred coming?

[iaafr]

man tim what are you even talking about

nobody was seriously pursuing a kza yeet at that point, everyone was just kinda "yeah, whatever, if other ppl vote there i'd be fine with it" but nothing ever took off until nanook pushed it

seconding this perception tbh

[Alison]

I can imagine developing a tinfoil that nanook did this to go deep if he is still alive a few days down the line but like.... idk how you can prioritize him over, like, radish at this point

Agree.

Benson, how confident are you on your read of Hally being scum (if such a read even exists)?

[Alison]

This being some sort of lighter variation role madness maybe he does...and maybe that was the get out of jail free card he was leaning on...but how do you know it wasn't just knowing he had a busload of town cred coming?

IMO if he has a provable role he has a provable role. If in, like, two days he still hasn't proved his role then you can whack him then. Do you think mafia usually claims provable power role D1? I don't, and I think it's obvious if they fakeclaim like that.

[iaafr]

hardclaiming unclaimable and unprovable role

[Timsup2nothin]

man tim what are you even talking about

nobody was seriously pursuing a kza yeet at that point, everyone was just kinda "yeah, whatever, if other ppl vote there i'd be fine with it" but nothing ever took off until nanook pushed it

Just about everyone else in the game had a "hands off" listing from SOMEONE. Kza was the wagon waiting to happen. If I'd have had posts I'd have pointed it out as just an obvious fact of life without even bothering to guess whether or not he was a wolf.

[Hally]

*reserved for flavor*



Alexander the Great has died!

*reserved for more flavor*

KZA has been forced out of town following a renewal of anti-Macedonian sentiment in Athens!
He was Aristotle, member of the School of Athens (MAFIA).

*reserved for a rant about the Neo-Aristotelians*

*reserved for a rant about Rhetoric*

*reserved for a rant about really bad physics*

Night 1 begins now! You have roughly 23 hours to submit actions and 30 posts to use if you want to.

\o/

[Timsup2nothin]

This being some sort of lighter variation role madness maybe he does...and maybe that was the get out of jail free card he was leaning on...but how do you know it wasn't just knowing he had a busload of town cred coming?

IMO if he has a provable role he has a provable role. If in, like, two days he still hasn't proved his role then you can whack him then. Do you think mafia usually claims provable power role D1? I don't, and I think it's obvious if they fakeclaim like that.

Cool. I can wait. Might still vote him at dawn though just for spite.

[Timsup2nothin]

hardclaiming unclaimable and unprovable role

Counterclaiming.

[Hally]

We have five more minutes if anyone wants to switch their vote to Hally. Discrediting the people who scumread them instead of trying to engage with them and work with them so they can find her isn't what Hally does as town. This is scum Hally.

you haven’t actually tried to engage with me at all or re-evaluate at all so idk what you’re expecting from me back

I have and the only thing you're giving me in return is scummy behavior, sorry. I'm not changing my read on you, not because I'm confbiased, but because I think you're scum. You've done the exact same thing to other people who've scumread you, like accusing Benson of calling all of your posts fake and then telling them their play is poor. Stop making this about how Alison is confbiased. You subbed into a scummy slot and have exhibited scummy behavior. I am going to execute you.

okay, do you what you want but please don’t shift the blame to me when i flip town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

alright well then

who da bussers

The one claiming that getting a scum read on an obvious volunteer buss bait makes him GOAT is my first choice.

I’ve found two mafia and it’s still not enough for you, very sad

KZA had little to no traction until I put my fat vote down, he definitely wasn’t “obvious bus bait” or whatever kek


This had better be a cover thing lulz

Kaz was always a very real possibility today. People got on the wagon because he popped in with a coy response and then did literally nothing else.

I mean uh

He wasn’t gonna die until I started pushing him so

We can talk it out tomorrow tho

Are you REALLY this unaware of the state of the thread when you play?

Depends on the game

[iaafr]

I think I'm just voting radishes tomorrow and afking tbh

[Alison]

okay, do you what you want but please don’t shift the blame to me when i flip town

I don't know why you're so hung up on the "blame" thing since I don't believe in blame in mafia anyway (it soothes your ego, but it doesn't help you win games). I'll tell you what, if you flip town, I'll write a nice poem about how Hally is super shining obvtown and my reads are bad, and put it in my signature for hte next three games.

[Benson]

I can imagine developing a tinfoil that nanook did this to go deep if he is still alive a few days down the line but like.... idk how you can prioritize him over, like, radish at this point

Agree.

Benson, how confident are you on your read of Hally being scum (if such a read even exists)?

Not very, in all honesty.

I'm currently trying to parse how this flip changes my reads, but it really doesn't seem to have much of an impact. At least not right now. Bussing was so inevitable, so I have look at things through the lens of: "the wolves knew Kaz was probably getting elimed and were likely planning in some way for it".

Hally is still a potential partner. So is Radish. I guess Amy can be as well, although I do feel a little better about her now based on recent posts.
I see the Nanook accusations as plausible, but that's not something at the forefront of my mind. Like I really want to figure out MR vs Hally tonight because I think I'll be in that tunnel until I die or until it's solved.

GTH it's Radish but I have to support that.

I should probably re-read the thread tonight.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What world are you people living in where KZA was inevitable BEFORE I came in and said they were mafia

Like fuck I may not be keeping up the best this game but I don’t think my read of the thread is that bad lmao

[Hally]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

[Benson]

I should clarify that I'm not actually SRing Nanook right now. He's still null-to-light-town in my mind because the Kaz stuff doesn't change my read very much. I think that's too tin-foily to pursue as a main focus today/tonight.

It is interesting that MR was already posturing to do that, however.

[Alison]

Why'd you stay on the Hally wagon for so long if you didn't really believe in the read? And why'd you go around calling Hally's posts fake?

[Alison]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

[Hally]

okay, do you what you want but please don’t shift the blame to me when i flip town

I don't know why you're so hung up on the "blame" thing since I don't believe in blame in mafia anyway (it soothes your ego, but it doesn't help you win games). I'll tell you what, if you flip town, I'll write a nice poem about how Hally is super shining obvtown and my reads are bad, and put it in my signature for hte next three games.

you don’t have to do that. i’m not interested in that. all i’m interested in is you re-evaluating your read on me

[Timsup2nothin]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Do you genuinely think Radishes is such a bad wolf that he reaction fails when a partner that is basically first string LHF and has mostly outed all day gets wagoned.

[nutella]

Why'd you stay on the Hally wagon for so long if you didn't really believe in the read? And why'd you go around calling Hally's posts fake?

tbf I think he did say something earlier about staying on the wagon to potentially entice wolves onto it (as in if enough people were on a counterwagon that it was viable to save kza)

[Hally]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

[nutella]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Do you genuinely think Radishes is such a bad wolf that he reaction fails when a partner that is basically first string LHF and has mostly outed all day gets wagoned.

I mean, wolf!radish was clearly setting up a connection between kza and nanook bc he knew kza would flip red and wanted to make a false associative

[Hally]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Do you genuinely think Radishes is such a bad wolf that he reaction fails when a partner that is basically first string LHF and has mostly outed all day gets wagoned.

what i genuinely think is that there are a ton of people who of flip before i ever touch nanook this game and radishes is at the very top of that list

[Benson]

What world are you people living in where KZA was inevitable BEFORE I came in and said they were mafia

Like fuck I may not be keeping up the best this game but I don’t think my read of the thread is that bad lmao

It depends. If your post was the only thing to get him into the thread, then yes, you are solely responsible; because myself and others may have stayed apprehensive to eliminating someone who isn't posting at all. But would Kaz have still posted if you didn't ping him or whatever? I sure hope so. And I imagine the reaction to him re-entering the thread like that was always an auto elim.

[iaafr]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Do you genuinely think Radishes is such a bad wolf that he reaction fails when a partner that is basically first string LHF and has mostly outed all day gets wagoned.

amrock had a chart for this kind of read...

[Alison]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

That's what you're referring to?

Okay.

What makes it different from timsup's reaction in your eyes?

[Amy]

kza only had 2 votes before nanook voted: benson and me

it's possible that this was a planned bus... but in no way was kza anywhere near outed or a consensus dunk before nanook broke the vote open

given that i'm inclined to agree that radishes's reaction was bad and tim's perspective here is off (not necessarily in a wolfy way, just. not correct.)

and i'm not voting nanook tomorrow without good reason to do so beyond "what if he bussed kza"

2/30

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What kind of revisionist history bullshit is “mostly outed all day” lmao

[nutella]

What world are you people living in where KZA was inevitable BEFORE I came in and said they were mafia

Like fuck I may not be keeping up the best this game but I don’t think my read of the thread is that bad lmao

It depends. If your post was the only thing to get him into the thread, then yes, you are solely responsible; because myself and others may have stayed apprehensive to eliminating someone who isn't posting at all. But would Kaz have still posted if you didn't ping him or whatever? I sure hope so. And I imagine the reaction to him re-entering the thread like that was always an auto elim.

I can't speak for others but my decision to sheep nanook was prior to and completely independent of kza appearing in the thread afterward

[Alison]

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

[Hally]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

That's what you're referring to?

Okay.

What makes it different from timsup's reaction in your eyes?

i’ve also covered this already

tim already had a scum read on nanook so his view of nanook bussing could follow from that read more logically

radishes, on the other hand, had a tr on nanook so for him, jumping to the conclusion that nanook was bussing kza before kza flipped doesn’t logically flow at all

ftr i dont think tim looks great rn either, but radishes looks way worse

[iaafr]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Do you genuinely think Radishes is such a bad wolf that he reaction fails when a partner that is basically first string LHF and has mostly outed all day gets wagoned.

this post makes me think if radishes is a wolf Tim isn't lol

and is kinda towny on its own, the attitude of it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The only thing giving me pause with radishes is like

That reaction was SO bad it almost feels like a trap

But even if he’s something shitty like a vengeful or whatever it’s still early enough to bite the bullet imo, so

He’s probably just scum

[Hally]

radishes also doubles down on his push of me and switched back to voting me after i called bs on his reaction to nanook/kza

i don’t wanna say the push and vote are necessarily wolfy because he’s been pushing my slot all game but i did feel like i saw a noticeable change in how he was treating me once he realized it would be between me and kza

[Timsup2nothin]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

That's what you're referring to?

Okay.

What makes it different from timsup's reaction in your eyes?

i’ve also covered this already

tim already had a scum read on nanook so his view of nanook bussing could follow from that read more logically

radishes, on the other hand, had a tr on nanook so for him, jumping to the conclusion that nanook was bussing kza before kza flipped doesn’t logically flow at all

ftr i dont think tim looks great rn either, but radishes looks way worse

This is okay, because I think that you buying in on Nanook's absurdist interpretation of events isn't looking really good on you either, but in the long run this will all work itself out.

[iaafr]

basically Amy Hally Nanook rabbit and nutella are now all in a similar headspace and I don't think it's exactly a wolfy headspace

[Benson]

Why'd you stay on the Hally wagon for so long if you didn't really believe in the read? And why'd you go around calling Hally's posts fake?

I still think the slot is scummy. But like, I wouldn't feel confident in calling them definitively a wolf.
Some things just seemed potentially fake to me. I'm probably in too deep on that tunnel and seeing things as fake is easy when you're in that mode.

I was on the Hally wagon to make it potentially more viable for the wolves. I think if you look at my posts you could see I was content with the Kaz lynch. And that was just almost always going to happen anyways but I always think it's could to have some bait for the wolves just in case. Or even to see how people respond to the artificial closeness of the wagons.

[Alison]

basically Amy Hally Nanook rabbit and nutella are now all in a similar headspace and I don't think it's exactly a wolfy headspace

agree

I feel very tired and will go to bed. Good night.

[Amy]

it's gonna be real nice when i'm monologuing to myself at 3 am because y'all are out of posts for the night

3/30

[Hally]

lmao what is this thread rn

we’re not yeeting nanook. nanook was not bussing

radishes had an incredibly scummy reaction to the kza push. he’s dying tomorrow

Which reaction are you referring to?

i’ve made like... twenty posts about it. please, are you actually reading my posts

radishes reacted to nanook pushing kza by immediately rescinding his tr on nanook and saying nanook was bussing kza. it made no sense

That's what you're referring to?

Okay.

What makes it different from timsup's reaction in your eyes?

i’ve also covered this already

tim already had a scum read on nanook so his view of nanook bussing could follow from that read more logically

radishes, on the other hand, had a tr on nanook so for him, jumping to the conclusion that nanook was bussing kza before kza flipped doesn’t logically flow at all

ftr i dont think tim looks great rn either, but radishes looks way worse

This is okay, because I think that you buying in on Nanook's absurdist interpretation of events isn't looking really good on you either, but in the long run this will all work itself out.

i don’t even know if i think you’re a wolf. i think it’s not an amazing look to be pushing nanook as a wolf rn but it’s possible you genuinely have this perspective. but it’s not one that i share so i won’t be voting nanook tomorrow. ok probably always voting radishes

[ColinIsCool]

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

Is it? Sounds like desperate-clutching-at-straws to me.

[Hally]

if people still wolf read my slot despite me being the counterwagon to a scum yeet then yeah, i think i can justifiably say you’re confbiasing atp

i think radishes will be a wolf, and then i hope i can finally be out if this whole

[Timsup2nothin]

I had no suspicion on KZA at all before the beetlejuice. I tend to believe that slanking is NAI.

Suspicion isn't really the issue. Slanking might be NAI, but it makes a REALLY comfortable chop. You had your commitment to the Hally push to discharge and I applaud you for sticking to it...but I think a lot of people following you were likely to get uncomfortable as Hally kept defending. And they were going to look for an exit and find Kza. with or without "not just a read, but a Nanook lock." Everybody that was uncomfortable where they were, or had someone saying "but what if you are wrong?" at them was gonna wind up there. It boggles my mind that so many people apparently were not aware of that.

[iaafr]

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

Is it? Sounds like desperate-clutching-at-straws to me.

any thoughts from the kza flip?

12/30

[ColinIsCool]

@ColinIsCool your vote has been parked on my slot all day and you haven’t posted once since i’ve been in the game

where are you?

I think I was doing dishes when you asked this. Definitely not in the thread though. Why do you want to know?

[ColinIsCool]

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

Is it? Sounds like desperate-clutching-at-straws to me.

any thoughts from the kza flip?

12/30

Haven’t gotten that far yet.

[Hally]

@ColinIsCool your vote has been parked on my slot all day and you haven’t posted once since i’ve been in the game

where are you?

I think I was doing dishes when you asked this. Definitely not in the thread though. Why do you want to know?

because i has never seen you post since i subbed in and EoD was fast approaching with your vote still on me