Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[ColinIsCool]

LC also had never mentioned KZA before the vote, AND appears to have zero interactions or mentions of Radish. That's a big yikes. I'm entering a tunnel boyz

I can see it.

[Timsup2nothin]

Agreed. And yet look at the people who are pushing "that's kinda wolfy" as if it is a locked case read. I for one think that the biggest "wolfy" thing they are pointing at isn't even particularly wolfy. However it has already locked in so deep that the best way to read those people is probably seeing how they react to a green Radishes flip, if it were to happen. Because their reaction to pretty much any other event at this point is very likely to be "well, yeah, but Radishes is a wolf so so what?"

[WerewolfHunter]

Lol. Yes, that was he other part of it. I didn't feel like saying it though.
I thought I was being original here. Fuck.


Have to be honest and say I'm shook that WWH said she's regarding MR as a lock wolf basically (unless I misinterpreted that). Idk, it just doesn't fit with what I thought of her persona and I don't even know if she mentioned MR in a negative light prior to that.

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The yeet was what led me to re-evaluate my reads and a lot of them changed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

[Hally]

i think the case on radishes is good and that saying it amounts to “that’s kinda wolfy” is an understatement

his reaction to the kza push was extremely wolfy. it was so partner-y looking that it actually made me more sure that kza would flip scum. it was that bad

radishes has not been towny outside of that. all he’s done is push my slot, a slot i know to be town

benson has said radishes is off this game and benson knows him well

there is legitimate suspicion there that amounts to more than “thats kinda wolfy”

i agree that we shouldn’t stop doing all solving while we wait for radishes to flip or be closed of to re-evaluation

but the consensus is trending heavily towards radishes for good reason

[Benson]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

But it's what Socrates would do.

I am silly and suboptimal. I hope one day I can be as good as you.

[Timsup2nothin]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

[Benson]

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

[Timsup2nothin]

i think the case on radishes is good and that saying it amounts to “that’s kinda wolfy” is an understatement

his reaction to the kza push was extremely wolfy. it was so partner-y looking that it actually made me more sure that kza would flip scum. it was that bad

radishes has not been towny outside of that. all he’s done is push my slot, a slot i know to be town

benson has said radishes is off this game and benson knows him well

there is legitimate suspicion there that amounts to more than “thats kinda wolfy”

i agree that we shouldn’t stop doing all solving while we wait for radishes to flip or be closed of to re-evaluation

but the consensus is trending heavily towards radishes for good reason

Well, given that I wasn't thinkin' Radishes was any kind of solid town ever I can't really argue...but I think the idea that his response to Kza was pertnery is a vast overstatement. That's okay though, because as you say he has pushed hard on you and you know you're a villager so your reaction is informed...for you.

The flip side of this is that while your reaction is informed it isn't really unreasonable that people have pushed on your slot. There's a reason you walked in as the top wagon and most likely D1 chop, and it isn't just randomness. You've towned it up and you are an extremely valuable town if town...but pushing that slot isn't particularly a wolf tell from out here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

[Timsup2nothin]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

So you are advocating for complacency here? Are you that sure of your (second and conflicting with the first) "lock" read on Radishes?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

So you are advocating for complacency here? Are you that sure of your (second and conflicting with the first) "lock" read on Radishes?

Let’s put it this way, if there was a hammer this game id be advocating we use it quickly.

[Timsup2nothin]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

So you are advocating for complacency here? Are you that sure of your (second and conflicting with the first) "lock" read on Radishes?

Let’s put it this way, if there was a hammer this game id be advocating we use it quickly.

Wouldn't it be better to build a case that I'm "partnery" first?

BTW, unless night also has a "last hour free" on the postcap I'm basically out. Will have an "open in the unlikely event of my death" post right before SoD but that's the one I have left.

[Long Con]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

So you are advocating for complacency here? Are you that sure of your (second and conflicting with the first) "lock" read on Radishes?

Let’s put it this way, if there was a hammer this game id be advocating we use it quickly.

[iaafr]

ezworld:

radishes/bob/x

"hally and nutella are roleplaying amrock from anni" world:

nutella/hally/nanook

the real world:

iaafr/tutuu/tim

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I cannot overstate how silly/suboptimal it is to play that way

Which way is that?

The Radishes is a lock wolf way?

Or the Radishes isn't just a read he's a Nanook Certified Lock town way?

I'm pretty sure at least one of those is sub optimal but can't decide which.

Maybe it's both?

I thought he was referencing how I described my way of approaching things.

More tim than you, but yeh

So you are advocating for complacency here? Are you that sure of your (second and conflicting with the first) "lock" read on Radishes?

Let’s put it this way, if there was a hammer this game id be advocating we use it quickly.

Wouldn't it be better to build a case that I'm "partnery" first?

BTW, unless night also has a "last hour free" on the postcap I'm basically out. Will have an "open in the unlikely event of my death" post right before SoD but that's the one I have left.

I don’t really have a read on you, I just disagree with you on theory

Optimal play is hammer radishes tomorrow and say nothing, but I know that isn’t the fun way to do it kek

And yeh it’s not impossible I’m wrong and he flips town, but it’s like 90ish % imo so

[iaafr]

is hammer even enabled in this game

[iaafr]

as for the philosophy of whether or not we should autoyeet radishes:

idc lol im lowegoing the rest of this game im not gonna form an opinion i will follow the tides

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean technically no there isn’t a hammer

But it’s shorter than saying “vote park and shut up”

[iaafr]

if i end up reaching the bottom of consensus poe

i will thunderdome whoever is next in the poe by spamming "im town" and lying about self meta and posting obnoxious rants about why this is a mistake

fair warning

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

if i end up reaching the bottom of consensus poe

i will thunderdome whoever is next in the poe by spamming "im town" and lying about self meta and posting obnoxious rants about why this is a mistake

fair warning

I respect this tbh

[Hally]

i’m not sure if the “post cap is lifted one hour before” applies to the night phase?

i think it’s just for EoD but i could be wrong

[iaafr]

Soooooo.....

45 minutes to EoD 0, give or take.

Hope everyone answered their questions.

Night 0, or straight into day one? Anyone got any experience in this sort of thing?

Straight to day 1. I will be starting day 1 at precisely 9 pm. Post limits are technically removed at this time as it is within one hour from the end of the phase.

i inferred from this post that 1 hour from end of each phase will be lifted postcap


also u went 1 post over cap d1 dont talk to me about postcap

[iaafr]

yeah yeah winning as town is nice and all but have you experienced achieving the

LIGHT. GAME. POSTING. RECORD.

[Benson]

I hate what mafia does to me.

[iaafr]

I hate what mafia does to me.

this is indeed a mood

[Benson]

More mood:

I don't understand why I'm still here after all the times I told myself not to play mafia anymore

[Benson]

Also saddens me that MR's WIM is clearly broken. And if he's a wolf then the rest of them are probably discouraged too.

I can have empathy for the wolves too. They matter.

[iaafr]

ezworld:

radishes/bob/x

"hally and nutella are roleplaying amrock from anni" world:

nutella/hally/nanook

the real world:

iaafr/tutuu/tim

starting to think nanook might be just the pocketed villager in the second world if its the second world

(which i still think is kind of a tinfoil world but still)

so ill revise it to just nutella/hally/x

[Amy]

the prospect of voteparking radishes and fucking off to play paper mario is extremely enticing

but i'll probably iso him first or something

[Benson]

Colonial Bob
Colin
Dizzy

Super obviously, but I need these sorted. I have basically nothing other than vague suspicions towards Bob and Colin. Bob because of he ISO'd like 5 players and that was that. He only pushed Nanook really so far. He's clearly struggling to get into the game but in a villagery kind of way tbh.

There were tonal concerns with Colin's early game but lately he seems fine. It's like he doesn't care about digging himself out of the PoE and that reflects decently. At the same time, if he's wolfing with players that aren't being heavily sussed then his carefree attitude and general agreement with all new cases starts to look concerning.

I have no clue about Dizzy. Hoping for more there.


Fresh takes on these names are encouraged.

[iaafr]

if colin is scum he is giving nominal effort but overall expecting to lose or get carried

i have light townlean on him for like... a few posts that felt good / genuinely uninvested but he could be genuinely uninvested scum expecting to lose or get carried

i will evaluate bob after he does stuff

dizzy is just big question mark and im not gonna strain to force a read (gth town tho)

[Hally]

dizzy being inactive to this extent is totally nai ftr

he’s just really busy with life. think he’s on holiday or something

but he’s by no means frozen or lurky as wolf

i soulread him v off the posts that he has but i’m not like... married to that

just wait for him to get in the game though. he will in time

[Amy]

i have a v lean on dizzy that's mostly gut

think his pop-ins were constructed in the way that a lowposter villa pops in, not a lowposter wolf

don't ask me to explain this further bc i don't think i can

[Hally]

no i agree

his posts were posts that he would pop in and make as town

[Amy]

the fact that hally and i agree on a lot of reads should probably move them higher on my list

might just be spooked bc i know they're a good wolf lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thread locked. Mods no posting.

[TonyStarkPrime]

*reserved for flavor*

Master Radishes has died! He was ????????????? !

Day 2 begins now. You have 48 hours.

[nutella]

hardclaiming radish shot, sorry it's cleaned but like. p sure he was wolf


seems like a successful doc save or block on maf kill, nice

[Hally]

wut

[iaafr]

i too am hardclaiming the radish shot

[Benson]

Janitors suck.

Fuck

[Hally]

hardclaiming radish shot, sorry it's cleaned but like. p sure he was wolf


seems like a successful doc save or block on maf kill, nice

did you know it would be cleaned? kinda wish we had that flip

[WerewolfHunter]

That is beyond annoying lol. Well I'm operating under assumption they were evil

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[nutella]

hardclaiming radish shot, sorry it's cleaned but like. p sure he was wolf


seems like a successful doc save or block on maf kill, nice

did you know it would be cleaned? kinda wish we had that flip

knew it would be cleaned if it hit, didn't know if it would hit

hitting means higher chance he was wolf tho

[iaafr]

looks like we're gonna have to resolve nutella because she's hardclaiming my role

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[tutuu]

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COLONIALBOB

[nutella]

im prepared to be dragged for this play tbh but im ready to assume he was red and move on lol

[Hally]

hardclaiming radish shot, sorry it's cleaned but like. p sure he was wolf


seems like a successful doc save or block on maf kill, nice

did you know it would be cleaned? kinda wish we had that flip

knew it would be cleaned if it hit, didn't know if it would hit

hitting means higher chance he was wolf tho

why? what does hitting have to do with his alignment?

[iaafr]

i, too, have a red peek on colonialbob