Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison/[VOTE: ] aubergine] aubergine

[WerewolfHunter]

Yes, I never really left lol.

Returning for WWH lol

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You know what I feel like claiming despite mine being unverifiable.

I can take away someone's vote each day.

I used it on Radish not expecting him to get shot but really happy about the outcome. I plan on using it on non town cleared individuals going forward

I think this is just almost always a wolf role. Like come on.

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First I claimed willing. Second I said early mine was almost unverifiable. Third, wouldn't evils claim their cover roles? I know you could say this is my cover role.

Lastly the way I'm trying to use it to take away evils votes so I'm going with someone not lock clear.

I'm even up for us to consensus decide if we choose to go that route

True. But claiming willinginly isn't a big deal because everyone and their mom was claiming. Plus your role is basically useless to the town. It only makes sense to give that to the wolves (imo); but I will admit I have seen it given to the town in the past so it is possible.

I want to think the bit about the cover role is a derp clear (meaning it spews you town). Because surely those cover claims only refer to the actual characters and not the roles. Right??

OK. Seriously out this time. I don't even know how many posts I still have.

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I didn't want to go to meta but I assumed that cover roles involved both a character and a role description as has been common on my other sites. It's interesting to know that may not be the case

[Hally]

now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison/[VOTE: ] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:
this is actually a really good point

ive legit never heard of a compulsory doctor action. i also don’t think she would be told who it was randed to if it was? but idk

but like, the only action i’ve ever seen be compulsory is maf factional kill

claiming a doctor as compulsive.... idk i don’t think that’s legit tbh] aubergine] aubergine

[WerewolfHunter]

What became of Protocultures? Can we just kill him?

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He does seem to be less present rhen before. I think my preference is dizzy then him

[tutuu]

LMFAO hally

[Hally]

wtf happened to that post lmao

[tutuu]

i messed up the brackets

nobody quote hally's post pls cuz it will become a chain reaction

[tutuu]

now i just know u guys are dying to quote it arent u

can u resist the temptation?

[Benson]

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

Boom bye scum

[ColinIsCool]

Perhaps I am just really bad at reading Alison.

[ColinIsCool]

What became of Protocultures? Can we just kill him?

Yeah he’s sus too

[tutuu]

Perhaps I am just really bad at reading Alison.

dont worry noone knows how to read her

[WerewolfHunter]

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I need to think what order is the best way to go for these yeets

[Timsup2nothin]

i messed up the brackets

nobody quote hally's post pls cuz it will become a chain reaction

I did say I was gonna build a nuclear weapon, so I am tempted by the chain reaction.

That said tho...I don't claim to know Alison, but she seems pretty try hard. I am definitely try hard, and can say with absolute certainty:

If I EVER try to claim that I forgot to put in a night action, I will be lying and you should shoot me immediately.

Like, ever.

Ever.

So, fine.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison/[VOTE: ] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:
It is compulsive, I think. I'll check with Tony.

Also I'm going to be blunt and say I don't think pushing MR the way Benson did D1 clears him. That is silly logic. There are ways to push people that clear you from being W/W, like Hally did. Benson's push does not fall into that category.] aubergine] aubergine

[Alison]

wow tutuu's bad vote tags screwed up my own formatting when I quoted her, nice

[Long Con]

now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

A Host making a night action like that compulsory is not the norm around here. Highly unusual. [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

Also I don't know about tryhard but I definitely am putting much less effort into this game than I usually do. Also I have an action that is potentially confirmable so I suggest you park your votes elsewhere for this day phase.

[WerewolfHunter]

[VOTE: ] aubergine30

Actually based off of the post saying the thing about mafia or not makes me think [VOTE: Alison ] aubergine and let Colin prove himself.

I would like to hear from Proto

[tutuu]

i messed up the brackets

nobody quote hally's post pls cuz it will become a chain reaction

I did say I was gonna build a nuclear weapon, so I am tempted by the chain reaction.

That said tho...I don't claim to know Alison, but she seems pretty try hard. I am definitely try hard, and can say with absolute certainty:

If I EVER try to claim that I forgot to put in a night action, I will be lying and you should shoot me immediately.

Like, ever.

Ever.

So, fine.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

alison enjoys playing as mafia more than playing as town, and she enjoys putting in effort as mafia (well she puts effort as both alignments, but especially mafia, imo, maybe)

[Alison]

Perhaps I am just really bad at reading Alison.

dont worry noone knows how to read her

I can tell.

Again, regardless of whether you scumread me, it is game-theoretically incorrect to execute me when my night action is potentially confirmable. If you believe that tracker is not something the host would give to scum in a setup which this amount of power invested in PRs, then you should execute someone other than me and give me a chance to confirm my night action.

[Hally]

now that i think about it not sure how i feel about alison claiming that she forgot to input her night action, which resulted the host to rand it for her, and send the action himself

(this sounds dangerous to talk about but like, it was already brought up so i cant ignore it lol)

like, nutella claims to be town KP

IF there is town KP and town doctor in the same setup

why would the host rand the town doctor missing action for her? why would it be compulsive? why would u rand it when its not necessarily pro-town and it might suck? like, what if it get randed on the POE shot that everyone agreed on to shoot with the town vig? then the host kinda fucked u over?

what if she purposely wanted to holster her doc, which would be an acceptable night action? and assuming town has KP (which most likely it does), why would her action get randed compulsororarly (idk the word)?

like, if i was the host, and i see someone inputting no doc action, i wouldnt rand it for them, why would i?

????

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

It is compulsive, I think. I'll check with Tony.

Also I'm going to be blunt and say I don't think pushing MR the way Benson did D1 clears him. That is silly logic. There are ways to push people that clear you from being W/W, like Hally did. Benson's push does not fall into that category.

what do you mean, you think it’s compulsive and will check with tony?

you just said you didn’t submit and you were told it got randed to tim. that means it’s compulsory

what is there to check?

you’re lying

[iaafr]

[VOTE: alisons posts on this page are giving me doubt and i think her claim is a bit suicidal as mafia but really town having 2 tracks, one hybrid with a doctor, just feels off. either way i guess im ok with giving her a day???? maybe i vote protocultures] aubergine

[VOTE: protocultures] aubergine

[tutuu]

ily iaafr

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alison's action could've been randed but that doesn't say much for her alignment imo. If she's town she's telling the truth if she's mafia a partner probably just sent it in for her and she's saying it got randed. Idk that it's particularly AI tbh

[Alison]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

[iaafr]

ily iaafr

[VOTE: ily tuu tutuu] aubergine

[tutuu]

Alison's action could've been randed but that doesn't say much for her alignment imo. If she's town she's telling the truth if she's mafia a partner probably just sent it in for her and she's saying it got randed. Idk that it's particularly AI tbh

why would you, as the host, rand a doctor action in a game with town KP

i can understand randing the tracker action. pretty much no reason not to

but doctor is different

[Alison]

Alison's action could've been randed but that doesn't say much for her alignment imo. If she's town she's telling the truth if she's mafia a partner probably just sent it in for her and she's saying it got randed. Idk that it's particularly AI tbh

why would you, as the host, rand a doctor action in a game with town KP

i can understand randing the tracker action. pretty much no reason not to

but doctor is different

Because it's compulsive.

[Alison]

Anyway, this read on me is based on an extremely silly interpretation of how Tony is likely to deal with forgetfulness in sending in a night action. I still haven't heard a single reason why I would make this up as scum rather than just claiming a protect on tutuu or something objectionable. And I still haven't heard a single argument as to why Benson is town just because he pushed MR D1. Scum push each other D1 all the time. What is it about the specific way Benson pushed MR that makes him town?

[tutuu]

I'm a Doctor on odd nights and a Tracker on even nights. I was away and didn't realize I would miss the deadline for submitting my night action last night, so Tony randed my heal onto timsup.

you forgot to mention you're compulsive?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alison's action could've been randed but that doesn't say much for her alignment imo. If she's town she's telling the truth if she's mafia a partner probably just sent it in for her and she's saying it got randed. Idk that it's particularly AI tbh

why would you, as the host, rand a doctor action in a game with town KP

i can understand randing the tracker action. pretty much no reason not to

but doctor is different

Idk, maybe I'm the outlier, but I've randed actions before. It wouldn't, like, surprise me.

My point is regardless of her alignment I believe her when she says she didn't send an action in, and I don't think it's unreasonable for it to have been randed if she's town /shrug

[Hally]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

[Alison]

I'm a Doctor on odd nights and a Tracker on even nights. I was away and didn't realize I would miss the deadline for submitting my night action last night, so Tony randed my heal onto timsup.

you forgot to mention you're compulsive?

I didn't realize I was compulsive until this question came up, at which point I checked the precise wording of my PM to figure out if I was compulsive. It says that I have to use my night action, so I take this as being compulsive. Obviously at the start of the game I didn't expect to miss a night action and I had no reason to expect a significant amount of town KP (nor would I protect someone that was likely to be KPed anyway), so the compulsiveness of the action wasn't on my mind as I planned to use my role every night anyway.

[tutuu]

Anyway, this read on me is based on an extremely silly interpretation of how Tony is likely to deal with forgetfulness in sending in a night action. I still haven't heard a single reason why I would make this up as scum rather than just claiming a protect on tutuu or something objectionable. And I still haven't heard a single argument as to why Benson is town just because he pushed MR D1. Scum push each other D1 all the time. What is it about the specific way Benson pushed MR that makes him town?

its not silly its reasonable. there was given a reason why would u do this as scum, and ill give u one more - because its just too ridicilous and outlandish to come from scum, so why tf not? like a wild shot, see if u can pull off a comeback, if ur mafia. u are creative enough as scum to come up with something like taht

[Alison]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

[tutuu]

actually alison could have legit missed the deadline because in space invaders she wanted to stop the night kill on dizzy but it was too late

so regardless of her alignment i think alison is telling the truth taht she missed the deadline

i still think shes scum

[tutuu]

i mean on hally

[Timsup2nothin]

Is this a site standard thing?

Is this a Tony thing?

Does anyone have a role PM they can check?

Because the actual correct word here would be compulsory, not compulsive.

[iaafr]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

tracking doesnt alignment confirm you though, it just confirms that youre capable of tracking

thats part of the problem

though i kind of am townreading your attitude around these events? lol

[Alison]

Also I think you misunderstood my point - my point is that there are many games whereby a non-compulsive action would be randed, and you have to specifically inform the host that you are submitting No Action if you want to not use your action. Your interpretation of my alignment is based on a really specific (and wrong) idea about my perception of how randing works when someone doesn't submit a night action. Maybe that's how it works on Personality Cafe, but it certainly isn't how it works everywhere else, and you should not assume that I will believe that randing here works the same way it works on PerC or wherever you got this idea from.

[Hally]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

because you having a tracker ability doesn’t actually confirm your alignment at all

you can be claiming your real role and still be mafia

[nutella]

i messed up the brackets

nobody quote hally's post pls cuz it will become a chain reaction

I did say I was gonna build a nuclear weapon, so I am tempted by the chain reaction.

That said tho...I don't claim to know Alison, but she seems pretty try hard. I am definitely try hard, and can say with absolute certainty:

If I EVER try to claim that I forgot to put in a night action, I will be lying and you should shoot me immediately.

Like, ever.

Ever.

So, fine.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Yeah I really don't think Alison forgets and tutuu's point makes a lot of sense. Zero reason tsp would rand that lmao. Alison made a too elaborate fake claim.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

tracking doesnt alignment confirm you though, it just confirms that youre capable of tracking

thats part of the problem

though i kind of am townreading your attitude around these events? lol

You think Tony sat there and was like "alright, so the town gets a dayvig, a cop, a bulletproof, a nightvig. For the mafia... yeah, I think I'll give them a tracker. That should be balanced"?

[tutuu]

my night action isnt compulsory

[mention]Benson[/mention] is your compulsory?

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] is your compulsory?

[iaafr]

I checked my role PM to confirm. It is a "must" that I use my night action. So yes, it is compulsive.

linki: No, some hosts will rand an action even if it's not compulsive. I can think of at least one game I played in recent memory where someone was AWOL N1 and the host randed their action. This is why I wanted to doublecheck that my action was indeed compulsive.

nah

the definition of a compulsive night action is that if you don’t submit its randed because you have to target someone

if you didn’t submit and were told you targeted tim that means it’s compulsive

there’d be nothing to check

i don’t actually believe that a compulsive doc action is a thing that exists and that you would be told who you saved in that case

i also don’t think you’d ever forget to submit a night action as either alignment

i also don’t think your claim makes sense as a town role with the other claims on the table

your claim really seems fake, sorry

You are wrong. But more importantly you are playing in a manner that is suboptimal because I have a potentially confirmable night action that I can use tonight. If you believe I am scum then why not execute someone else in the POE and let me out myself when I fail to track someone tonight?

tracking doesnt alignment confirm you though, it just confirms that youre capable of tracking

thats part of the problem

though i kind of am townreading your attitude around these events? lol

You think Tony sat there and was like "alright, so the town gets a dayvig, a cop, a bulletproof, a nightvig. For the mafia... yeah, I think I'll give them a tracker. That should be balanced"?

we dont know what roles kza/radishes/bob had

and i mean i agree this town is OP af but that doesnt mean its not the world

[WerewolfHunter]

my night action isnt compulsory

@Benson is your compulsory?

@ColinIsCool is your compulsory?

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I know this wasn't addressed to me but I don't think mine is.

[tutuu]

if anyone has a compulsory NA pls claim it

linki: ty wwh very cool

[Hally]

why would tony tell alison who she targeted if he randed the action? i don’t think that’s a thing

like if it’s randed i don’t think the host tells you. you just don’t get to know because you didn’t submit

or at least that’s what id think?

[iaafr]

im over mech now lets play this mountainous or something