Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Amy]

Amy - alternating 30 post add/subtract
Benson - 2-shot doc
coliniscool - tracker
Hally - redirector
Long Con - bpv (broken)
NANOOK - dayvig
nutella - flipless vig (w/ % chance to hit?)
Timsup2nothin - inventor
Tutuu - location cop
WerewolfHunter - vote thief

yet to claim: dyslexicon, iaafr, protocultures

amy and tim's abilities are confirmed by iaafr

nanook's ability is confirmed by obvious happenings

WWH's ability is confirmed by the alison flip

tutuu's ability is almost certainly confirmed unless she bussed bob for some reason?

LC must be telling the truth unless hally is lying. hally can be lying without LC lying (hally could have aimed a mafia factional kill at v!LC and broken his vest)

any world in which hally is lying means nutella is almost certainly lying (or maybe 100% lying, i'm not sure, but it's a high enough % to treat it as a confirmed 100% anyways). nutella telling the truth means hally is almost certainly telling the truth. hally can be telling the truth with nutella still lying & nutella can be lying without hally lying as well (if radishes was town vig). in general these slots have been playing closely enough together that the simplest interpretation is either v/v or w/w, and i think the mechs favor v/v

so let's see here. list is something like

==borderline mech clear==
tutuu
nanook

==reevaluate only if hally wolf==
LC

==tinfoil world but mechs seem favorable==
hally
nutella

==villagery for posting reasons, claims aren't immediately offensive==
benson
iaafr

==claim is mildly villagery but not posting, or posting is mildly villagery but not claim==
tim
dizzy

==PoE==
proto - unclaimed, WIM low on a day where scum getting wrecked, posting was kinda villagery before but has dropped off hard
colin - claim is wolfy after alison's flip
WWH - claim is a wolfy ability

7/30

[Hally]

Fucking lmao rabbit
ILY

I'm still gonna go back to town redirector feeling really outrageous.

your tunnel of me is ridiculous and i’ve caught three mafia. i’m lock clear

gl though

[nutella]

@nutella do u have any more shots? im asking so i know if i should claim who im copping so we dont intersect. or i dont have to worry and i can cop whoever u want?

@Benson double targetting is allowed btw, u can protect me tonight again

I do not, once i hit i am spent

[Timsup2nothin]

The town being able to get two kills through while the wolves haven't killed yet sounds fucked to think about. Are we sure about this? Obviously Nanook is confirmed but let's tinfoil Nutella tomorrow.

y’all are actually crazy

they tried to kill. i jacked their kill and redirected it to a bulletproof player

stop just churning out baseless tinfoils just to tinfoil. it’s anti town. this is how we will lose this game

Killing another wolf is how we win this game.

Who is it?

[WerewolfHunter]

13

Is there a chance I could be cop checked instead of shot? I think maybe they shoot another Poe. It's up to them but I certainly think it's a possibility. We just need to make sure they are protected

[nutella]

mafia should still totally kill me tho i could be bluffing

[Amy]

i realize i put WWH at the bottom of my PoE but i probably favor going proto or colin first just out of respect for others' reads

8/30

[ColinIsCool]

how do we prove colin?

how do we do this? @Hally

have him track me

then he’ll say who i targeted

i will confirm @ColinIsCool

maf can mess with this by killing me but if they wanna kill the redirector over the cop, the day vig and the night vig be my guess lol

Ok

[WerewolfHunter]

@nutella do u have any more shots? im asking so i know if i should claim who im copping so we dont intersect. or i dont have to worry and i can cop whoever u want?

@Benson double targetting is allowed btw, u can protect me tonight again

I do not, once i hit i am spent

14

Assume thanks for clarifying

[tutuu]

my final ultimate tinfoil

alison is town and yet she lied about her actions being compulsive. me and her have had a few convos about mafia and stuff, and she is a supporter of the theory that town should lie all the time, and manipulate others if it thinks it will suit them better

i genuinely felt like she was lying about the compulsory stuff idk if im an idiot for tunneling a flipped town but my theory is that she lied as town in order to achieve some perceived gain

i just wanna keep this read and i'll see post-game if im a genius or a dumbass

[Hally]

The town being able to get two kills through while the wolves haven't killed yet sounds fucked to think about. Are we sure about this? Obviously Nanook is confirmed but let's tinfoil Nutella tomorrow.

y’all are actually crazy

they tried to kill. i jacked their kill and redirected it to a bulletproof player

stop just churning out baseless tinfoils just to tinfoil. it’s anti town. this is how we will lose this game

Killing another wolf is how we win this game.

Who is it?

i’m sure we will find out the answer to this soon

[nutella]

@nutella why does your role janitor if you're town? u wot m8?

just how it is sorry. it's more likely to hit if i target mafia so

[iaafr]

i mean ngl by like my general sense of game balance, tinfoiling nut+hally+lc with this roleset does not seem that insane

though hally and lc both had pretty towny posting d2 imho

insane that hally+lc being real confirms nut too

so apparently i just cant tinfoil it at all

linki edit: lmao tutuu no chance imo

[ColinIsCool]

Actually loling

[Long Con]

what kind of town vig janitors the target man

but then again what kind of mafia janitors the night kill and then claims it as a vig

already getting paranoid lol. fuck.

nut is town because she’s towny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

also she cannot be scum in a world where radishes is a wolf, and we know radishes was a wolf because of my and lc’s claims

the only world possible that contains w!nit is a world where me, nut and lc are all lying

we’re not in that world lol

also last game i was in here had a vig that janitored it’s targets. it was run by jack of hearts who is from the same homesite as tony. so it’s like a site specific thing

First time ever that I had seen that though. A little shocked to see it again so soon, if it's legit.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'd just like to point out that Hally can be lying and it doesn't take anyone else lying. All she really has to know is that maf targeted LC. He can tell the truth that his vest got broke. Nutella can tell the truth that she liquidated Radishes. Hally could just as easily be maf that carried the kill on LC herself as having redirected Radishes.

Not saying that's what happened, but I think it is as plausible an explanation as the original redirector explanation.

[nutella]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

what kind of town vig janitors the target man

but then again what kind of mafia janitors the night kill and then claims it as a vig

already getting paranoid lol. fuck.

Tbf there was literally just a game with a town vig that janitored their kills

And I think it was tony that had the role IIRC lmao

[Hally]

i mean ngl by like my general sense of game balance, tinfoiling nut+hally+lc with this roleset does not seem that insane

though hally and lc both had pretty towny posting d2 imho

insane that hally+lc being real confirms nut too

so apparently i just cant tinfoil it at all

linki edit: lmao tutuu no chance imo

you could also just like... read us off posts in the game lol

i repeatedly said bob was wolfy D1. he was a wolf

i voted kza. he was a wolf

i called out radishes for being a wolf with kza and he was and i know that because of my role

there is like... ample evidence to say that me/nut/lc is just real

[Amy]

Benson:

<amy note: snipped for character limit; see the original post if you want the deets>

So some light sus on nutella earlier, but really seems to jump back and forth. Looking for reasons to townread nutella? The Amy bit in the last post also doesn't really make sense - Benson just laid out a case for why Amy would be sus, but then now nutella is pushing for her miselim? Hmm.

Scumlean.

not w/w

iaafr:

<amy note: snipped, see above>

Ngl started kinda sus but found a lot of town here. Feel good about iaafr.

also not w/w

ColinisCool

Spoiler: show

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Only notable post. Pretty much a null.

(tbh it's kinda nice to have a break between the high posters :P)

can easily be w/w. not sure if it's LIKELY or not, would have to see if this was rly colin's only notable post at the time

9/30

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

is there a world where, like

nanook is mafia lost wolf

and he didnt know colonial bob was mafia

and he thought im reaction testing with a fake red peek on colonial bob

because in my last game with nanook thats exactly what i did, i faked a red check which i later retracted

so like if hes maf he could be like "BUT TUTUU TOLD ME TO"

i already feel like iaafr

I would just shoot you lmao

[iaafr]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

just out of pure curiosity and not for any solving reasons

who's your char

18/40

[Long Con]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] So you be daykillin', right? Is that a one-shot? Seems one-shotish.

What's up with your magical revelation that KZA was scum, then? Are we claiming all our abilities here? Your opinions have seemed heavily saturated with some external knowledge, am I misreading that? Can we get more of that? What was that?

[Amy]

i mean ngl by like my general sense of game balance, tinfoiling nut+hally+lc with this roleset does not seem that insane

though hally and lc both had pretty towny posting d2 imho

insane that hally+lc being real confirms nut too

so apparently i just cant tinfoil it at all

linki edit: lmao tutuu no chance imo

you could also just like... read us off posts in the game lol

i repeatedly said bob was wolfy D1. he was a wolf

i voted kza. he was a wolf

i called out radishes for being a wolf with kza and he was and i know that because of my role

there is like... ample evidence to say that me/nut/lc is just real

sorry if i missed something, but your role doesn't necessarily rule out the w!nutella/vig!radishes world, does it?

10/30

[Hally]

I'd just like to point out that Hally can be lying and it doesn't take anyone else lying. All she really has to know is that maf targeted LC. He can tell the truth that his vest got broke. Nutella can tell the truth that she liquidated Radishes. Hally could just as easily be maf that carried the kill on LC herself as having redirected Radishes.

Not saying that's what happened, but I think it is as plausible an explanation as the original redirector explanation.

no maf team would kill lc he wasn’t even town read by anyone but you

[Amy]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME So you be daykillin', right? Is that a one-shot? Seems one-shotish.

What's up with your magical revelation that KZA was scum, then? Are we claiming all our abilities here? Your opinions have seemed heavily saturated with some external knowledge, am I misreading that? Can we get more of that? What was that?

to be entirely fair, kza already had 2 votes (benson and myself) before nanook dropped the hammer

think the dude was just underwhelming in a wolfy way

11/30

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

[Timsup2nothin]

I'd just like to point out that Hally can be lying and it doesn't take anyone else lying. All she really has to know is that maf targeted LC. He can tell the truth that his vest got broke. Nutella can tell the truth that she liquidated Radishes. Hally could just as easily be maf that carried the kill on LC herself as having redirected Radishes.

Not saying that's what happened, but I think it is as plausible an explanation as the original redirector explanation.

no maf team would kill lc he wasn’t even town read by anyone but you

Good watcher/doc dodge then yeah?

[Hally]

i mean ngl by like my general sense of game balance, tinfoiling nut+hally+lc with this roleset does not seem that insane

though hally and lc both had pretty towny posting d2 imho

insane that hally+lc being real confirms nut too

so apparently i just cant tinfoil it at all

linki edit: lmao tutuu no chance imo

you could also just like... read us off posts in the game lol

i repeatedly said bob was wolfy D1. he was a wolf

i voted kza. he was a wolf

i called out radishes for being a wolf with kza and he was and i know that because of my role

there is like... ample evidence to say that me/nut/lc is just real

sorry if i missed something, but your role doesn't necessarily rule out the w!nutella/vig!radishes world, does it?

10/30

not necessarily? but that would mean nut nk’d radishes as a wolf which is never a thing that would happen ever

[Benson]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

Lol. I did not see these stipulations before. That does sound much more believable in this claim world.

Evidence that I shouldn't be doing anything until I've actually ironed out everything that happened tonight.

But can i ask you why you would do that when so much hinged on solving that slot? Not killing it, but solving it.

I hate this game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME So you be daykillin', right? Is that a one-shot? Seems one-shotish.

What's up with your magical revelation that KZA was scum, then? Are we claiming all our abilities here? Your opinions have seemed heavily saturated with some external knowledge, am I misreading that? Can we get more of that? What was that?

I looked at his ISO in Pyre

[nutella]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

just out of pure curiosity and not for any solving reasons

who's your char

18/40

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

[Hally]

I'd just like to point out that Hally can be lying and it doesn't take anyone else lying. All she really has to know is that maf targeted LC. He can tell the truth that his vest got broke. Nutella can tell the truth that she liquidated Radishes. Hally could just as easily be maf that carried the kill on LC herself as having redirected Radishes.

Not saying that's what happened, but I think it is as plausible an explanation as the original redirector explanation.

no maf team would kill lc he wasn’t even town read by anyone but you

Good watcher/doc dodge then yeah?

no

not even close

[iaafr]

starting to tinfoil tim as inventor arsonist who can explode all of his inventions

[Timsup2nothin]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

[ColinIsCool]

If Hally is Mafia and she’s concocting a scheme to get me, the most mislynchable player on The Syndicate, mislynched by messing with my Tracker stuff, then the civs honestly have this thing in the bag.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm going back to mini lol, RIP Alison

I think my tinfoil read is that there might be five scum lulz

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

Yeah shooting outed mafia is such a waste, totally

[nutella]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

Lol. I did not see these stipulations before. That does sound much more believable in this claim world.

Evidence that I shouldn't be doing anything until I've actually ironed out everything that happened tonight.

But can i ask you why you would do that when so much hinged on solving that slot? Not killing it, but solving it.

I hate this game.

i mean like i said i was already treating radish as a red flip and didn't realize hammer would be enabled so it kinda felt like we could just move on instead of wasting a day on him

[Timsup2nothin]

starting to tinfoil tim as inventor arsonist who can explode all of his inventions

Get on the box Rabbit...get on the box...trust me...

LOL...no, and unless something happens to the involved party by morning my next invention will be delivered as promised and resolve this issue.

[nutella]

starting to tinfoil tim as inventor arsonist who can explode all of his inventions

mmmmmmmmm

[iaafr]

oh shit my dude is actually a badass

Apart from his theological writings, Bonhoeffer was known for his staunch resistance to Nazi dictatorship, including vocal opposition to Hitler's euthanasia program and genocidal persecution of the Jews.[2] He was arrested in April 1943 by the Gestapo and imprisoned at Tegel prison for one and a half years. Later, he was transferred to Flossenbürg concentration camp.

After being accused of being associated with the 20 July plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler, he was quickly tried, along with other accused plotters, including former members of the Abwehr (the German Military Intelligence Office), and then hanged on 9 April 1945 as the Nazi regime was collapsing, 21 days before Adolf Hitler committed suicide.



checks out tbh this dude is a badass

[Timsup2nothin]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

Yeah shooting outed mafia is such a waste, totally

Yeah it pretty much is. Glad you agree.

[Hally]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

Yeah shooting outed mafia is such a waste, totally

lmao

ppl are just saying random tinfoils that are totally baseless and not supported by anything that actually happened in the game and it’s kinda irritating to have to deal with this incessant suspicion even after we’ve like destroyed the maf team and should be lock clear in any reasonable evaluation of the game

[Amy]

i mean ngl by like my general sense of game balance, tinfoiling nut+hally+lc with this roleset does not seem that insane

though hally and lc both had pretty towny posting d2 imho

insane that hally+lc being real confirms nut too

so apparently i just cant tinfoil it at all

linki edit: lmao tutuu no chance imo

you could also just like... read us off posts in the game lol

i repeatedly said bob was wolfy D1. he was a wolf

i voted kza. he was a wolf

i called out radishes for being a wolf with kza and he was and i know that because of my role

there is like... ample evidence to say that me/nut/lc is just real

sorry if i missed something, but your role doesn't necessarily rule out the w!nutella/vig!radishes world, does it?

10/30

not necessarily? but that would mean nut nk’d radishes as a wolf which is never a thing that would happen ever

mm

the tinfoil world would require nut to be banking on this exact thing

but it would ALSO require the scumteam to think that clearing nutella in that way was more important than wasting town's time on an ostensibly guaranteed radishes dunk, since radishes would have been town in this world

and it would require the acceptance that it would probably produce a secondhand clear through whatever protective role the village had used that night, since they'd have to account for the missing scumkill

all this when nutella wasn't super deep in the PoE and when kza was still the only dead mafioso

i... don't think it's likely. in fact i think it's less likely than i did when i started writing this post

but hopefully one of me or nut is dead before xylo so i don't have to think about it, heh

12/30

[Benson]

okay since everyone is confused about my claim

I shoot at someone. if they are town it has a 30% chance to hit. if they are mafia it has an 80% chance to hit. the janitor is the tradeoff for me having that probability. once I successfully hit I can no longer use it.

Lol. I did not see these stipulations before. That does sound much more believable in this claim world.

Evidence that I shouldn't be doing anything until I've actually ironed out everything that happened tonight.

But can i ask you why you would do that when so much hinged on solving that slot? Not killing it, but solving it.

I hate this game.

i mean like i said i was already treating radish as a red flip and didn't realize hammer would be enabled so it kinda felt like we could just move on instead of wasting a day on him

Clearly I wasn't ready to move on!!

I think I need to reflect on all this with a fresh mind.

[Amy]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

i think most people would agree that the most optimal way to deal with outed mafioso is to shoot them, because that way you're still getting wagon data from eod

now obviously that didn't pan out yesterday cause alison got run up and obliterated

but i think the theory's sound and combined with the slam dunk kza vote i'm pretty much never touching nanook ever

13/30

[iaafr]

i mean i think we all agree the boring version of the poe is like

proto/wwh/colin and its probably just proto or something

exciting tinfoil theories keep this game fun to me

21/40

[Amy]

[mention]nutella[/mention] is your role nightly use or x-shot or what?

14/30

[WerewolfHunter]

Or I could wait and shoot Bob right before EOD to make sure town dies to the TK lulz

Or if you are town you COULD say "cool, Bob is outed and gonna get chopped...no point wasting my vig shot there."

i think most people would agree that the most optimal way to deal with outed mafioso is to shoot them, because that way you're still getting wagon data from eod

now obviously that didn't pan out yesterday cause alison got run up and obliterated

but i think the theory's sound and combined with the slam dunk kza vote i'm pretty much never touching nanook ever

13/30

16

I do agree with shooting the outed evuls. I think it's bold to say that you're never voting nanook now I find it unlikely that I will