Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Amy]

like the easy world is 1-2 in [colin/tim/dizzy]

the hard world is 1-2 in [nutella/hally/iaafr]

this is the way

[nutella]

haha rabbit is just a wolf!

[Amy]

btw rabbit did you ever claim school like i asked

[Amy]

oh i'm a stool pigeon now

rip patsy i never liked that name anyways

[iaafr]

btw rabbit did you ever claim school like i asked

political philosphy

my soapbox actually broke lol

[iaafr]

neither nutella nor hally laughed at this meme, while colin, tutuu. and benson did

why?

because nutella and hally know theres lies in it

[iaafr]

i am over "laughing at my jokes" scumreads i am now doing "not laughing at my jokes" scumreads

[iaafr]

haha rabbit is just a wolf!

u ready to tdome?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The redirector is also a pseudo parity check while multiple mafia are alive











Ok maybe this isn’t the easy world kek

[Benson]

Rabbit I would post just to tell you I'm loling hard half the time but can't usually because of the post cap.

I must assume that's also why no one is chuckling at my jokes because it can't be that they arent funny.

Now lettuce tin foil

[Timsup2nothin]

btw rabbit did you ever claim school like i asked

political philosphy

my soapbox actually broke lol

Sorry Rabbit. At least you had this.

31/40 flexin on the plebs without soapboxes

[iaafr]

btw rabbit did you ever claim school like i asked

political philosphy

my soapbox actually broke lol

Sorry Rabbit. At least you had this.

31/40 flexin on the plebs without soapboxes

yes it was all worth it thank you for the thoughtful gift

[iaafr]

Rabbit I would post just to tell you I'm loling hard half the time but can't usually because of the post cap.

I must assume that's also why no one is chuckling at my jokes because it can't be that they arent funny.

Now lettuce tin foil

i laughed at your memeing on the last page and i appreciate your presence benson

and i decided on a reread that youre still like probably my highest townread next to tutuu



also saw me townreading alison for good reasons on d1

screw mech man

[Amy]

rabbit am i town yet

[iaafr]

idk i just think nutella and hally seemed the most on-edge about preserving the status quo in the d2/n2 phases

i am definitely confbiasing due to tunnel but

wwh seemed towny

protos catchup seemed towny (though i tunneled him at first until he dropped the bigger post)

colin has seemed towny (already noted my reasons for townleaning him multiple times)

tim has seemed towny

linki edit: sure amys town yea (things that strengthened this read in n2 included admitting not reading and idk, perspective stuff, having doubt on the POE at the same time i did, townreading protos catchup like i did, etc)



like sans mech, nut and hally might be in my poe regardless, and the claim stuff is just... idk its hard to believe fully.

[iaafr]

funnily enough the thing htat gives me most pause on scumreading nutella is her scumread of me

because i do think im not necessarily obvtown iaafr like usual this game

buuuuuuuuut i mean its not like she wouldnt be aware of that as scum and misyeeting me is in her Path to Victory probaby sooooo

[nutella]

"on edge about preserving the status quo"

yeah dude the status quo is we are fucking dunking the mafia team

[iaafr]

"on edge about preserving the status quo"

yeah dude the status quo is we are fucking dunking the mafia team

only if we fully believe you and hally

if we don't we're at 2 / (likely 4)

also what is this post in general tbh

do you feel like youre about to finish the dunk? because im pretty sure killing proto or me isnt gonna do it

[Benson]

I found something exciting when I was at the grocery

Spoiler: show

Beluga beers. Oh baby. I looked no further than the picture of the beluga and grabbed them. Doesn't matter if I don't usually go for that type of beer. Doesn't matter that they were a bit pricey for something I don't know that I like. Because belugas whales.

My posts aren't gonna be good tonight if I'm still alive.

Yeah this is my life

[nutella]

"on edge about preserving the status quo"

yeah dude the status quo is we are fucking dunking the mafia team

only if we fully believe you and hally

if we don't we're at 2 / (likely 4)

also what is this post in general tbh

do you feel like youre about to finish the dunk? because im pretty sure killing proto or me isnt gonna do it

i don't plan on killing proto

wwh is probably the logical next yeet but i'm not quite feeling that's right

and i don't think it's colin or dizzy either

so yeah we do prob make a couple mistakes here with the poe but we have some space

and you still have nothing going for you

[Benson]

idk i just think nutella and hally seemed the most on-edge about preserving the status quo in the d2/n2 phases

i am definitely confbiasing due to tunnel but

wwh seemed towny

protos catchup seemed towny (though i tunneled him at first until he dropped the bigger post)

colin has seemed towny (already noted my reasons for townleaning him multiple times)

tim has seemed towny

linki edit: sure amys town yea (things that strengthened this read in n2 included admitting not reading and idk, perspective stuff, having doubt on the POE at the same time i did, townreading protos catchup like i did, etc)



like sans mech, nut and hally might be in my poe regardless, and the claim stuff is just... idk its hard to believe fully.

Kinda what I feel except Colin and Tim are still really believable as wolves if we aren't in the scary worlds.

[Amy]

sure amys town yea

[Timsup2nothin]

Once you go Beluga you never go back.

[iaafr]

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

[nutella]

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

[Amy]

colin/tim/dizzy is my immediate PoE

if that doesn't pan out i go in one of two different directions: either i look at players who have been playing like villagers but have nothing mechanically clearing (wwh proto iaafr benson) or i look at the mech tinfoil world (hally nutella mayyyyyybe long con)

hopefully dunking colin ends the game so i don't have to deal with it lol

[iaafr]

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

what evidence are you referring to?

[nutella]

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

what evidence are you referring to?

i killed a wolf


obviously you have to believe hally to be sure about that but

idk man how can you think i made up that claim


anyway even before that i was going hard after radish and i contributed significantly to the burial of kza

[Amy]

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

what evidence are you referring to?

i killed a wolf


obviously you have to believe hally to be sure about that but

idk man how can you think i made up that claim


anyway even before that i was going hard after radish and i contributed significantly to the burial of kza

to be entirely fair, "i was going hard after radish" is not a compelling point if iaafr doesn't believe the premise of "radishes is definitely mafia"

[iaafr]

radishes just doesnt look lockscum when i iso them

and you and hally killing/janitoring one of the hardest pushers of hally and 1984ing the game into believing they were scum seems

well

like the play a nut/hally scumteam would need to make n1 to recover from kza/bob being lhf autoyeets

[nutella]

i'm honestly starting to get flashbacks to haunted by slep

ppl tinfoiling me and hally and that in turn making me tinfoil them


hopefully this game just solves itself and doesn't end up how that one did

[iaafr]

Okay let’s do thoughts and stuff. Disclaimer: in a technical sense I’ve read everything, but whether I’ve retained much of it is an open question.


(Yes, yes, go on and scroll to your name first. You know you want to.)


Alison – their immediate barely-justified tunnel on a friend could be an easy way for a scum to kick off the game (albeit I agreed with it when I read the early pages), but their turnaround on that read felt natural. Apparently that’s a thing scum Alison is capable of, though. But overall she seems to be finding targets naturally so far.

Amy – I don’t really want to make a read because I am cognizant that this is my first game with her and she’s a red on MU and that has baggage. Like I know it doesn’t matter and yet it does lead to hesitation. On the surface I don’t find anything egregious but I think that was exactly iaafr’s case against her, that it was all fakeable, and yeah, it is. But maybe I’m jumping to conclusions too quickly because of rEpUtAtIoN. I think a stronger take is that I find her explanation about being exhausted from Anni genuine (NAI but genuine) and so I don’t think she puts in this much effort if she’s scum.

Bensluga – town by post count. Usually I can find a couple posts that I know never come from scum B and I haven’t found those posts yet, but it’s early days and his reads are flowing naturally like a river even as they change course. I'm realising as I type this I haven't seen his scum game in a long time unless I'm forgetting one, but he enjoys towning and he seems to be enjoying himself here.

Colin – had to iso to even remember his (few) posts. I’ve mis-read him before based on activity level, so will refrain from shouting ‘scum’ from the rooftops or anything. But he's heavy in the PoE for complete lack of content. (I spot a single post with game content – saying he finds the sus of Scirrus more valid than that of Amy.)

Colonialbob – null

Dizzy – null (sadface)

Rabbit – um…pass? I’ve never seen scum iaafr in action so I don’t know what to look for. When I played with him in Inception I found it easy to find him as town, and I almost feel he seems a bit more mimicky of himself here than organic. E.g. he bounces his reads around a lot when town, and here he…has…but not as much. But like, post capping probably is impacting that pretty heavily. So let’s call him town for now, but I’m less certain than I want to be.

Kaz – this is only his third game off of Canucks (where Benson and I know him from) and in the other two he sat back in D1 and mainly stuck to quips and one-line posts, and he’s doing that here. I felt pretty comfortable calling him town in those other games even when others didn’t because of meta. But he’s also maybe going through the motions a bit more in this game? Definitely in the PoE, and with him that’s worrying to me – I get why others would slot him there, but if both Benson and I are putting him there that’s not a good sign.

Long Con – he’s popping in seemingly at random to post unmemorable commentary. So…probably town. But he’s good at skating by so not locking that in. I've seen him as scum twice, iirc, and both times I had him high in my townreads.

Nanook – I think it was Nutella who suggested he was mimicking his ‘nanookness’ or something like that. That…could definitely be right. But I’ve never learned to tell the difference. I did scum with him recently and he was more involved in the early game (whilst still maintaining his classic laissez-faire attitude) whereas here he just doesn’t seem to care at all, so GTH town.

Nutella – I’m vibing with her a lot as I usually do, but I’ve still not seen her scum game and I’m worried I’m going to get suckered in one time. I thought I saw a difference in her in Pyre based on how she went after me, but then she was apparently town in that one (I’m still not sure I believe it) so I’ve gone from thinking I can townread her easily to being uncertain if I know her at all. I’m mainly writing this off the top of my head so I don’t remember exactly why she’s getting votes now – was it her sheeping other votes? Regardless, I’m going to need to properly iso her to form a solid read, but GTH town.

Proto – didn’t really like their entrance as previously discussed, but since then I’ve liked their game. Like, they’re just poking around a bit and throwing out reads they’re comfortable making and such. No sense of worry or pressure to do something.

Scirrus – already discussed my dislike of his thread entrance, and his catch-up was…uninspiring. The question is did it help him reach any conclusions. He basically townreads a few consensus townreads, lists a rather disparate trio of scumreads, and apparently everyone else, including a number of top posters, are null. I can’t say anything pings me per se, but neither do I see anything townie-looking that makes me want to change my read.

Tim – so, um, disclosure…I didn’t actually read his fabulous wolf game in G10. So I actually don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking for to stop myself getting fooled. He seems pretty chill so far, like he just wants to have some fun and hunt some scum.

Tutuu – I agree with others that she felt a bit off D0, but also that she feels more like the tutuu I remember from Pyre in D1 so far – vivacious, bouncy, just plain fun to read. I feel like tone is something she can probably fake (and may be doing so after getting heat on D0) but what I particularly like is that her reads generally match the thread’s but not 100% so, which feels like a townie getting the same feel as other townies but accounting for standard deviance. I maintain some hesitance on reading her town, but yeah, probably just town.

WH – putting aside the opening-post mixup, which is clearly a genuine mistake, I do feel she has been…reserved. But nothing has pinged me, and the confusion over the opening post mix-up didn't reveal any worry about being caught for the wrong reasons. Still a PoE slot by virtue of not being a town slot.



This turned out longer than I had anticipated.

the entry on kza doesnt look particularly partnery

and it doesnt look like a particularly scummy readslist in general

[nutella]

(except i was tinfoiling you long before you were tinfoiling me lol)

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

what evidence are you referring to?

i killed a wolf


obviously you have to believe hally to be sure about that but

idk man how can you think i made up that claim


anyway even before that i was going hard after radish and i contributed significantly to the burial of kza

Not really. I can fully believe that even if I'm not sure at all about Hally. That's kinda the problem with this whole "giant mech clear group." You all are acting like we have to take you as a package deal rather than showing any concern for the real possibility that things are not all as they seem around you.

Why is that?

You vaporized Radishes. I am more than willing to believe you did that in good faith. I don't see how that requires buying Hally's happy coincidences whole cloth.

[nutella]

look i'm not interested in entertaining that radish was town at this time


if it gets down to brass tacks and hally ends up being an actual tinfoil possibility i could entertain some theory where they made up the mech thing


but i know that my own action was legit so i'm just going with easy world for the time being

[Benson]

MR is definitely mafia because nutella said she definitely shot him and definitely cleaned it and Hally said she definitely redirected MR's kill onto LC and definitely broke LC's vest and he said this definitely happened

and because there was definitely only one kill last night we conclude that hally definitely stopped the mafia kill

definitely no other possibilities exist

and that definitely can't be a plan from the mafia in some capacity

definitely not

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We’re not going into tinfoil worlds until we clear out the POE lulz

[iaafr]

i mean im just rereading that readslist over and over it

and it looks like a town post lol

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

look theres 2 options to end me tunneling nut/hally

1. find the actual scum (its not me) and case them

wait no thats it theres only one option

if you misyeet me my legacy will be to kill you so *shrug*

ok but 1. there is evidence i'm not mafia. there is no evidence you're not mafia

so good luck with that ig

what evidence are you referring to?

i killed a wolf


obviously you have to believe hally to be sure about that but

idk man how can you think i made up that claim


anyway even before that i was going hard after radish and i contributed significantly to the burial of kza

Not really. I can fully believe that even if I'm not sure at all about Hally. That's kinda the problem with this whole "giant mech clear group." You all are acting like we have to take you as a package deal rather than showing any concern for the real possibility that things are not all as they seem around you.

Why is that?

You vaporized Radishes. I am more than willing to believe you did that in good faith. I don't see how that requires buying Hally's happy coincidences whole cloth.

MR is definitely mafia because nutella said she definitely shot him and definitely cleaned it and Hally said she definitely redirected MR's kill onto LC and definitely broke LC's vest and he said this definitely happened

and because there was definitely only one kill last night we conclude that hally definitely stopped the mafia kill

definitely no other possibilities exist

and that definitely can't be a plan from the mafia in some capacity

definitely not

alright, yeah, there is a possibility hally concocted a whole fake thing. i apologize if that ends up being the case and i'm too pocketed to see it. but i don't think it's worth going there right now when we have a reasonable poe to solve from

[nutella]

i have definitely gone over my night cap but i'm assuming that's okay because it is purportedly the final hour

[iaafr]

hm if its not nutella hally who would hallys partner be

hmmmmmmm

[nutella]

hm if its not nutella hally who would hallys partner be

hmmmmmmm

...lc obv?

[iaafr]

hm if its not nutella hally who would hallys partner be

hmmmmmmm

...lc obv?

lc questioned the hally claim himself lol

but i guess still possible

[nutella]

tbh remember how i had a whole case on LC and how he seemed like a potential kza partner and everything

and he would be the kind of person to come up with a scheme like that

hm

fuck

i may have to actually consider this lol

[iaafr]

wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right

[Benson]

Lc seems the most genuine of those claims. When I read it in the moment, it seemed like Hally saw what LC said and jumped to claim when they saw the opportunity that was there. At least in tinfoil world that's what it looks like.

[Timsup2nothin]

No one?

My issue with Hally at this point is that if Hally is good and true we have this thing won with days to spare, so if Tutuu peeked Hally we have basically a lock game. If we "just follow the POE easy win" past Tutuu's expiration date we are committed and we just keep expanding the POE into less and less likely possibilities until it either hits or we run out of time.

[Amy]

hm if its not nutella hally who would hallys partner be

hmmmmmmm

almost always LC

any hally wolf world where nutella's town mean hally flat out lied about their action (unless we have 2 vigilantes which is not a world I'm entertaining) and did not redirect kp from radishes, which means either they tried to shoot lc and got blocked by a vest or lc's in on it

and why would they try to shoot lc

[WerewolfHunter]

I am really with Nutella on what has recently been said

[Benson]

wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right

Yes

I actually want clarification on everything about her role because the stipulations are strange. It's almost like you could wield that role like a pseudo cop action if no one messes with it.
Another reason to question the believably of this being a town role in a game where the wolves are ostensibly getting buried.