Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right

yeah and that part of it does kinda rub me oddly tbh

[Amy]

point in lc's favor, tho: proto getting a no visit result

lends credence to the vest being real, at least

[Timsup2nothin]

FWIW I have an idea why Radishes would want to just shoot LC without needing any redirection, but it involves my kind of wolfing so no one is likely to believe it.

[iaafr]

ok well

idk ive just been kind of assuming it cant be dizzy for questionable reasons

maybe i shouldnt have liked protos catchup that much??? him buying my claim was silly? but ultimately nai

idk

but yeah linki edit protos claim seemed very very real to me, from how he handled it

[Benson]

Also, lol that 3 different players claimed actions on LC specifically.

[Amy]

[mention]Hally[/mention] walk me through why you chose the specific targets you chose n1 when you get the chance

apologies if you've already done this

[iaafr]

wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right

yeah and that part of it does kinda rub me oddly tbh

honestly it strikes me as more likely real than not because

its not an intuitive thing to make up at all, yet it kind of makes sense for balance purposes...? turns a maf-on-maf kill to simply a check?

[mention]Hally[/mention] do you know what would have resulted if you did successfully redirect from maf to maf?

[iaafr]

meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin

[Amy]

honestly the biggest sticking point for me is "why would radishes carry the kill as scum"

that strikes me as off.

[iaafr]

btw i love all the fear i get for all the being hedgy/wrong and infinite flipflopping like "wow what a nice meta to have if youre wolf you can just remove anybody from locktown and tunnel your own townreads and its in your townrange"

and then when i actually roll wolf im like frozen and my reads are static and i cant even use my own flipflop meta properly

i mean part of why i'm paranoid of you here is that...you haven't been doing the flipflop thing as dramatically as usual imo and it just kinda feels like you're struggling a bit to emulate it

and especially the way you stayed tunneled on amy for much longer than was merited imo was triggering

would u believe me if i say i flip flopped far more on amy than i posted about and sometimes im fine maintaining a sus i dont necessarily have just to keep it in the collective consciousness esp if it doesnt seem to bother the person?

i would believe you but i wouldn't think you are town






......seriously this is very not a town iaafr post wtf dude

oh yea i didnt get to respond to this earlier because my soapbox broke

thats a super town iaafr post tbh apparently you just dont know the b r e a d t h of my r a n g e

[Timsup2nothin]

meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin

I'm in hoping that Tutuu welcomes the dawn alive and well and once again just says "okay guys, there's your wolf" so we can just turbo the last of them, declare Tutuu greatest of GOATs, and take the win. I am not too proud to say "mech and perfect storm and good jon ny Tutuu" and chalk it up.

[nutella]

meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin

maybe. I think I should just let occam steer me on that one. I really wanted to soul read colin on tone (and on the LC track claim) but he's generally been in the background and I remember someone pointing out that he looked bad from bob spew (bob made a null read on him or something)

[Timsup2nothin]

Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.

[iaafr]

Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.

yaaassssssssss

[Benson]

Colin does seem really likely when you believe proto's claim (which I do as well) and you consider how many tracking actions the town would have in the scenario Colin is town. Just far fetched.

[WerewolfHunter]

Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.

I'm just assuming he's a little late

[nutella]

honestly the biggest sticking point for me is "why would radishes carry the kill as scum"

that strikes me as off.

nah I don't have an issue with that at all? like I know theres been some varying opinions on this in like the meta of the current champs setup and stuff but if the wolves had any suspicion there was a tracker, which seems a reasonable assumption to make, why not just have radish do it bc he was like essentially outed and always dying next

[iaafr]

@protocultures I believe your claim and will not be voting for you tomorrow. However your tinfoil of hally makes zero sense and is really just annoying at this point where we have a clear direction on where to go next. Your last post that I think hally didn't see to respond to before running out of posts just doesn't make any sense. Radish was Hally's top suspect, I don't understand what you're missing there. He was the obvious target. And I think part of why they cleared me was also just how hard I went after radish, in addition to the mech clear stuff which really makes sense if you just think about it logically.

Chill with the tinfoil. We have this shit locked down. We're not using a fucking cop on a mech clear townie when we can use it on a poe target. WWH and Colin are priority POE. We start there. I don't really think it's Colin, and I've gone back and forth on whether WWH is TWTBAW or just a losing wolf. But if it's not in them, and not dizzy (or you but I believe your claim is legit), I really really think there is a wolf in iaafr/tim.


My personal order of likelihood is wwh > iaafr > tim > colin > dizzy



Also @Benson yes it is common for the wolf who is carrying kp to also be able to use a different ability. Sometimes hosts make them forgo their other ability when they're doing the kill but I think being able to do both is more common and more what I'd expect in this game.

i mean honestly your perspective here is fine and i liked that you liked protos claim

i am just terrified your poe is 5 town

[Benson]

I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

[iaafr]

but yea colin seems like occams razor ezworld atp

[Amy]

apology for poor english

where were you when teaspoon dies

i was sat at home doing job when fred ring

'tsp is die'

'no'

and you????????

[nutella]

I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too

[iaafr]

i mean tracker claim is kind of an autoloss claim but

well i cleared nic cage in marblelympics for not playing himself out of the vig shot poe on d6 when he was literally trying to lolcat (with literal lolcats with cage faces shopped on)

so maybe i shouldnt clear him for that

[iaafr]

I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too

as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh

[Amy]

i mean tracker claim is kind of an autoloss claim but

well i cleared nic cage in marblelympics for not playing himself out of the vig shot poe on d6 when he was literally trying to lolcat (with literal lolcats with cage faces shopped on)

so maybe i shouldnt clear him for that

who, colin?

yeah i refuse to FA defense the claim, we're gonna play this by the book

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too

as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh

Yeah, total town perspective there.

Truth be told if I were Benson I'd have just never admitted being a lim shot and been sure to draw a kill after my doc power was spent anyway.

[Timsup2nothin]

Plot twist: the last mafia has NKed the host in a desperate effort to change the momentum.

[Amy]

Ampharos has died! She was Makaze, ???

[Benson]

I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too

as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh

Yeah, total town perspective there.

Truth be told if I were Benson I'd have just never admitted being a lim shot and been sure to draw a kill after my doc power was spent anyway.

I forgot to submit on tutuu so I still have another one.

[Amy]

wait i'm not ampharos on this site gimme a do-over

[iaafr]

ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60

[Hally]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

[Amy]

ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

high tier xpost

[iaafr]

lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

[Benson]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

[Hally]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

yes

[Hally]

ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60

ikr

[Amy]

lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine

[nutella]

lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

lol

[nutella]

lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine

this is peak spec chat

[iaafr]

lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine

look i didnt process the role name or anything at all but yes

legitimately that is what happened

when postgame happens and i am revealed as town you will know that i actually bought that flip for a second

[Benson]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

yes

Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.

[nutella]

i'm actually clearing iaafr on this ama

[Hally]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

yes

Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.

i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability

[nutella]

god this is so funny i love all yall sm

[Benson]

Sometimes on my home forum we'll change our avatar to the host's and post a fake nightfall report and everyone will buy it. Yeah a lot of stupid shit goes on there.

[Benson]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

yes

Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.

i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability

No, you guys will post them at the exact same time to the second.

[Hally]

ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Is your role unlimited?

yes

Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.

i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability

No, you guys will post them at the exact same time to the second.

no we won’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[iaafr]

btw if i die tonight in addition to some not-me dying

tinfoil tim for killing me with the broken soapbox i guess

[WerewolfHunter]

Sometimes on my home forum we'll change our avatar to the host's and post a fake nightfall report and everyone will buy it. Yeah a lot of stupid shit goes on there.

That actually sounds like a lot of fun