Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[WerewolfHunter]

I read the thing anyway, fuck me! Sure.

[VOTE: Benson] aubergine

35

I have benson and Amy before you at least on my list.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, big brain Clem is here to figure out if Tutu's thing makes sense or not

(and thank fuck for that I was not looking forward to building something from scratch lmao)

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Benson] aubergine and I guess that's a hammer. Your wish has been granted, kind beluga. I enjoyed playing with you.

[Long Con]

Ok, big brain Clem is here to figure out if Tutu's thing makes sense or not

(and thank fuck for that I was not looking forward to building something from scratch lmao)

Sorry dude, I hope you agree with the yeeting Benson part.

[Benson]

What the fuck. Why quick wagon me while I'm post capped and can't do anything? And without an actual analysis of ANYTHING I've done. smh


Insulting after what I've put into the game so far. Yeeting me after a fair discourse is bad but understandable. Doing this in the span of a couple hours - when I haven't been in contention at all - and while I can't post is just awful.


But also I probably needed to be put out of my misery anyways. I came out of pseudo-retirement for this, which I'm realizing was a mistake because I hate myself when I play this game for what it does to me.

meme for nute:

Spoiler: show

Whether we win the game or lose the game is beside the argument. You shooting MR, if you are a villager, is probably the worst single janivig shot in the history of janivig shots that I have ever seen, in my entire life, in 3 years, on MU, on POG, and I've been a host for 2 of them and played dozens. It is potentially one of the most anti-town actions I've laid my eyes on in my entire WW career. It is atrocious, dumbfounding, and inexcusable, and close to the border of gamethrowing. And sullies your entire effort to the game, so that your biggest contribution to the game is one in which you are literally indistinguishable to an outted wolf whose team has been decimated so far. Indeed, if you are a villager then wolves got an extra wolf, meaning that YOU ALONE are responsible for making this setup wolfsided. Think about that for a second.

Have a nice life

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: Benson] aubergine and I guess that's a hammer. Your wish has been granted, kind beluga. I enjoyed playing with you.

Isn’t 6 hammer? We got a doublevote?

[tutuu]

Yeah wwh is doublevote

I think its a mistake to peek Hally. Proto also claims to be chinese. If I peek Hally chinese it wont clear them, Mafia!Hally could have redirected me to Proto.

I think better to peek Nutella. Only German claim except if [mention]Long Con[/mention] is german. I know u feel uncomfortable about this but please, this is important. Can u confirm youre not german?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Before reading tutu's magnum opus, here's a collected list of claims. I haven't been posting it in case scum were lazy, but like...look at this shit.

Alison: Odd night doc/even night tracker
Amy: odd post addition/even post subtraction plus same flavor check
Benson: x-shot doc, at least two
Colin: full tracker
Dizzy: one shot full rolecard check
Rabbit: unclaimable
LC: BP
Nanook: one shot day vig
Nutella: one shot 80% loyal janitored vig
Proto: one shot [action track? Voyeur? I don't even know how to describe it lmao] with a parity check between target and target's target
Hally: Full redirector (if redirecting mafia to mafia fails, which makes it almost a parity check with 2+ mafia alive)
Tim: unreliable inventor
Tutuu: flavor cop, tantamount to full cop after one maf dies
Werewolf hunter: vote thief


Look at that shit. Like fuck dude...that's so much town power.

So assuming that one wolf is alive, and thus only one claim isn't real, I think it's safe to assume that scum at some point in time had AT LEAST one method of protection, and something to fool checks with (godfather or redirector). Potentially a role cop of some sort of their own as well.


I *think* that, looking at this, completely removing reads and purely thinking about this mechanically, the claims that make the most sense to potentially contain mafia are, unordered...iaafr obviously for claiming unclaimable...Colin (a tracker is not terrible cover for a block of some sort imo)...Hally, cause a redirector makes some amount of sense for mafia to have with the town KP and checking ability...one of Amy/Proto cause there's already a lot of checking power...LC for the vest...and Benson for the doc.

Narrowing it down with actions taken, if there's one mafia alive then Colin is just town...if there's two mafia alive then Nutella is one of them almost certainly, meaning that Colin would have to not carry the KP in a Colin/Nutella world which seems...questionable? So pretty much just ready to accept Colin as town, I think. There is an edge world where Hally and Colin are mafia that NKed LC but like...why. So yeah, taking Colin out of consideration for now.

Iaafr and Amy can't really be taken out for night action reasons, rabbit for obvious reasons and Amy cause her targets are like...fine, but also, like, the fact she hasn't claimed before anyone makes her thing super easy to fake. So she stays in the pool. Hally can't be entirely taken out based on night actions either imo, her N2 redirect away from herself is exactly what scumHally would have to do*, but N1 makes a scumHally world kind of complicated so less likely imo.

If LC is mafia it likely means mafia had a day use rolecop that hit townVig radishes, Nutella killed him and cleaned his flip, and townHally redirected his shot to LC popping his vest...right? That's uh...not super likely, kek. So discarding LC for the time being.

Which leaves Proto...a weird claim that is fairly easy to fake, is a one shot, and happened to hit one of two people we know for sure didn't go anywhere N1 (myself and LC--I think rabbit indicated they don't travel, but I don't remember for sure). So yeah, stays in.


So yeah, based on mechanics, I'm probably looking at something like Benson/Amy/Proto/rabbit, I think. Including reads, I'd say I'm most interested in Amy (who has been meh to null for me) and Proto (whose burst of activity/"solving" also aligned with him getting pushed, could be coincidence, but certainly doesn't make me want to TR him which some seem to want to based off that activity....which is pretty ???? for me given he literally has to come in and fight if he's mafia).


Now I'll move on to tutu's plan.



*note that this isn't a scumread, I'm ignoring reads for other reasons here and focusing strictly on who can be mechanically removed or close to. This applies to everyone else too, Hally just yells more

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What the actual fuck why would you hammer that.

(I reserve the right to retract this indignation if he flips mafia but I doubt it unless he's just trolling kek)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah wwh is doublevote

I think its a mistake to peek Hally. Proto also claims to be chinese. If I peek Hally chinese it wont clear them, Mafia!Hally could have redirected me to Proto.

I think better to peek Nutella. Only German claim except if @Long Con is german. I know u feel uncomfortable about this but please, this is important. Can u confirm youre not german?

Tim flipped german already fwiw

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

-Yeet Benson

-Amy peeks Nanook

-I peek Hally. I am most likely dying tonight so this doesn't even matter. In the event I don't die, peeking Hally might give a pseudo double peek on LC aswell. (right?)

-Hally forces iaafr to visit WWH. This is to check if iaafr can kill. Also WWH is double confirmed town, so Hally's ability can't fail. (Because it fails if Hally targets both Maf, right?)

-Colin tracks Proto. Make sure he doesn't go anywhere.

-WWH and iaafr can do whatever. Their roles are useless right?

I think something like:

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Amy checks me

Tutu peeks Nutella

Hally redirects rabbit to WWH

Colin tracks Hally

Is maybe better? It does leave Proto as a question mark, but a green on Hally or Nutella would be like...so helpful, cause it clears up so many worlds. There's another reason for this but I don't wanna talk about it until tomorrow kek.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm still assuming one mafia alive fwiw, if Nutella or Hally don't come back green we can reassess then, otherwise yeah pretty much assuming four mafia at start and MR probably red. Occam's Razor says that's the likeliest world so that's the one I'm gonna keep living in until/unless I'm forced to shift gears kek

[iaafr]

tutuu: "wow we yeeted my corrected townread alison for mech reasons :-("

also tutuu: "lets yeet iaafr's top obvtownread with zero discussion of his gameplay for a mechsolve because amy's claiming a mech that might quash one farfetched tinfoil"

61/60 (im giving myself leeway because spirit of the postcount limit probably means i still can post idgaf)

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

inb4 im wrong on amy anyway

anyway if this is how we're playing the game

well i rly dont have any desire to do anything but meme so

[WerewolfHunter]

35

In retrospect I don't think we should have hammered before letting Everyone to have a chance to speak especially him

[iaafr]

not hammering

will follow onto other yeets but im never voting benson

also we havent hammered it's 6 you counted wrong

[WerewolfHunter]

37

At this point I think the game should be a mix of mechanic and individuals reads not just one or the other

[WerewolfHunter]

not hammering

will follow onto other yeets but im never voting benson

also we havent hammered it's 6 you counted wrong

38

No I have two votes. Plus I looked at the message and they said 6 is majority

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

6/11 is a hammer no?

[iaafr]

oh right i forgot about the dizzy modkill

lol

ok

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I support the memes btw

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

73/60 and posting after hammer

come at me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You’re definitely out of the POE kek

[iaafr]

im sure this is my fault for not deciding just to break postcap when tutuu first posted the plan

or like postcapping in the first place but

well it was an unexpected twist in the day

[Amy]

oh we hammered huh

hope that's game

but if it isn't, i'm gonna get something to eat and then look at some things i wanted to look at

for real this time lol

[Long Con]

I had to hammer. I would have left it, but I had to do it. I can't really discuss why.

I am not Greek. I am not classical or classicism.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean uh

I’m assuming this isn’t gg unless benson is trolling so

[iaafr]

if benson was scum holy shit man

[nutella]

bluh!!!!!

[iaafr]

is there like protocol for posting in capped games after hammer or like

should somebody have instructed the game to stop posting?

i dont get how it works here

wouldnt mind getting modkilled because i think i blatantly townspewed myself

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Eh, guess it depends on where tony counts from, if it’s at the hammer or at his announcement.

If it’s from his announcement you’re definitely town kek

[iaafr]

oh wait no technically we dont have confirmed public info that theres a hammer because technically wwh could be lying about having doublevote today

so im at 77/60 and thats what i should be modkilled for

[iaafr]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Please play more games here lmao

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

[iaafr]

ok i feel better now just needed to get that out of my system

[nutella]

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