Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2702

am i supposed to be voting benson?

#2703

i have a headache

blame oog stuff

not doing any work unless tsp flips benson green glgl

#2704

honestly it wasnt the plan itself that tilted me so much as the fact that people actually hammered before postcap lift and before everybody checked in for it

#2705

why is hammer even on in a light game

#2706

back to nutella/hally btw

hally couldve come up with the claim if they're just mafia redirector; adding the extra stipulation could be the only innovation needed to gaslight town etc

nutella could've come up with her claim too, if it's just a oneshot janitor strongman or some shit to balance with the rest of town power. mafia need a strong set against all this town power? it's not a hard fakeclaim to craft when it's so close to the truth.

and they still didnt laugh at the meme

and everybody else is towny (arguably except lc but i expect a fullclaim from him in the next two days)

#2707

you guys realize worst case scenario is actually 3 scum world still

nut/hally/lc has never truly been off the menu in my eyes

#2708

I’m on my phone. Will spruce this up.

BENSON WAS MARCUS AURELIUS, TOWN.

additionally,

IAAFR HAS BEEN LOCKED IN MOD JAIL. HE ONLY HAS 5 POSTS FOR NIGHT 3.

Night 3 ends hopefully when I get all the actions in, if I get everything in I’ll cycle it at 9.

#2709

worth

1/5

#2710

still maintain its either just amy or hally/nutella

super outside chance of nanook but thats like f5 concern

#2711

yes im aware the plan now is to have amy confirm nanook

#2712

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:57 am bluh!!!!!

also this post is a scumclaim

(it's an ara scumclaim; i dont see why nutella would post this except to scumclaim)

4/5

will save one post

#2713

bunny burning all their posts seems weird.

Not sure I understood the logic to kill Benson.

Tutuu now dies at night.

#2714

Yeh was probably best to kill Proto yesterday, force Amy to either out or hard confirm me tonight.

At least we did 1/2 right

#2715

Proto and Benson were both VT and I townread Proto more.

If there is 1 last wolf they get outed no matter what with the Amy D4 yeet, unless its Hally, or there are 2+ maf left.

So that's why if we still haven't got anything done by D4 Amy's misyeet you guys shoud yeet Hally D5 and Nutella D6 unless something comes up.

We should agree on the plan aswell. Nanook gave his suggestion, would appreciate more suggestions.

#2716

[mention]Hally[/mention] u said ud bet the game on nutella being town, do u still feel the same way?

#2717

I wanna skip killing Amy and go straight to nut/hally now tbh

#2718

Why is rabbit clear?

Is Amy claiming unlimited checks?

If you need to kill me at any point in the game, probably better to kill me next instead of deciding to kill me in LYLO/MYLO gamestates. Not sure if me flipping helps solve though, I am just a standalone POE candidate forever.

I will say it's curious why nobody is pushing for LC to claim.

Colin has a chance of finding a red check in theory.

I think closed games are hard. Tutuu if you want to kill me, that's cool. Just @me and I will self vote.

Should we really make a public plan? Kind of allows mafia to play perfectly in circumstances where mafia have powers which town have no idea about.

#2719

Rabbit will become cleared by Hally (unless he's mafia with someone else)

Amy's ability is compulsory and unlimited

You just like rabbit will become clear by colin, proto, unless 2 living mafia

LC claimed broken 1 shot bpv and some passive stuff

The point is to clear out any potential tinfoils for 1 single mafia remaining, and make sure we're living in a world with 2 maf remaining

And its better to do it now and use Hally's and Amy's roles for it

#2720

Iaafr and proto also cant be w/w if u agree with my plan verbatim

So if we misyeet Any tommorrow and we dont catch any scum:

-confirmed 2 living mafia
-at least one of them is Hally, Nutella or LC (since it cant be exacrly iaafr and proto)
-Hally is the common denominator (am i using this phrase right?) but their ability is just so good and can be used to lock the game. like, they will be forced to make green checks with it regardless of their alignment

#2721

(So i would yeet Nutella D5 over Hally)

#2722

Actually i forgot colin i guess

Still too much permutations. It's hard to think about it

#2723

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:52 am I had to hammer. I would have left it, but I had to do it. I can't really discuss why.

I am not Greek. I am not classical or classicism.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] please confirm youre not german

[mention]nutella[/mention] have u considered the pov where you are town, you shot MR who was also town, i was the maf kill n1 (we know beluga whale protected me for sure now), and from ur pov hally + lc are mafia?

#2724

Oh i just saw LC implying he is forced to mechanically hammer

So yea keep in mind for future days, maybe he is always forced to hammer

#2725

Keep it in ya minds, homies!

I'm not German.

#2726

Okay

Random thought, Proto mentioned his role implied there is an order of operation in the game

So Hally is most likely a real redirector regardless of alignment

I mean yea, Colin also tracked them to Dizzy, I doubt Hally is a mafia non-redirector. Would require a very specific world (Colin being Mafia and Proto's role PM being a dud / cover for Hally's fake claim, set up by the host)

But like, if Colin and Hally are both mafia they could easily redirect Benson away from me and kill me n2, and get away with it.

So im gonna say Hally cant be w/w with Colin, and Hally is confirmed redirector of some alignment

#2727

Not sure of Hally + Nutella makes sense.

In that world they had a n0 or d0 or d1 role peek, they peeked MR town vig, nutella jan killed him and hally ... made him shoot LC for some reason? But why? Why not me? Or I guess if I was their NK who was doctored, why not a townread target? Tim was doctored n1, so u guess it could be that, and LC made up everything. Like, they d1 peeked MR towmvig, they killed me (failed), redirected MR to kill Tim (failed), jan killed MT.

So like in my mind, if Hally is w/w with Nutella, it means LC also has to be w/w/w with them. Otherwise Nutella w/w with Hally only is unlikely. Is my logic good or not?

#2728

Does Hally + LC only make sense? As in, is it possible? I guess it is

Nut killed MR. If MR was maf, missing NK was on me or Tim. Hally and LC could have made up their stuff. But in Hally + LC world MR was most likely town. So idk. I guess I just cant find any evidence to disprove the possibility of Hally + LC

#2729

I townread iaafr and proto based off of day talk.

In the worst case scenario poe of

colin - hally - nutella - LC

Im gonna say that I think:

Hally not w/w with Colin

Hally not w/w with Nutella unless Hally/Nutella/LC w/w/w

Hally is a redirector of some alignment

Colin is a tracker of some alignment (because he isnt tracker if Hally lied, but I already laid out why I think Hally w/w with Colin is unlikely)

#2730

Who am I supposed to track?

#2731

1

I also have no idea what I should do

#2732

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:43 am @Hally u said ud bet the game on nutella being town, do u still feel the same way?

yup

also what am i doing tonight? redirecting iaafr to wwh?

#2733

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:08 am Okay

Random thought, Proto mentioned his role implied there is an order of operation in the game

So Hally is most likely a real redirector regardless of alignment

I mean yea, Colin also tracked them to Dizzy, I doubt Hally is a mafia non-redirector. Would require a very specific world (Colin being Mafia and Proto's role PM being a dud / cover for Hally's fake claim, set up by the host)

But like, if Colin and Hally are both mafia they could easily redirect Benson away from me and kill me n2, and get away with it.

So im gonna say Hally cant be w/w with Colin, and Hally is confirmed redirector of some alignment

I infer that order of operation is a thing because my role allowed me to trump redirects/roleblocks.

Hally is a real redirect if Colin is town.

Hally and colin can be mafia together.

Agree if colin and hally mafia together, they can lie and tutuu dies previous night.

#2734

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:16 am Not sure of Hally + Nutella makes sense.

In that world they had a n0 or d0 or d1 role peek, they peeked MR town vig, nutella jan killed him and hally ... made him shoot LC for some reason? But why? Why not me? Or I guess if I was their NK who was doctored, why not a townread target? Tim was doctored n1, so u guess it could be that, and LC made up everything. Like, they d1 peeked MR towmvig, they killed me (failed), redirected MR to kill Tim (failed), jan killed MT.

So like in my mind, if Hally is w/w with Nutella, it means LC also has to be w/w/w with them. Otherwise Nutella w/w with Hally only is unlikely. Is my logic good or not?

Town vigi MR, town vigi Nanook, and town vigi nutella is way too much town KP imo. I dont play closet setups, but even to me, this seems like too much.

There is a world where Nutella and Halley are mafia and LC is town, and thats where Mafia had 2KP in the night, such as if they had a mafia vigi shot.

Nutella can be town and LC can be town with Hally being mafia.

My original point with Halley is that they can be in every world, and their reason for clearing LC and Nutella does not make sense to me. They shouldnt be mech cleared, even in their pov. They clear LC because they cant redirect mafia to mafia, but there is nothing to mech confirm MR as mafia in the first place. Its why I was tinfoiling in the first place.

#2735

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:26 am I townread iaafr and proto based off of day talk.

In the worst case scenario poe of

colin - hally - nutella - LC

Im gonna say that I think:

Hally not w/w with Colin

Hally not w/w with Nutella unless Hally/Nutella/LC w/w/w

Hally is a redirector of some alignment

Colin is a tracker of some alignment (because he isnt tracker if Hally lied, but I already laid out why I think Hally w/w with Colin is unlikely)

Nutella and Halley can easily be w/w with town LC if mafia had 2KP.

Town have 2 vigi claims, why cant mafia have a vigi?

#2736

I would like Hally to confirm what happens if they redirect someone like LC.

Does it say nothing happened? do they get no confirmation from the mod? Do they only get a confirmation if it redirects mafia to mafia?

Hally isnt answering any of my questions and keeps leaving the thread because they feel tunnelled.

Why is Nutella clear from Hally POV?

Why is LC clear from Hally POV?

They said they explained it, I ISOed, I couldnt see it.

Benson couldnt see it.

If the game is easy, its easy, but it doesnt kill you to explain it again.

#2737

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:06 am I would like Hally to confirm what happens if they redirect someone like LC.

Does it say nothing happened? do they get no confirmation from the mod? Do they only get a confirmation if it redirects mafia to mafia?

Hally isnt answering any of my questions and keeps leaving the thread because they feel tunnelled.

Why is Nutella clear from Hally POV?

Why is LC clear from Hally POV?

They said they explained it, I ISOed, I couldnt see it.

Benson couldnt see it.

If the game is easy, its easy, but it doesnt kill you to explain it again.

i do not get told anything by the mod

if my action succeeds, the only way i will know this is if i can readily observe a change in the action of the person i redirected

if my action fails, i am not told but again can deduce that it failed with enough information

both my redirects worked

as for nut and lc, they arent 10000% mech confirmed. but they are confirmed to me based on my reads of them/others and what i believe to be by far the likeliest explanation for what occurred N1

that explanation is that radishes was scum and i redirected his kill to lc, which broke his vest. then nut also binked radishes, which makes her confirmed town to me

i’m sure you can engineer a scenario where lc or nut could actually be mafia if radishes was town and how my logic just dOeSnT MaKe sEnSe

and that’s nice. i have no interest in it. to me they are lock town. you, on the other hand, are welcome to believe what you like

#2738

why am i redirecting iaafr to wwh? that feels suboptimal because wwh is peeked town

what if iaafr is town and mafia just nk wwh to make it seem like i redirected iaafr’s kill to wwh?

or ig the thinking is mafia will always nk tutuu?

#2739

but like... i think i should always be trying to redirect people to targets that mafia probably don’t wanna kill? so that if the target actually does die we can safely deduce it was because i redirected the mafia kill to them?

i also am generally against the idea of me saying who i will redirect to who

i think that’s a decision i should make privately so mafia cant gambit with it

#2740

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:49 am why am i redirecting iaafr to wwh? that feels suboptimal because wwh is peeked town

what if iaafr is town and mafia just nk wwh to make it seem like i redirected iaafr’s kill to wwh?

or ig the thinking is mafia will always nk tutuu?

U cant redirect mafia to mafia as u said

If mafia kills wwh to frame iaafr im happy as i get another peek

If u dont want to follow the plan then nobody should follow any plans

Like the point was to clear the game if there is 1 maf remaining. If u dont want to do this then everyone should do what they want

#2741

but if me redirecting who i want could mess up the actions for everyone else

so i will just follow the plan. hope it works gl

#2742

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:01 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:49 am why am i redirecting iaafr to wwh? that feels suboptimal because wwh is peeked town

what if iaafr is town and mafia just nk wwh to make it seem like i redirected iaafr’s kill to wwh?

or ig the thinking is mafia will always nk tutuu?
U cant redirect mafia to mafia as u said

If mafia kills wwh to frame iaafr im happy as i get another peek

If u dont want to follow the plan then nobody should follow any plans

Like the point was to clear the game if there is 1 maf remaining. If u dont want to do this then everyone should do what they want

i’ll just do it

i don’t wanna mess everything up and get ppl confused

#2743

k i submitted iaafr to wwh

gl gl

#2744

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:03 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:26 am I townread iaafr and proto based off of day talk.

In the worst case scenario poe of

colin - hally - nutella - LC

Im gonna say that I think:

Hally not w/w with Colin

Hally not w/w with Nutella unless Hally/Nutella/LC w/w/w

Hally is a redirector of some alignment

Colin is a tracker of some alignment (because he isnt tracker if Hally lied, but I already laid out why I think Hally w/w with Colin is unlikely)
Nutella and Halley can easily be w/w with town LC if mafia had 2KP.

Town have 2 vigi claims, why cant mafia have a vigi?

Its like u didnt read my post above this one?

If hally is w/w with nutella and lc is town, hally for some reason redirected MR's town vig shot to a sketchball (LC) instead of a consensus townread target. Thats why i think it doesnt make sense. It makes more sense to me if Mafia hally redirected Town MR vig shot to Tim (who was doctored by alison), their factional NK was on me(doctored by alison) and LC made up the story about broken bpv, hence w/w/w on those 3, or hally/nutella not w/w imo

#2745

inb4 mafia kills iaafr to make it look like i was tracked to the kill gasp

but then tutuu will get a peek so w/e

#2746

this feels less like a mafia game now

i’m not solving i’m just a monkey with a redirect pressing buttons

there’s honestly no way benson should have been yeeted over proto

benson was never scum in any universe but proto still can be

#2747

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:43 am Who am I supposed to track?

Proto in my opinion

#2748

wait i thought i was getting tracked

am i just not getting checked at all? i mean... ok that’s fine but zOmG wHaT iF iM sCuM

#2749

w/e tutuu is in charge idc about this game anymore really so i will just do what i’m told

#2750

If everyone agrees on the plan and we dont catch any scum, and Amy flips town on d4:

[mention]nutella[/mention] if ur town, u have to realize there are 2 living mafia atm. so from ur pov, there is a very high chance MR was town

[mention]Hally[/mention] if ur town, it will be 100% confirmed from ur pov on N4 that there are 2 living mafia remaining, since every single player except u will get caught if they are the very last mafia remaining

lol!TSP?