Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Amy]

LC would you like to claim what "the actual way" is so that we're more inclined to allow you to survive to see night 5

19/60

The only reason I will withhold information is so I don't end up like Dizzy.

dizzy only died because he explicitly said "my decision power was X", which i expect you're smart enough to not do

beyond that i assume you can claim literally any and all powers and information you currently posess

and i would STRONGLY encourage you to do so

if there's another reason you cannot, please let me know

20/60

linki: sorry about the rand but i don't negotiate with 3ps. you're not gonna cooperate, you're gonna die. such is the way of things.

[tutuu]

18/30

tutuu
iaafr
amy
hally
nutella
long con
nanook

i am the town.

nutella is peeked town.

iaafr is mafia ONLY if hally is mafia OR if hally was roleblocked on the night they redirected him. mechanics aside, i townread him.

nanook dayvigged a member of the mafia, AND was peeked 99% town by Amy. mechanics aside, i townread him.

long con claimed 3p (who im guessing was non-3p at the very start. a mafia changing to 3p sounds ... impossible. cuz he can just out them all LOL. so my idea is that he started the game as town, and then moved to 3p. alignemnt conversions are ... not very vanilla, and i would have appreciate more transparency from the host in the sigh-up thread. "light role madness". i mean i am still having a lot of fun, but the sign-up thread didnt reflect at all what i was signing up for)

anyway. he is confirmed non-town. i dont think he's lying about his role

if he is 3p, town!hally's action to redirect amy failed either because of LC And/OR because of Amy herself. passive roleblocker

thing is i peeked hally, and THAT FAILED TOO. so like, mafia has ACTIVE roleblocker. or Mafia!Hally is ascetic

my brain is fucking hurting. fucking MR is janitored and he could have easily been town dude lmao

LC claimed to have his vest popped. now he says he just thought its a vest, but its a night action. so he wrongly understood.

so its possible MR was mafia still, hally succeeded in the 20% and got him to waste the kill on LC. so amy is mafia here

town!hally world make sense if they failed the 80% chance to make amy go to lc. like it doesnt mean amy is mafia, i just know from my pov, if i hypothethically had my peek on hally town i would have known amy is mafia. but i dont

town!amy world also makes sense if hally is mafia who is ascetic/roleblocked me (or lied about being redirector in the very first place) and ... idk actually. my brain is getting fried

i have no idea if im writing anything intelligent or its all fucking stupid

colin tracked hally on a previous night and got the result "dizzy". there is a world where hally is just a mafia roleblocker who roleblocked dizzy? but .. why? lol

ACTUALLY

hally CANNOT BE ASCETIC

IM A GENIUS

HALLY CANNOT BE ASCETIC

COLIN TRACKED THEM AND GOT THE RESULT "dizzy"

WAIT NO FUCK THEY CAN BE ASCETIC

if hally is mafia ascetic redirector they made colin target wwh.

FUCK ME

DUDE

DUDE

DUDE

F U C K M E

DUDE 20 NEW POSTS ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME

[WerewolfHunter]

Thanks for a great first game on this site. Loved playing with all of you and look forward to doing so agsin

[Hally]

LC would you like to claim what "the actual way" is so that we're more inclined to allow you to survive to see night 5

19/60

The only reason I will withhold information is so I don't end up like Dizzy.

please ask tony if you can say it and if he says yes say it

I already know the answer, and I will not say it. It's not going to solve the game for you; you don't need this info.

question: based on the info you have but cannot share

1) do you have any reason to believe or not believe radishes was mafia?

2) do you have any reason to believe i am or am not mafia?

as in, does your info gel with a v!me/w!radishes world? or is there any reason we should not think radishes was mafia?

[Amy]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] did you legitimately have a vest or was that cover for your NA immunity

if it's the latter... this game might have gotten real weird.

21/60

[Amy]

i'm conserving posts. i need to reread and i need to think. see you in a bit.

22/60

[Hally]

@Long Con did you legitimately have a vest or was that cover for your NA immunity

if it's the latter... this game might have gotten real weird.

21/60

was just about to ask this

like lc, how do you KNOW you were targeted with kp? you have a vest in addition to the 80% immunity??

[Long Con]

LC would you like to claim what "the actual way" is so that we're more inclined to allow you to survive to see night 5

19/60

The only reason I will withhold information is so I don't end up like Dizzy.

please ask tony if you can say it and if he says yes say it

I already know the answer, and I will not say it. It's not going to solve the game for you; you don't need this info.

question: based on the info you have but cannot share

1) do you have any reason to believe or not believe radishes was mafia?

2) do you have any reason to believe i am or am not mafia?

as in, does your info gel with a v!me/w!radishes world? or is there any reason we should not think radishes was mafia?

No, I swear, I believed all that normally. If it was legit, it was an awesome conjunction of powers. I like tutus analysis of my role, it was a good read.

[tutuu]

19/30

the one intelligent thought i may have is that EVERYONE looked genuinely surprised at LC claiming all night actions involving him have a 80% failure rate

im gonna trust my maf skills on this one and perceive this as a fact. no one knew this about LC (if he's 3p) so like it was a wild card

should i try to do night action analysis or what?

if hally is mafia, whats their win con. make me target lc? thats why my action failed? and then not kill me? doesnt make sense, cuz i would out LC as austrian, and it would be confirmed they chose to redirect me. and they claimed they made amy visit LC BEFORE i outed my night results

if amy is mafia, whats their win con? uhh ... just slowroll and troll? uh

idk, i townread her on d5 but i still cant get over her n4 posts about how she scumread me over hally

how tf do u scumread me over hally EVER

like, mafia!amy's wincon is i guess keep my alive to push her tinfoil that im mafia today?

so like, only cuz of that, i think mafia!amy has more to gain by leaving me alive than maf!hally?

unless maf!hally relies on pocekting me?

WHO THE FUCK ROLEBLOCKED ME

FRICK YOU

[Long Con]

Guys, I need to be involved with a scum Lynch to win. One more scum Lynch, ideally there is only one more scum. I cannot afford not to be involved with a hammer. If that is a deal-breaker then, I'm sorry. That's the way it is. I do want to Lynch scum. I do need to Lynch scum.

[Long Con]

@Long Con did you legitimately have a vest or was that cover for your NA immunity

if it's the latter... this game might have gotten real weird.

21/60

was just about to ask this

like lc, how do you KNOW you were targeted with kp? you have a vest in addition to the 80% immunity??

I legit had a vest.

[tutuu]

20/30

"there are no 3p in this game AT THE START"

this wording, this ELABORATE and EXPLICIT wording on the OP of the game

makes me wanna believe long con ngl (that hes 3p and not mafia)

who the fuck writes like that if he plans on putting no 3p period? at all?

[mention]nutella[/mention] have u played in previous tsp games? did he do the same wording verbatim in the OP? and was there no 3p in a supposed previous game on his?

conserving posts now. i just cant not hipfire i have too much energy. holy shit only 10 posts left holy fucking shit

[tutuu]

21/30 sorry i cant fucking resist

everyone please unvote! just for protocol

ignoring all of these extremely frustrating mechanics

hally is scummier than amy today imo. just purely based off of reactions and day talk

amy was so much energetic and livid (in my subjective opinion)

she spent so much hours tinfoiling me over hally (??????) last night and now then based off of this new info idk i just kinda vibed with her? i liked how she was like "wait a second?"

whereas hally is getting defensive / quiet a bit? (in my personal subjective opinion)

like hally, if ur town, why arent u burying amy rn?

rn my mind is on voting hally ignoring all fucking stupid mechanics

[Hally]

21/30 sorry i cant fucking resist

everyone please unvote! just for protocol

ignoring all of these extremely frustrating mechanics

hally is scummier than amy today imo. just purely based off of reactions and day talk

amy was so much energetic and livid (in my subjective opinion)

she spent so much hours tinfoiling me over hally (??????) last night and now then based off of this new info idk i just kinda vibed with her? i liked how she was like "wait a second?"

whereas hally is getting defensive / quiet a bit? (in my personal subjective opinion)

like hally, if ur town, why arent u burying amy rn?

rn my mind is on voting hally ignoring all fucking stupid mechanics

why tf would my immediate reaction to all this be to bury amy

how does that follow

[Hally]

if we trust lc is actually 3p then the game hasn’t actually changed at all really

i’m still at kza/bob/radishes/+1 or 2

like lc being 3p is still entirely consistent with radishes being mafia and me redirecting his kill to lc if we assume lc is being entirely truthful about both what he has said and the part he says he cannot say

[tutuu]

22/30

srsly hally?

please tell me who is the mafia

i can see ur pushing LC

LC cant be the lone mafia from ur pov (because of ur n1 redirect)

from ur pov its only amy, or amy + lc

unless u think ur iaafr thing failed

or u tinfoil me or nanook

how is ur immediate reaction not to bury amy?

feels impossible?

linki: 2 ppl were doctored n1 btw! both me and tim

[Hally]

22/30

srsly hally?

please tell me who is the mafia

i can see ur pushing LC

LC cant be the lone mafia from ur pov (because of ur n1 redirect)

from ur pov its only amy, or amy + lc

unless u think ur iaafr thing failed

or u tinfoil me or nanook

how is ur immediate reaction not to bury amy?

feels impossible?

linki: 2 ppl were doctored n1 btw! both me and tim

ok but like

give me 15 minutes to process everything and recalibrate?

i don’t need to instantly start burying mafia ok i’m still kinda reeling at everything

[iaafr]

22/60

so if i hadnt picked lc to redirect amy to we just wouldn’t know ig

i’m glad i made that entirely random decision

so radishes was actually town? and i redirected his kp to lc? so town had three vig’s? How

personally i liked hally entertaining this for a moment, but it's just a small thing

still might be leaning amy but still obv prob biased

also still hugely questioning nutellas towniness in all this but apparently shes mech clear from your pov sooooooo meh

[Hally]

also i don’t think amy is a wolf tbh

her reaction to this whole thing has been pure to me

why does w!amy say i’m a villager? yeeting me is part of w!amy’s wincon regardless of if she’s alone or with lc

i’m a yeet that she absolutely needs if she is a wolf and yet she is calling me a villager and not pushing me

why

[iaafr]

also i don’t think amy is a wolf tbh

her reaction to this whole thing has been pure to me

why does w!amy say i’m a villager? yeeting me is part of w!amy’s wincon regardless of if she’s alone or with lc

i’m a yeet that she absolutely needs if she is a wolf and yet she is calling me a villager and not pushing me

why

im still townreading tutuu more than both amy and nutella so fmpov if im living in v!hally world you just have to be townreading one wolf idk

unless this is all galaxy brain tutuu i guess

[tutuu]

23/30

7 ppl alive

i have just decided that i solved the game

LC is 3p, MR was town vig, and hally and amy are BOTH MAFIA

its 4v3. we cant yeet LC. they gonna win.

IT MAKES NO SENSE

NO SENSE

NO SENSE FOR TOWN!AMY TO NOT BURY HALLY

AND MAKES NO SENSE FOR TOWN!HALLY NOT TO BUDDY AMY

U ARE RIGHT IAAFR IM GALAXY BRAIN BUT THE TOWN VARIETY

[Amy]

if it's 3v3v1 the wolves are already at parity and TSP presumably would have called it

worlds with 3 wolves remaining can be ruled out unless long con is one of them, i think

and atm i don't think he is

still not here

23/60

[tutuu]

24/30

i will now reveal what happened. just like in a scooby doo episode.

MR was town vigilante. this is reinforced by the fact that there are TWO town doctors (alison and benson). nanook being day vig is irrelevant, and im guessing that nutella is some kind of a special extra mechanic thing. 1-shot regardless

mafia had a d0 or a n0 or a d1 role peek. (i dont know this, this is just my read) they used it on MR. they peeked him vigilante. hally made him shoot LC so that later hally can claim town!redirector with credibility. obviously making MR kill someone else was more pro-wolf, but then hally couldnt have claimed their role. so hally made MR shoot LC so they have a TOWNY CLAIM.

one of hally or amy has a roleblock. they roleblocked me to keep me from peeking hally.

if ONLY ONE of hally or amy was mafia, they probably would have gave up on playing with so much effort. who tf tries to play so much when all 3 of ur maf buddies die by d2?

they tryharded CUZ THEY KNEW THEY HAVE A CHANCE

BUT NOT ANYMORE motherFUCKERS

i was repeatedly not killed cuz they knew my plan was bad. they found the weakness. kill colin to misyeet proto. delaying the amy yeet in my plan. also my plan never accounted for hally yeet, i left them for later. so this was just perfect opportuntiy

they tried to ruin my credibility. idk what exactly happened last night wrt roleblocks (why did my peek fail? was i forced to peek long con?)

but like

hally coming in and clearing amy, which from my pov is IMPOSSIBLE, because I KNOW ONE OF THEM IS MAFIA

COMBINED

with amy spending hours last night about why TUTUU is mafia instead of HALLY

COMBINED

with the fact that today, NEITHER OF THEM IS JUMPING ON EACH OTHER'S THROATS

is because THEY GOT THROWN OFF BY LC

NOBODY EXPECTED LC THE GOAT TO COME UP WITH THE CLUTCH

thats why both AMY and HALLY are FROZEN rn

because they cant believe the brain power they are WITNESSING

and they would have gotten away with it, if it wasnt for us meddling kids - tutuu (daphne), iaafr (shaggy), nanook (fred), nutella (velma), and our talisman 3p LC (scoobdy)

[iaafr]

good post regardless of accuracy

[Hally]

23/30

7 ppl alive

i have just decided that i solved the game

LC is 3p, MR was town vig, and hally and amy are BOTH MAFIA

its 4v3. we cant yeet LC. they gonna win.

IT MAKES NO SENSE

NO SENSE

NO SENSE FOR TOWN!AMY TO NOT BURY HALLY

AND MAKES NO SENSE FOR TOWN!HALLY NOT TO BUDDY AMY

U ARE RIGHT IAAFR IM GALAXY BRAIN BUT THE TOWN VARIETY

bruh what are you talking about

if it's 3v3v1 the wolves are already at parity and TSP presumably would have called it

worlds with 3 wolves remaining can be ruled out unless long con is one of them, i think

and atm i don't think he is

still not here

23/60

this is true unless lc is an active threat to mafia and they have to eliminate him first to win

like theoretically it could be 3-3-1 but mafia haven’t fulfilled their wincon still because they can’t win with 3P!lc

but like, there aren’t three mafia. it’s at most two. maybe only one. but nobody believes me about this so w/e

[Hally]

24/30

i will now reveal what happened. just like in a scooby doo episode.

MR was town vigilante. this is reinforced by the fact that there are TWO town doctors (alison and benson). nanook being day vig is irrelevant, and im guessing that nutella is some kind of a special extra mechanic thing. 1-shot regardless

mafia had a d0 or a n0 or a d1 role peek. (i dont know this, this is just my read) they used it on MR. they peeked him vigilante. hally made him shoot LC so that later hally can claim town!redirector with credibility. obviously making MR kill someone else was more pro-wolf, but then hally couldnt have claimed their role. so hally made MR shoot LC so they have a TOWNY CLAIM.

one of hally or amy has a roleblock. they roleblocked me to keep me from peeking hally.

if ONLY ONE of hally or amy was mafia, they probably would have gave up on playing with so much effort. who tf tries to play so much when all 3 of ur maf buddies die by d2?

they tryharded CUZ THEY KNEW THEY HAVE A CHANCE

BUT NOT ANYMORE motherFUCKERS

i was repeatedly not killed cuz they knew my plan was bad. they found the weakness. kill colin to misyeet proto. delaying the amy yeet in my plan. also my plan never accounted for hally yeet, i left them for later. so this was just perfect opportuntiy

they tried to ruin my credibility. idk what exactly happened last night wrt roleblocks (why did my peek fail? was i forced to peek long con?)

but like

hally coming in and clearing amy, which from my pov is IMPOSSIBLE, because I KNOW ONE OF THEM IS MAFIA

COMBINED

with amy spending hours last night about why TUTUU is mafia instead of HALLY

COMBINED

with the fact that today, NEITHER OF THEM IS JUMPING ON EACH OTHER'S THROATS

is because THEY GOT THROWN OFF BY LC

NOBODY EXPECTED LC THE GOAT TO COME UP WITH THE CLUTCH

thats why both AMY and HALLY are FROZEN rn

because they cant believe the brain power they are WITNESSING

and they would have gotten away with it, if it wasnt for us meddling kids - tutuu (daphne), iaafr (shaggy), nanook (fred), nutella (velma), and our talisman 3p LC (scoobdy)

sigh

i wish your peek on me worked

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I do appreciate a old ascot tbh

[tutuu]

25/30

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] please unvote LC ASAP

like, ASAP

please

ASAP

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sure


I still kinda think LC is the correct kill today

[Hally]

tutuu is clearly town

she’s like. wrong about me but like

still clearly town. if she is scum w/e gg

i think scum is pretty much always one or two of amy/iaafr/nanook

i don’t think its ever nut. i don’t think its ever tutuu. i believe lc that he’s 3p and even if he’s mafia he’s mafia with amy. but i think he’s just 3P

this is where i’m at. idk if this makes sense

[tutuu]

then start bussing hally

[iaafr]

i think im just going to vote with tutuu wherever she ends up ending up because she clearly still is more invested in this game and her own solve than i am in mine rn

i will share whatever victory or defeat tutuu brings

[Amy]

those posts look like villager posts and i'm suddenly extremely lost.

i need food.

24/60

[Hally]

iaafr still hasn’t claimed

how do we know he’s not the roleblocker and he didn’t just block me the night i redirected him

also random thought but tutuu still has tim’s security system that outs whoever would try to kill her right? so like... maf might not risk that idk

[Hally]

then start bussing hally

nah you start reevaluating

[Amy]

iaafr still hasn’t claimed

how do we know he’s not the roleblocker and he didn’t just block me the night i redirected him

also random thought but tutuu still has tim’s security system that outs whoever would try to kill her right? so like... maf might not risk that idk

tim's what

was that not a meme

25/60

[Hally]

iaafr still hasn’t claimed

how do we know he’s not the roleblocker and he didn’t just block me the night i redirected him

also random thought but tutuu still has tim’s security system that outs whoever would try to kill her right? so like... maf might not risk that idk

tim's what

was that not a meme

25/60

uh i assume it was legit? like one of his inventions?

[iaafr]

literally cant even hint

26/60

linki: i mean tim was definitely an inventor i dont see why he would lie about the security system (that would essentially act as watcher on tutuu; if mafia believed that, thats part of the reason they mightve avoided killing tutuu, though idk if i were mafia i'd kinda just kill tutuu anyway and blame the op inventor if it lost me the game)

i think he implied it would have a large chance to fail if it was a high power invention tho

[iaafr]

its actually gonna be such an anticlimactic moment when you all find out my role lmfao

[iaafr]

if all the roles in the game were like mine we'd be playing ww instead of whatever this is

no offense to mechlovers

[iaafr]

i feel like ive already scumread all of {amy nutella hally} enough to be able to write a scumcase on each of them but i dont wanna because whichever one i choose to do will probably be wrong

maybe tomorrow idk i need better rest

[nutella]

iaafr still hasn’t claimed

how do we know he’s not the roleblocker and he didn’t just block me the night i redirected him

also random thought but tutuu still has tim’s security system that outs whoever would try to kill her right? so like... maf might not risk that idk

i completely forgot about that


mafia wouldn't have

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

His inventions were one night no?


If tutu is town and that’s the reason maf has been avoiding killing her and I read into it I’m gonna laugh my ass off

[nutella]

i think i like tutuu's solve for now


but who knows i change my mind every post bc zomg everyone is towny

[Hally]

what if lc is telling the truth about his role thing but he’s actually mafia not 3P

but then if radishes was also mafia my redirect wouldn’t have worked

and lc claimed he lost his vest before i ever claimed my redirect so that can’t be fake

so like either radishes was town vig and we have three of them in the game assuming nut and nanook are also both town or lc is 3P and radishes was mafia

can there be more than one 3P

like i kinda think nut or nanook makes sense as 3P because they both have kp so maybe they aren’t both town? but they aren’t mafia either? which is why they came back not mafia to tutuu/amy

but i think like one of them would be 3P and the other town in that world

is that possible. like two 3P and three mafia

[nutella]

what if lc is telling the truth about his role thing but he’s actually mafia not 3P

but then if radishes was also mafia my redirect wouldn’t have worked

and lc claimed he lost his vest before i ever claimed my redirect so that can’t be fake

so like either radishes was town vig and we have three of them in the game assuming nut and nanook are also both town or lc is 3P and radishes was mafia

can there be more than one 3P

like i kinda think nut or nanook makes sense as 3P because they both have kp so maybe they aren’t both town? but they aren’t mafia either? which is why they came back not mafia to tutuu/amy

but i think like one of them would be 3P and the other town in that world

is that possible. like two 3P and three mafia

lc is 3p and either radish was mafia or tutuu's solve is correct and there are two mafia

i do not think there are two 3ps

nanook and I are both town



you're kinda looking worse to me with every post

[Hally]

having mafia have one kp

town have another

and 3P have another

seems to make sense????

[Hally]

what if lc is telling the truth about his role thing but he’s actually mafia not 3P

but then if radishes was also mafia my redirect wouldn’t have worked

and lc claimed he lost his vest before i ever claimed my redirect so that can’t be fake

so like either radishes was town vig and we have three of them in the game assuming nut and nanook are also both town or lc is 3P and radishes was mafia

can there be more than one 3P

like i kinda think nut or nanook makes sense as 3P because they both have kp so maybe they aren’t both town? but they aren’t mafia either? which is why they came back not mafia to tutuu/amy

but i think like one of them would be 3P and the other town in that world

is that possible. like two 3P and three mafia

lc is 3p and either radish was mafia or tutuu's solve is correct and there are two mafia

i do not think there are two 3ps

nanook and I are both town



you're kinda looking worse to me with every post

why are you both town

how do you know nanook is not 3P

why does me speculating on this make me look worse

if one of you is 3P that explains how town is not incredibly overpowered by having two vig’s

like idk i’m just spitballing lol

[tutuu]

this is beyond obvious

tinfoiling 3p is scumtell

hally has EVERY REASON

EVERY REASON

EVEEEEEEEEEEEERY REASON IN THE WORLD RN

TO BE PUSHING AMY RN

and yet they mildly put amy in their poe, limlply say "this is my solve ig", goes on to theorize about 3p

[mention]iaafr[/mention] i have german peek on nutella dude it cant be fake cuz no one else is german. cant be redirected. u dont need to tinfoil nutella

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] dude PLEASE

read my big scooby doo post

jokes aside i was actually fully serious and i did think about this very right

look at hally rn

how is this town!hally?

with those limp responses?

"sigh" to my big funny post about scooby doo

"sigh"

"sigh

"sigh"

could u be any more limp than that?

town!hally isnt indecisive enough to not realize Amy is extraordinarily obv from THEIR POV

hally and amy are both wolves, with HALLY having the BIGGER scum equity

PLEASE TRUST ME THAT HALLY IS MAFIA

NUTELLA U TOO

LC U WANTED MAF FLIP RIGHT? HERE DOGGY DOGGY GOOD BOY, VOTE HALLY (WHEN THE TIME COMES. NOT NOW. USE ALL 48 HOURS)

[iaafr]

[mention]tutuu[/mention] i will vote whoever you want me to vote, just @ me when you want the vote