Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

Idk am I missing something? Say Hally is town, why is this better?

@tutuu

If Hally is town it will prove I'm not the last Mafia. I'd have to be w/w with LC from their pov. Or Amy but cmon I'm not w/w with Amy. And Nutella is dying tonight.

Also Amy should be a question mark for Hally's eyes (which she is not, if u were to read their a bit more interactions carefully.)

Why wouldnt town!Hally be curious what result with Tutuu claim on Amy?

Linki: Thanks!

I will try to respect your wish for me not to pester and needle you, but please understand how much I wish to win this game, and things are so clear from my PoV, and I just really wanna win. I want no risk of losing.

[Amy]

fine by me tbh

if tutuu isn't solo scum at this point idk what's going on anyways

and i am very much ready to die regardless of whether it's a legitimate redirect or a frame job

[Amy]

think i still stay targeting hally to confirm lack of asceticism

have no idea how many posts i have left, will make this the last one just in case

[Long Con]

The only mech claim that Nanook has is that he daykilled bob, right?

I just want to be the one to say, why couldn't the wolf team have one daykill to use? Bob was redchecked - that's an opportunity.

[tutuu]

The shot was silent, no reason not to kill me, the cop.

LC please don't go there. Tensions between you and Nanook are already high. And both of you are my teammates and I need to work with you. Please

[Amy]

i have effectively a greenpeek on nanook, in that he claimed italy as his country and i have a result confirming that he shares either country or school with me (i'm italian/classical)

26/30 i counted my posts

idk when the cap's lifting because idk when day ends lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I thought night was ending an hour ago

Maybe the GM is bored with us kek

[tutuu]

The night might last for 23 more hours how about that guys

[Amy]

part of me wants to waste all my posts so i can force myself to take the night off

one of those days, fellas

27/30

[Long Con]

The shot was silent, no reason not to kill me, the cop.

LC please don't go there. Tensions between you and Nanook are already high. And both of you are my teammates and I need to work with you. Please

i have effectively a greenpeek on nanook, in that he claimed italy as his country and i have a result confirming that he shares either country or school with me (i'm italian/classical)

26/30 i counted my posts

idk when the cap's lifting because idk when day ends lol

Both good points, thanks guys.

[Long Con]

I do want to put that mafia daykill in my next game as a claim deterrent now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Fell asleep. Going to start the day expediently. Thread is locked (@nutella)

[TonyStarkPrime]

The night is over. Nutella has died! She was Dietrich Bonhoffer, Town. You all have 48 hours.

[Amy]

...so my action failed.

1/60

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Let’s get claims and figure this out

We can probably figure out worlds, I think should be relatively straightforward to once I actually, you know, sit down to do it kek

[Amy]

tutuu hardconfirmed not solo wolf.

nutella dying over nanook is. interesting.

amy, LC, nanook, hally, tutuu remain

LC still almost always 3p, imo.

possible worlds:

A. nanook/tutuu w/w, hally v. nanook is wolf dayvig, tutuu is wolf roleblocker. nanook carried KP and tutuu's roleblock was redirected to me by hally

B. hally ascetic wolf redirector, tutuu v. can't not redirect tutuu, because any result tutuu got that wasn't a result on me is outing. forced to stick to the redirect plan and hope i misinterpret my action failing. no idea on nanook's alignment in this world - possibly still v?

2/60

[Hally]

[mention]tutuu[/mention] what was your peek on amy?

[Amy]

nutella hardconfirmed v means radishes w very very likely

which means... what, exactly?

hally radishes looked super not w/w

hrm. i'll consider the 2 wolf world still possible because LC still needs to dunk a wolf for his wincon, assuming he's telling the truth

so the question becomes: assuming i'm not overlooking any possible worlds, who do we dunk to effectively lock the game?

CAN we dunk someone to effectively lock the game? i become less certain of nanook's alignment the longer he lives, if only because i expected him to die 2 nights ago and he just. hasn't.

if we dunk nanook:
- a v flip hardconfirms that we're in the solo hally world
- a w flip confirms nothing, but points more strongly to the tutuu world

if we dunk hally:
- a v flip ends the game in a loss
- a w flip either ends the game in a win or points to the nanook world

if we dunk tutuu:
- a w flip points to the nanook world
- a v flip points to the hally world... but also ends the game in a loss, if nanook and hally are both wolves

based on that nanook is the safest dunk but that's like. S tier infodunking. i'm not dunking solely off of that. want to hear tutuu and hally's results.

[Amy]

or rather just tutuu's, i guess. hally you did do tutuu=>me yeah?

4/60

[Hally]

...so my action failed.

1/60

i dont know how this is possible

i’m not ascetic, i actually confirmed this

so if you and/or tutuu aren’t lying someone is a roleblocker

it’s either you lying or tutuu is lying

idk how else to explain this

[Amy]

actually is there a world where tutuu/hally are v/v and nanook is a solo wolf

i THINK that if i'm willing to doubt my peek i feel like it's mechanically possible

but like... lol.

5/60

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yep, that’s me, the solo godfather with a silent day shot I elected not to use on the claimed cop.

Gg you got me

[Amy]

mm

if nanook is the lone wolf, he'd have to be a roleblocker intentionally framing me (and/or tutuu, based on yesterday's results)

but then we get to the question of "why didn't he start blocking tutuu earlier"

or like "why didn't any town investigative get roleblocked at any point"

or "why didn't any town role that would give any kind of result whatsoever get roleblocked before tutuu claimed roleblocked"

god what the fuck is going on in this game

6/60

[Hally]

or rather just tutuu's, i guess. hally you did do tutuu=>me yeah?

4/60

not sure, idk what the action that was processed was because my last “redirect tutuu to amy” may have been too late

gimme a sec

[Amy]

Yep, that’s me, the solo godfather with a silent day shot I elected not to use on the claimed cop.

Gg you got me

...actually, if you're the solo godfather you MIGHT want the cop to live

but yeah idk man game is hard.

might be stuck in a tunnel of not wanting to have been snowed by hally idk

but like... all my worlds have things that make them hard to wrap my head around. so what gives?

6/60

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sorry, solo mafia godfather roleblocker with a silent day shot I didn’t use on the claimed cop

[Amy]

Sorry, solo mafia godfather roleblocker with a silent day shot I didn’t use on the claimed cop

yeah it's. certainly not the likely world. i'm just making sure i have all my bases covered.

dunno i'm prolly just gonna chill until tutuu shows up/until hally gets back re: what their submitted action was

8/60 i accidentally did 6 twice oops

[Hally]

ok i can in fact confirm that i redirected tutuu to amy

so tutuu cannot be a solo wolf unless i was blocked. but amy claims to be blocked, so ok

tutuu can be the wolf roleblocker, which accounts for why amy did not get a result on me. it would also reinforce her narrative of “hally is ascetic” that she’s been pushing

or the last wolf can still be amy pending tutuu’s peek and amy is just lying about not getting a result on me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeh I’m not even gonna try to untangle anything until claims are made lol

[Hally]

i would be interested to hear why tutuu thinks that amy, as my teammate, would claim that she got no result on me if we are exactly the last two wolves

because that just reinforces tutuu’s narrative that i’m ascetic and gives tutuu more credibility, which a team of me/amy doesn’t wanna do

so like, this should show we aren’t aligned. but like, now that i point it out tutuu will call it wifom so ok whatever

like from my pov knowing i’m town this is either
1) wolf!tutuu blocking amy or
2) wolf!amy lying to try to reinforce the world where i am a wolf

i don’t think they can both be town here? unless nanook or lc is the roleblocker and blocked tutuu and then amy? which... ok? maybe?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I have to seriously say something in my defense someone let me know

Until then I’m gonna continue assuming I’m considered lock town and respond with snark and sarcasm kek

[Long Con]

Sorry, solo mafia godfather roleblocker with a silent day shot I didn’t use on the claimed cop

Solo wolf makes no sense, but if you were m/m with tutuu then she's not really a cop. That was one of Amy's worlds, and I don't know if sarcasm defeats that idea.

We need tutuu's info before continuing.

[Hally]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

[Hally]

*30% chance to hit if she targets a villager

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek

[Long Con]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?

[Long Con]

If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek

Why? You've been considered cleared since you killed bob, haven't you?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek

Why? You've been considered cleared since you killed bob, haven't you?

Why would you not?? I’d always have a partner faking a cop claim “check” me, why wouldn’t you

[Hally]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

in addition to all this stuff, you can just read the game

radishes was wolfy. nut said so. benson who knows him better than anyone said so. i said so. nanook said so. we aren’t all wolves

radishes had an incredibly partnery interaction with wolf!kza. it was wolfy af. it’s right there in the thread

unlike town!benson, radishes did not push wolf!kza even though he knows him just as well as benson

if benson, amy AND nanook were able to spot wolf!kza so easily, there is no reason town!radishes could not also have spotted him and pushed him given how much experience he has with kza

but radishes didn’t push kza. he pushed me instead and chainsaw defended kza

he did this because he was teamed with kza. we all know this. we all thought this. it’s right there in the thread

stop pretending it doesn’t exist. stop pretending that radishes was not obviously a wolf

mechanics point there. his play points there

he was a wolf, and him being a wolf is the strongest reason why i should be lock village to anyone who actually cares to evaluate my slot in a real way

[Long Con]

*30% chance to hit if she targets a villager

Plus, "the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf"... isn't there a 30% chance that this is not a fact?

[Long Con]

If me and tutu were partners she would’ve “checked” me by now kek

Why? You've been considered cleared since you killed bob, haven't you?

Why would you not?? I’d always have a partner faking a cop claim “check” me, why wouldn’t you

... because you cleared yourself. No one has asked for a Nanook check, it hasn't even been brought up. Would it make sense for town-tutuu to check town-Nanook after that? Who would support that on a cleared Nanook?

[Hally]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?

read my interactions with radishes in the thread on D1

look at how hard i pushed him and he pushed me

then come back and tell me we can be w/w. you can’t

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]tutuu[/mention] check?


Please be a red that would simplify this game enormously

[Long Con]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?

read my interactions with radishes in the thread on D1

look at how hard i pushed him and he pushed me

then come back and tell me we can be w/w. you can’t

I've bussed a teammate hard that early. It's a great strategy.

I'm not leading the charge against you, Hally, but that kind of appeal does little for me. Anyone can say anything and do anything in the thread.

[Hally]

*30% chance to hit if she targets a villager

Plus, "the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf"... isn't there a 30% chance that this is not a fact?

no

read the thread and town case radishes

show everyone why he was a villager. if he was in fact a villager, it should be easy to convince people of that using his posts that exist in the game

if you can do that, you can push me as a wolf. until that happens, you have zero reason not to accept that we live in a wolf!radishes world

i’m tired of this bs where we pretend nothing in the thread exists except claims and things that are readily apparent somehow aren’t

it is readily apparent that radishes was a wolf

[Hally]

i would like to point out that nut’s flip and role point STRONGLY to a wolf!radishes world

nut said her ability is that she has an 80% chance to hit if she tries to kill a wolf versus 30% chance to hit if she’s a villager

so just the fact that she hit on radishes indicates wolf!radishes strongly

another thing pointing to wolf radishes is that nut was town vig. we know this now. nanook is also claiming to be town and is a dayvig

the world where lc and i are not aligned and i redirect townvig!radishes to lc and break his vest is significantly less likely because of the presence of at least one other town vig. of course wolf!me could have tried to kill lc directly and radishes could have been town, but why would wolf!me, who was squarely in the poe N1, shoot someone else in the poe? that would just be dumb

these two things together should put us squarely in the wolf!radishes world. there is actually no reason to doubt that because of all the unlikely things that had to happen to allow radishes to be town this game, both from a play standpoint and mechanically

i CANNOT be w/w with radishes and i refuse to humor anyone saying that i am or could be. no i can’t be. the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf

I like these points, but why the "CANNOT" again? Town-nut kills wolf-Radish, and his quick-thinking teammate Hally concocts a redirect scheme to clear herself? What's the logic that refutes that possibility?

read my interactions with radishes in the thread on D1

look at how hard i pushed him and he pushed me

then come back and tell me we can be w/w. you can’t

I've bussed a teammate hard that early. It's a great strategy.

I'm not leading the charge against you, Hally, but that kind of appeal does little for me. Anyone can say anything and do anything in the thread.

i’m not you. radishes is not you

i don’t treat my teammates like i did radishes and i don’t believe radishes would treat my slot that way if he was teamed with me/sc

if you believe that, fine

i don’t even know why i’m taking to you and trying to convince you when you’re not even a villager

[Long Con]

*30% chance to hit if she targets a villager

Plus, "the fact that we live in a wolf!radishes world should clear me to everyone. i am obviously not a wolf"... isn't there a 30% chance that this is not a fact?

no

read the thread and town case radishes

show everyone why he was a villager. if he was in fact a villager, it should be easy to convince people of that using his posts that exist in the game

if you can do that, you can push me as a wolf. until that happens, you have zero reason not to accept that we live in a wolf!radishes world

i’m tired of this bs where we pretend nothing in the thread exists except claims and things that are readily apparent somehow aren’t

it is readily apparent that radishes was a wolf

Sorry, that's really not my thing. I believe in the infinite capacity to deceive. I believe a wolf can be the towniest-looking player in the game, and vice-versa, because I've seen it happen so many times.

But my opinion means little to you, and that's fine. You don't have to prove yourself to me. I just have an issue with someone saying that something is "locked" or "100%" when some skilled and planned deception could be involved.

[Hally]

this is crunch time. this is where we win or lose

i have town cased myself. i have scum cases radishes

if you wanna push me based on the slim chance radishes was actually town despite everything in his play and mechanically that speaks against that

or if you wanna say that he was a wolf and that we were just hard bussing each other from D1 for no reason despite neither of us being that kind of player or having a history of that

then that is the hill you will die on

if you are a villager and you wanna bet the game on that slim chance and push me as a wolf, then we will lose and we will deserve to lose

i cannot do anymore to help anyone find me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wouldve been pretty helpful to get a prompter check report

[tutuu]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Hally[/mention] [mention]Amy[/mention]

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I HAVENT READ SHIT. I MANUALLY TARGETED AMY. I DUNNO IF HALLY CONFIRMED TO WHOM DID THEY REDIRECT ME TO LETS FIND OUT