U-Pick Anything Volume 2 Game Thread (Day 4 )

[Jackofhearts2005]

@colonialbob

How's life, broseph?

Point me towards the thingies I should use to find scum. Including the page where itas actually start.

also, life is good. i mean, it's been a crazy year in a lot of ways, but for me personally life is looking up.

shame about, you know... *vague gestures to the world at large*

Same tbh.

[colonialbob]

Daisy -

Hank claimed a role that makes him gladiate / duel another person.

Basically, the one that has the most votes at EoD between Hank and whoever he chose - dies at EoD.

that only means a couple people need to spend a vote between hank/poison, most people can vote whoever.

[colonialbob]

Yeah but I actually have to stay on Hank because people are voting Poison, which is ridiculous.

I think ted is saying forced by gamestate, not by mechanics

gotcha. why not poison? eli5

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

[Timsup2nothin]

Can anybody explain to me why ephemeral has 7 votes on him? Last night he had 10 but I didn't have enough time to figure out why when I looked at the ISO, and due to a lack of time.
Personally I would've labelled him as NAI (to be determined) last night becuase I felt it wasn't exactly towny or scummy.

Is there something about mashes/rolemadness that I should be looking for in scum that is unique to large role-madness games?

He was suggested as a somewhat consensus killable person before the ITAs and was still alive at the end so I parked a vote there. On a day one I will generally try to find some sort of consensus, myself, because I try to avoid letting my knee jerk "oh look a wolf!!!" imagination drive serious consequences if I can avoid it. ITAs are kind of forcing.

By EoD I will have either found a better place for that vote or will have found a better reason to keep it there.

----------------------------------Unrelated

I'm trying to sort out how to react to your shot on Exalt.

If I take "didn't see on list" at face value then that eliminates having to choose between "bad town gives wolves cover" v "just a wolf hiding as a bad town." I am inclined to go that way, but that leads to "okay, were you town in the first place when I set that aside?"

To answer that I need to know...why Exalt? What has the basis for picking him?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

oh wait why are there dead people still voting in the poll then?

Hi chad

[colonialbob]

Oh DaisyCloud did.

Very good. Townly shot there.

hot taek

honk take

hat tonk

[Hyena]

Spoiler: show

ok im gonna run a lil exercise we do on my home forum if there's anyone currently in the thread

i call it BTH or Bun to Head reads

how it works is, answer these 2 questions.

1) if you had a pet rabbit, which player in this mash would you name it after?
2) is that player town? you have 3 possible responses to this question: YES, NO, BUNBUN

this is a serious exercise and i will be reading most of this game according to responses

1. nutella, with a lowercase n
2. YES

An eager and ready bun, with an appreciation for the tastier things in life. Knows what it wants.
Very interactive during the BUNBUN session, and even commenting on other participants! We note that even though this bunny is extremely focused on the banana, it has an alert and flexible focus.
We award Hyena 24/7 BUNBUN points. Of course, since all BUNs are 24/7, quantifying any extra BUNBUN points is impossible, but we are acknowledging that they have been earned with this Rabbit of Approval:

Aaaaaaa, cute overload. ♡♡♡

[Hyena]

Also, hi. I'm awake now.

[Hyena]

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

Jumpluff's iso is full of adorable rabbit gifs.

Wanna go a fourth time? :3

[Jackofhearts2005]

A shot rings out!

Trustworthy Liberal has died

Spoiler: show

Trustworthy Liberal was Jinx

Each night you may target a player. That player will receive a mark. Once during the game you may kill everyone you marked. You can activate this ability at any time. You have two win conditions. You win if you end the game with your action. Or you win if you survive to endgame without killing anyone.

Independent aligned.

This is why you kill survivor claims in games with enough kp to afford to be able to.

[Hyena]

We should kill hyena. Ty.

No. Bad Wilgy.

[MartinGG99]

Can anybody explain to me why ephemeral has 7 votes on him? Last night he had 10 but I didn't have enough time to figure out why when I looked at the ISO, and due to a lack of time.
Personally I would've labelled him as NAI (to be determined) last night becuase I felt it wasn't exactly towny or scummy.

Is there something about mashes/rolemadness that I should be looking for in scum that is unique to large role-madness games?

He was suggested as a somewhat consensus killable person before the ITAs and was still alive at the end so I parked a vote there. On a day one I will generally try to find some sort of consensus, myself, because I try to avoid letting my knee jerk "oh look a wolf!!!" imagination drive serious consequences if I can avoid it. ITAs are kind of forcing.

By EoD I will have either found a better place for that vote or will have found a better reason to keep it there.

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I'm trying to sort out how to react to your shot on Exalt.

If I take "didn't see on list" at face value then that eliminates having to choose between "bad town gives wolves cover" v "just a wolf hiding as a bad town." I am inclined to go that way, but that leads to "okay, were you town in the first place when I set that aside?"

To answer that I need to know...why Exalt? What has the basis for picking him?

To be honest, when I read the OP saying that all roles will have some sort of power, I thought all mafia were going to have powers or power roles that they could claim. No mafia goons.

So I thought that If I couldn't really decide anyone who was active in the thread as scummy before ITA's open, I should try to go for one of the low-posters since I thought that low-posting isn't exactly excusable even if a power role since technically we're all power roles. And heck, Daisy turned out to be right with her shot on the mafia who had only a single post (although I think my shot was done before that?).

That doesn't justify that I completely missed "Exalt" in the veto list, and nothing else will. I was eager to try and participate in the ITA's though, given that I read the MU articles before and and one of them had a theory or school of thought that said you should participate in ITA's as much as possible because there will only be 15-25% mafia in the group, and therefore much of the KP is in villager hands. I think I may have stressed on trying to think about ITA's too much.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah but I actually have to stay on Hank because people are voting Poison, which is ridiculous.

I think ted is saying forced by gamestate, not by mechanics

gotcha. why not poison? eli5

Cause poison is townie kek

[Timsup2nothin]

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Can anybody explain to me why ephemeral has 7 votes on him? Last night he had 10 but I didn't have enough time to figure out why when I looked at the ISO, and due to a lack of time.
Personally I would've labelled him as NAI (to be determined) last night becuase I felt it wasn't exactly towny or scummy.

Is there something about mashes/rolemadness that I should be looking for in scum that is unique to large role-madness games?

He was suggested as a somewhat consensus killable person before the ITAs and was still alive at the end so I parked a vote there. On a day one I will generally try to find some sort of consensus, myself, because I try to avoid letting my knee jerk "oh look a wolf!!!" imagination drive serious consequences if I can avoid it. ITAs are kind of forcing.

By EoD I will have either found a better place for that vote or will have found a better reason to keep it there.

----------------------------------Unrelated

I'm trying to sort out how to react to your shot on Exalt.

If I take "didn't see on list" at face value then that eliminates having to choose between "bad town gives wolves cover" v "just a wolf hiding as a bad town." I am inclined to go that way, but that leads to "okay, were you town in the first place when I set that aside?"

To answer that I need to know...why Exalt? What has the basis for picking him?

To be honest, when I read the OP saying that all roles will have some sort of power, I thought all mafia were going to have powers or power roles that they could claim. No mafia goons.

So I thought that If I couldn't really decide anyone who was active in the thread as scummy before ITA's open, I should try to go for one of the low-posters since I thought that low-posting isn't exactly excusable even if a power role since technically we're all power roles. And heck, Daisy turned out to be right with her shot on the mafia who had only a single post (although I think my shot was done before that?).

That doesn't justify that I completely missed "Exalt" in the veto list, and nothing else will. I was eager to try and participate in the ITA's though, given that I read the MU articles before and and one of them had a theory or school of thought that said you should participate in ITA's as much as possible because there will only be 15-25% mafia in the group, and therefore much of the KP is in villager hands. I think I may have stressed on trying to think about ITA's too much.

A'ight

I've read probably the same articles, participated for basically the same reasons, have also never been in any ITA game before, and overall think we are in very much the same place.

Other than...

Of all the low posters you just had to pick the one on the veto list and that's really unfortunate, along with the misfortune of being an against the odds hit.

Guess we just have to see where it goes from there.

[Hyena]

So, I went back and read over some of the reactions to Tony shooting at me and JPIC shooting Tony. Here are the ones I've looked at so far:

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ITA HYENA

ITA HYENA

BAD TSP

who shot hyena and why?

oh Tony. who is Tony?

tony sup?

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

lol good pick, pretty janky role tho

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

HIT

JPIS: JUSTPLAYINGITSCUM.

Jpic and ephemeral are the acceptable kills today

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

So we shooting JPIC right?

Out of these, I least like Poison's reaction. At first, she seemed intrigued with JPIC's shot on Tony, but once Tony flipped town, she was all eager for JPIC to get shot, which is kinda a weird 180 to me? I dunno. I don't like it though. Also, JPIC didn't really mention me being a reason why they shot Tony initially. I'll have to continue reading to see when he started using me as an additional reason why he shot TSP.

[colonialbob]

Yeah but I actually have to stay on Hank because people are voting Poison, which is ridiculous.

I think ted is saying forced by gamestate, not by mechanics

gotcha. why not poison? eli5

Cause poison is townie kek

Ok eli12

[Jackofhearts2005]

So, I went back and read over some of the reactions to Tony shooting at me and JPIC shooting Tony. Here are the ones I've looked at so far:

Spoiler: show

ITA HYENA

ITA HYENA

BAD TSP

who shot hyena and why?

oh Tony. who is Tony?

tony sup?

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

lol good pick, pretty janky role tho

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

HIT

JPIS: JUSTPLAYINGITSCUM.

Jpic and ephemeral are the acceptable kills today

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

So we shooting JPIC right?

Out of these, I least like Poison's reaction. At first, she seemed intrigued with JPIC's shot on Tony, but once Tony flipped town, she was all eager for JPIC to get shot, which is kinda a weird 180 to me? I dunno. I don't like it though. Also, JPIC didn't really mention me being a reason why they shot Tony initially. I'll have to continue reading to see when he started using me as an additional reason why he shot TSP.

Yeah, I agree with this read on Poison.

[Hyena]

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

A) I’ve said that

B) he immediately said it was a joke jfc

@9:19am EST:

actually I can be killed no one follow up on that but when I die follow my reads

@9:20am EST:

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

There's only a minute between Tony saying it was a joke and JPIC making the shot. Nanook, do you think there was enough time between those posts for JPIC to realize that Tony was just joking?

[Hyena]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

A) I’ve said that

B) he immediately said it was a joke jfc

@9:19am EST:

actually I can be killed no one follow up on that but when I die follow my reads

@9:20am EST:

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

There's only a minute between Tony saying it was a joke and JPIC making the shot. Nanook, do you think there was enough time between those posts for JPIC to realize that Tony was just joking?

Yes

[Timsup2nothin]

So, I went back and read over some of the reactions to Tony shooting at me and JPIC shooting Tony. Here are the ones I've looked at so far:

Spoiler: show

ITA HYENA

ITA HYENA

BAD TSP

who shot hyena and why?

oh Tony. who is Tony?

tony sup?

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

lol good pick, pretty janky role tho

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

HIT

JPIS: JUSTPLAYINGITSCUM.

Jpic and ephemeral are the acceptable kills today

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

So we shooting JPIC right?

Out of these, I least like Poison's reaction. At first, she seemed intrigued with JPIC's shot on Tony, but once Tony flipped town, she was all eager for JPIC to get shot, which is kinda a weird 180 to me? I dunno. I don't like it though. Also, JPIC didn't really mention me being a reason why they shot Tony initially. I'll have to continue reading to see when he started using me as an additional reason why he shot TSP.

Yeah, I agree with this read on Poison.

There is a low level gut reaction where 'kill town--->kill you" makes a simple kind of sense. While I agreed initially I am not sure that isn't where Poisons's motivation comes from.

On a practical level, this thing with Hank is probably going to resolve Poison one way or the other at EoD so I wouldn't invest much time here.

[Hyena]

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

I didn't get that on Tony at all. He was a maybe town, but I don't think he can be read as OBV anything on that sample.

I might shoot JPIC in the second window though if you wanna convince me.

Tim are you wolfing?

[mention]Marcher Jovian[/mention] Was your post in response to the post by Tim I quoted above?

[Hyena]

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

A) I’ve said that

B) he immediately said it was a joke jfc

@9:19am EST:

actually I can be killed no one follow up on that but when I die follow my reads

@9:20am EST:

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

There's only a minute between Tony saying it was a joke and JPIC making the shot. Nanook, do you think there was enough time between those posts for JPIC to realize that Tony was just joking?

Yes

I don't believe you.

[Timsup2nothin]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

Can I? Or is this a closed inquiry?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

A) I’ve said that

B) he immediately said it was a joke jfc

@9:19am EST:

actually I can be killed no one follow up on that but when I die follow my reads

@9:20am EST:

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

There's only a minute between Tony saying it was a joke and JPIC making the shot. Nanook, do you think there was enough time between those posts for JPIC to realize that Tony was just joking?

Yes

I don't believe you.

Ok

[Hyena]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

Can I? Or is this a closed inquiry?

Ehhh... yeah, I think I'm okay with you answering it.

[Timsup2nothin]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

Can I? Or is this a closed inquiry?

Ehhh... yeah, I think I'm okay with you answering it.

Wanted to make sure.

JPIC, like me, was figuring out ITA Syndicate style for the first time. It took me a while to relate the...paint drop I guess?..icon into changing text color. It is totally possible that someone familiar with ITAs here would have seen things differently than JPIC, timewise.

[Iwan]

whoever bothered killing Liberal did well tbh
Third parties should be dealt with kills, lynching them is wasting town best weapon

[ThisIsNotAceMarvel]

Heeeeeey Girl!

The thunder dome is dumb, like whatever...

Things to point out from my previous experience with this regardless of alignment:
a) It can be w/w to get towncred
b) It can be t/t with some condition as someone mention before
c) It can be w/t or t/t and a legit attempt to kill mafia
d) cane w/t trying to get rid of town

thunderdomes are not always pro town, don't forget that when you make your reads.
I would know since I died in one that was t/t made by a t

[ThisIsNotAceMarvel]

In other news I look fresh to death with my new dress and purse!

[Hyena]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

Can I? Or is this a closed inquiry?

Ehhh... yeah, I think I'm okay with you answering it.

Wanted to make sure.

JPIC, like me, was figuring out ITA Syndicate style for the first time. It took me a while to relate the...paint drop I guess?..icon into changing text color. It is totally possible that someone familiar with ITAs here would have seen things differently than JPIC, timewise.

That's what I'm saying though. Even if JPIC was familar with the ITAs, I feel like a minute (it could have been less since I'm going by forum time) is too short to respond to something at the pace we were going at the time. If anything, that strengthens my argument that JPIC probably didn't see Tony rescinding the claim that he can't be killed.

[Hyena]

whoever bothered killing Liberal did well tbh
Third parties should be dealt with kills, lynching them is wasting town best weapon

I feel like this is the third or fourth time I've seen someone make this exact post.

[Sloonei]

I commend whoever removed the “trustworthy” liberal from our ranks. Neutrality like that is best dealt with separately, and not with the power of the vote.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i solve this game

[sheepsaysmeep]

jk

[sheepsaysmeep]

i freeze thread

[Marcher Jovian]

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

I didn't get that on Tony at all. He was a maybe town, but I don't think he can be read as OBV anything on that sample.

I might shoot JPIC in the second window though if you wanna convince me.

Tim are you wolfing?

@Marcher Jovian Was your post in response to the post by Tim I quoted above?

In part yeah
I’m backing off a bit rn cuz of ran’s advice

[Urist]

LOL...yeah, not seeing all that in there.

Yes, you still seem to be whining.

That's okay though.

Do you have any opinion on the matter, or do you just want to talk about my opinion instead?

do you always respond to accusations by degrading the accuser, or only when you're mafia?

LOL...maybe I come from a site where mafia is a bit more rough and tumble, but if you consider my response to have degraded you I apologize. I just think a nebulous "this is a bad post" comment generally merits a one word scoff in response.

We do appear to be making progress though.

You think Hank is town...why? Does seem like a wolf sided sort of role I think? Hank hasn't got anything super townie in his ISO that I can find. So why town?

You think my post aligns me AND Poison, which she says she laughed at for a full minute making me wish I had timed mine. Are you planning to hold onto that alignment read?

Without making you "hedge" do you have an opinion on whether v/w or v/v is more likely here? Do you see any possibility this is some sort of high drama bus action?

I don't get offended generally, maybe degrading is the wrong word. But I'm guessing the intent behind saying I'm whining is to take weight and legitimacy away from my read on you, in the eyes of the other players. That's what I meant.

Why would it be a wolf role? Putting yourself at risk to potentially eliminate one person doesn't seem like a great wolf role. And there are probably better people to pick, if he wanted an easy target. Unless *all* of the wagons with 2+ votes are somehow on mafia, which I kinda doubt. Your points don't add up logically.

I think Hank is likely town, for similar reasons to why you are town-reading Poison. This is another thing I don't like about your post. You townread Poison for following his personal read and ITAing you. But you scumread Hank... for following his personal read and gladiating Poison. What's the difference?

I pulled a Daenarys and kinda forgot about the fact that Poison tried to shoot you. So yeah. Probably not a team there.

Hank/Poison is 100% not w/w. There's not enough passion in the reads to make it scum theatre. It's probably just v/v.

Tell me: do you actually think that Hank is scum, or are you simply defending Poison?

[Timsup2nothin]

I actually scum read JPIS now

Can you respond to the same question I just asked Nanook? :P

Can I? Or is this a closed inquiry?

Ehhh... yeah, I think I'm okay with you answering it.

Wanted to make sure.

JPIC, like me, was figuring out ITA Syndicate style for the first time. It took me a while to relate the...paint drop I guess?..icon into changing text color. It is totally possible that someone familiar with ITAs here would have seen things differently than JPIC, timewise.

That's what I'm saying though. Even if JPIC was familar with the ITAs, I feel like a minute (it could have been less since I'm going by forum time) is too short to respond to something at the pace we were going at the time. If anything, that strengthens my argument that JPIC probably didn't see Tony rescinding the claim that he can't be killed.

Full agreement.

My opinion, after all is said and done, is that JPIC has claimed a decently powerful town role and is likely to get killed by the wolves before I run out of better things to do with my limited kill power. Leaps to "kill JPIC immediately" were ill advised but might have been motivated by not understanding the time issue, as in by the time the result came back I think everyone had probably processed that Tony backed out of the unkillable thing. There is also that gut level response to just kill someone when they kill a townie, which I think is unfortunately real.

[Urist]

i need to #slankmore

[sheepsaysmeep]

i probably vote hank here to save poison

have read no hank posts

glgl

[Sloonei]

Just so there’s no confusion: the ITA thing is absolutely not a standard Syndicate mechanic.

[colonialbob]

So, I went back and read over some of the reactions to Tony shooting at me and JPIC shooting Tony. Here are the ones I've looked at so far:

Spoiler: show

ITA HYENA

ITA HYENA

BAD TSP

who shot hyena and why?

oh Tony. who is Tony?

tony sup?

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

Towny shot by JPIC imo.

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

lol good pick, pretty janky role tho

Someone shoot jpic plz

Tony was obvious town

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

HIT

JPIS: JUSTPLAYINGITSCUM.

Jpic and ephemeral are the acceptable kills today

When somebody says they can't die I test it /shrug

TonyStarkPrime has died.

Spoiler: show

He was The Embodiment of Champs Hero Syndrome

Every day you may not have your vote on the top wagon by the end of day, however whoever you vote for starts the following day with a vote.

Town.

So we shooting JPIC right?

Out of these, I least like Poison's reaction. At first, she seemed intrigued with JPIC's shot on Tony, but once Tony flipped town, she was all eager for JPIC to get shot, which is kinda a weird 180 to me? I dunno. I don't like it though. Also, JPIC didn't really mention me being a reason why they shot Tony initially. I'll have to continue reading to see when he started using me as an additional reason why he shot TSP.

Yeah, I agree with this read on Poison.

There is a low level gut reaction where 'kill town--->kill you" makes a simple kind of sense. While I agreed initially I am not sure that isn't where Poisons's motivation comes from.

On a practical level, this thing with Hank is probably going to resolve Poison one way or the other at EoD so I wouldn't invest much time here.

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

LOL...yeah, not seeing all that in there.

Yes, you still seem to be whining.

That's okay though.

Do you have any opinion on the matter, or do you just want to talk about my opinion instead?

do you always respond to accusations by degrading the accuser, or only when you're mafia?

LOL...maybe I come from a site where mafia is a bit more rough and tumble, but if you consider my response to have degraded you I apologize. I just think a nebulous "this is a bad post" comment generally merits a one word scoff in response.

We do appear to be making progress though.

You think Hank is town...why? Does seem like a wolf sided sort of role I think? Hank hasn't got anything super townie in his ISO that I can find. So why town?

You think my post aligns me AND Poison, which she says she laughed at for a full minute making me wish I had timed mine. Are you planning to hold onto that alignment read?

Without making you "hedge" do you have an opinion on whether v/w or v/v is more likely here? Do you see any possibility this is some sort of high drama bus action?

I don't get offended generally, maybe degrading is the wrong word. But I'm guessing the intent behind saying I'm whining is to take weight and legitimacy away from my read on you, in the eyes of the other players. That's what I meant.

Why would it be a wolf role? Putting yourself at risk to potentially eliminate one person doesn't seem like a great wolf role. And there are probably better people to pick, if he wanted an easy target. Unless *all* of the wagons with 2+ votes are somehow on mafia, which I kinda doubt. Your points don't add up logically.

I think Hank is likely town, for similar reasons to why you are town-reading Poison. This is another thing I don't like about your post. You townread Poison for following his personal read and ITAing you. But you scumread Hank... for following his personal read and gladiating Poison. What's the difference?

I pulled a Daenarys and kinda forgot about the fact that Poison tried to shoot you. So yeah. Probably not a team there.

Hank/Poison is 100% not w/w. There's not enough passion in the reads to make it scum theatre. It's probably just v/v.

Tell me: do you actually think that Hank is scum, or are you simply defending Poison?

That's a fair guess. If you had made that read on anyone else I'd have tried to take weight away from it as well. I mostly just don't like it when someone goes out of their way to analyze something and someone else comes along with a one liner "bad post" in response. Anyway, we're past that now and hopefully all good.

Moving on...

I do think it is a wolfy role. Not saying it's a good wolfy role that I would want as a wolf, but I sure wouldn't want it as town either, so <shrug>. It, or something much like it, was apparently just used on MU and it was a wolf role there. Not definitive but at least indicative.

Outside that I don't really read Hank as likely anything. His ISO is IMO typical low poster NAI. Not gonna jump up and down shouting "defend your read or pistols at dawn," but if you wanna point out what made you townlean there I will try to listen and learn.

The irritant to me in this whole mess is that I don't really have an inclination to "defend Poison." I hope that if she wins this duel, which I think she will, that Hank flips wolf. Not only because "wolf flip good" though wolf flip is certainly good. But I really don't see any way this is w/w and that would take Poison (for me) from moderately deep in POE to pretty solidly clear and I could stop working on that slot.

By the way Daenarys, I tried to shoot Poison too, which may not have been my finest hour if things go as I expect. In another odd coincidence, when she and I were trying to sort out our differences one of our "we disagree on this read so U R bad" issues turned out to be you, so that kind of added to the amusement when you came along.

[colonialbob]

hmm here's something off the wall i just thought of: using an ITA to take out a 3p means we still have our lynch to use for better things. pretty towny thing imo.

[Long Con]

Just so there’s no confusion: the ITA thing is absolutely not a standard Syndicate mechanic.

Yeah, this is this first game I've seen it in; first time I've ever heard the term. I've been playing Mafia for like 15 years.

[WerewolfHunter]

i'm somewhat here now