U-Pick Anything Volume 2 Game Thread (Day 4 )

[Poison]

i solve this game

Hey. I will iso you.

[Poison]

What is thunder dome btw?

[Sloonei]

What is thunder dome btw?

A thunderdome is what people call it when somebody decides that two players are fighting each other to prove who’s right and who’s wrong.

[Timsup2nothin]

What is thunder dome btw?

Two walk in, one walks out, other goes out in a body bag.

Any time it is made clear fairly early in the day that there will be two wagon lead by people who are tunneling on each other TD is usually applied to describe it.

[Poison]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

[Poison]

Ahh I see, thanks Sloonei, tim.

[ColinIsCool]

Scum reads:
Timsup2nothin
tedxtr
polypies
PunchyTheCat
Nutella
Sloonei
Daisycloud
Hyena
Sloonei

“Listing the same player twice on a suspect list” is a scumtell because I said so.

[Timsup2nothin]

So the ISO on Martin was not inspiring.

Even saying "okay, honest mistake" for the ITA on Exalt there's no particular reason not to vote for him.

His "I chose from among the low posters" also has a poorer tone knowing that he was also among the low posters, though maybe on quite as low.

[Long Con]

I’m gonna have an ita shat list by tomorrow and actually be useful - I usually end up doing actual stuff on D3 but I don’t see anyone with ant solid scum reads that are any higher than rand

In the meantime votes on sheep are appreciated

An ITA shat list? Is that accusing players who shot villagers? I'm in. My votes will go to the two ITA-guilty players most likely to get yeeted, so I look forward to your list.

On the 'shooting spree,' we started with fifty players. Without a ton of killing power we would be at this for life.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mason chats off the shoulder of Orion. I watched people reincarnated repeatedly near the Coconut Tree. All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Interesting that you would say this, because my role is Rogue Jesus - I get reincarnated three phases after I die, and I can bring back those who profess their faith to Me.

[WerewolfHunter]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

[Timsup2nothin]

I’m gonna have an ita shat list by tomorrow and actually be useful - I usually end up doing actual stuff on D3 but I don’t see anyone with ant solid scum reads that are any higher than rand

In the meantime votes on sheep are appreciated

An ITA shat list? Is that accusing players who shot villagers? I'm in. My votes will go to the two ITA-guilty players most likely to get yeeted, so I look forward to your list.

There seems to be a high level of agreement that you yourself shot a villager, or at least shot at one. How does that factor in here?

[MartinGG99]

I'm back.

Anyone have any sick read cliffs they want to give me.
Talking about ITAs and roles is incredibly lame.

hot take: martin has no votes on him because he is mafia

That was kinda what I was implying with my Ephemeral question earlier. It bothers me that there haven't been any votes at all on me. Not even pressure votes.

[Marcher Jovian]

I’m gonna have an ita shat list by tomorrow and actually be useful - I usually end up doing actual stuff on D3 but I don’t see anyone with ant solid scum reads that are any higher than rand

In the meantime votes on sheep are appreciated

An ITA shat list? Is that accusing players who shot villagers? I'm in. My votes will go to the two ITA-guilty players most likely to get yeeted, so I look forward to your list.

On the 'shooting spree,' we started with fifty players. Without a ton of killing power we would be at this for life.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Mason chats off the shoulder of Orion. I watched people reincarnated repeatedly near the Coconut Tree. All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Interesting that you would say this, because my role is Rogue Jesus - I get reincarnated three phases after I die, and I can bring back those who profess their faith to Me.

what if this is a conversion role
what if ur mafia
I guess we'd know anyways once ur role flipped
unless Mac engaged the "mildly bastard" part of things

[ThisIsNotAceMarvel]

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

I disagree, with the Punchy read. I don't see Punchy scum here.

[PunchyTheCat]

good morning

am i alive

tldr pls

[PunchyTheCat]

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

I disagree, with the Punchy read. I don't see Punchy scum here.

ok i’m alive

WWH that is an omgus and you know it

[Timsup2nothin]

good morning

am i alive

tldr pls

Yes you are

tl;dr
Ye

[Poison]

So, I looked through Poison's ISO, and here are most of my thoughts on him, or at least on things that are or may be AI.

Spoiler: show

One of the things I'm wondering is why he choose Tim over Maple when he said this earlier:

I'm probably shooting Tim/maple in the next ITA.

(Big quote below)

Spoiler: show

ITA2 Spicy Shots
Urist - Rej - [/color]HIT, Town Doctor/Vig thing (cool role)
Poison - Timsup2nothin - MISS
iaafr - motel room - HIT, Town Odd Night Somewhat Guilty Vigilante
WerewolfHunter - Xalt - MISS
MartinGG99 - Exalt - HIT, Town Role Cop?
DaisyCloud - funnygirl55 - HIT, Mafia Mikey Sub Out Traveller Thing
Marcher Jovian - sprityo - MISS
Long Con - NANOOK - Refunded/failed
jumpluff - Long Con - MISS
SilverKeith - Ephemeral - MISS
Adam - AWESOME-O - MISS

there's 5+ wolves in this

Ok so this. Urist was bad to randomly shoot rej out of nowhere will iso him then Martin maybe.

@jumpluff why long con?

Also I would like to iso Adam later.

The thing that is bad about Urist's shot is that he hit a townie. Bad luck that with (probably) shots that were on wolves missing the shot that hits was that one...but the fact that it hit doesn't automatically make it more wolfy than any other shot targeting a townie.

Yours, for example.

I understand that the only person that knows I am a townie is me. But the town makes a shot list and a veto list for a reason. It keeps wolves from being able to just plink away as they see fit because we know that their preference is going to be to shoot townies. By ignoring the lists a townie provides cover for wolves. So in that regard Urist's shot, while having unfortunate results, was not as "bad" as yours.

I shot at you specifically because you committed ahead of time that you were going to take a bad shot and nothing snort of killing you was going to stop you.

So here's the thing...I don't like Hank's role. If he is a wolf he is always going to target town, and maybe he already has. If he is town he doesn't seem to be following the game closely enough to make good choices consistently. Either way I am unlikely to cry over his demise.

However, I shot at you for a good reason, so I can't pretend that I would cry over your demise either. Unless...you get it. Show me that you understand the point of the lists, and agree to abide by them. I'm always gonna say wolfy shit anyway, so chances are good that if I live very long I'll wind up on the shot list and you can shoot at me then and feel good about it. But the town can't allow hero shotting townies that give cover to wolves.

Okay?

@Poison Chan

I'm really very sorry sir, and tbh, even if you shoot me again or make others shoot me I won't be following any lists which are made by unknown alignments cause nothing and no one is spewed town yet and it's day 1 and I don't trust those whom you have taken for a fact are TOWN, again.

The thing is, Idc about the list, in that list I'm boldly predicting at least 2-3 wolves are there . So if you really think I would be laying low for the sake of surviving a little more by listening to those blindly instead of scum hunting based on my reads and assumptions and intuitions then you are wrong.

The fact you have consistently said opposite about almost all my scum reads till now is concerning.

also, you don't have to cry over my demise, my ability flip would bring drama in your life.

He states early on with his plan to shoot Maple or Tim, but decides to go after Tim despite the fact that Maple was creating a veto list that included Tim in it? Why didn't he shoot Maple, especially if he were "boldly predicting" 2-3 wolves were in it?

Other than this, most of his other posts I don't feel particularly scummy or towny about.

His reactions to the first ITA window seemed a bit meme-y or silly and wanting to see "spicy" (If I'm using the term right?) things, at least from my PoV. His interactions on the 2nd ITA window seemed to be because of the first, so I'm not sure if I can call it scummy or suspicious that he acted a bit differently in comparison to the 1st and 2nd windows.

Spoiler: show

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

Also, in light of the Hank + Poison fight situation, I'm leaning towards Poison being thrown out if possible. I looked at Hank and I don't have any objections or negative thoughts about him so far. If mafia wanted to get rid of Poison Chan I feel they would've tried to wait and check out other routes to do that rather than just use a potentially back-firing ability before the first 24 hours of the game.

Martin, I'll be answering according to your points, including the ones within the spoiler,

-why I chose to shoot Tim over maple when I said that earlier?
Maple was green checked by HK, a strongman cop iirc, the term, which was after Maple's Miller claim. Even though I scum read someone, I cannot totally overlook a mech check followed by the death of the claimed cop with redacted role.


-the veto list? I explained the veto list thing somewhat to tim before and the one you quoted, well why I chose tim over maple is written above and why I did not follow the veto list? Let's take an example, you are a town and you are scum reading me, now suddenly someone who has my meta say ted, vetos me, would you not go forward and take actions against me as a town when you are not sure whether ted is scum or town himself? [mention]Timsup2nothin[/mention] you read it too.

-ITAS
If you scroll up a bit you'll see my reply to Hyena about the ITA thing.

-hank/poison
I don't know what you meant by "thrown out" also, I think it's likely to be a TvT.

[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] anything else?

[PunchyTheCat]

someone post the vig shots thing where it has bimps level territory of bad

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyone have any sick read cliffs they want to give me.
Talking about ITAs and roles is incredibly lame.

This is my list

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p645373

[Poison]

Isn’t the ITA thing limited to Day 1 tho?

Huh? Is it?

[PunchyTheCat]

poison still v btw haven’t seen a reason to change that

also tldr on hank?

[PunchyTheCat]

is 112 ignoring my sus on him ai

also the neighborhood has been dead silent since yesterday at 8pm idk how to start convos help

[Timsup2nothin]

poison still v btw haven’t seen a reason to change that

also tldr on hank?

Hank's ISO is a tldr on Hank

[Poison]

Ran News

- Hmmm Punchy may be right about Sheep actually, Sheep townread retracted back to null
- Poison wolfy
- Long Con wolfy-ish idk
- Daisy lock town, nice shot, TONS of information
- Silverkeith town
- Hard to explain Sprityo without spoilers for the character they flavor post as, but he should know why I said what I said and it's pretty scummy he isn't explaining it himself! The readlist is interesting though and especially scumreading Punchy and Daisy. Kind of want to kill or cop both Sprityo and Punchy. Punchy may be the effort wolf. Poison/Punchy/Sprityo contains mafia like 100%, maybe up to all three of them.
- lol at Adam's #3144 in light of the above

Also this:

- sorry to all the people I am relentlessly calling mafia in spec chat
- Poison lacks in hype energy though, I like Hank over her in thunderdome
- Ranmilia definitely mafia, don't trust her

Why and how and why again SK is town, is this meta? Tbh I didn't or rather could not read him cause of all the Spanish, why don't you share your views on SK and how you came to this conclusion?

[Poison]

Did sprityo ever reply to me?

[PunchyTheCat]

if sheep flips mafia do i get townlocked

[nutella]

hey people stop writing paragraphs

[sprityo]

hey everyone,I’m phoneposting, but it’s my birthday, I’ll be online to reply when I’m able

[Sloonei]

My apologies, citizens. A henchman received control of my intercom system earlier. He has been dissolved in a vat of acid for his insubordinance. That seemed like an appropriate measure at the time.

On with the plan!

[Poison]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

Apart from texting for the campaign, you are me. : O

Gl with college stuff

[Poison]

hey everyone,I’m phoneposting, but it’s my birthday, I’ll be online to reply when I’m able

Happy birthday!!!!

[WerewolfHunter]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

Apart from texting for the campaign, you are me. : O

Gl with college stuff

lol. yes. My college just moved from in person to online.

I believe I have 4 werewolf/mafia games ongoing right now lol.

[Poison]

hey people stop writing paragraphs

I'm people! I would stop though cause I ate good food,The weather is nice and cozy and Im sleepy so yeah!

[WerewolfHunter]

hey everyone,I’m phoneposting, but it’s my birthday, I’ll be online to reply when I’m able

Happy birthday!

[WerewolfHunter]

hey people stop writing paragraphs

I'm people! I would stop though cause I ate good food,The weather is nice and cozy and Im sleepy so yeah!

feel free to eat good food just don't try to be tempted by any version of me

[nutella]

The ITA mechanic is likely being enabled by someones "anything" role.
I don't think it's a mechanic that is a public game feature.

So how it works is likely not known information.

what why do you think it's tied to a role

im p sure it's just part of the game seeing as this is essentially a mash

[ColinIsCool]

Sloonei is open-wolfing lol [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Poison]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

Apart from texting for the campaign, you are me. : O

Gl with college stuff

lol. yes. My college just moved from in person to online.

I believe I have 4 werewolf/mafia games ongoing right now lol.

Ehhh that's rough. So are you scum this game? Or am I going to be wrong again? I'm Poison btw we played in Logic's game? ^^

[Timsup2nothin]

So, I looked through Poison's ISO, and here are most of my thoughts on him, or at least on things that are or may be AI.

Spoiler: show

One of the things I'm wondering is why he choose Tim over Maple when he said this earlier:

I'm probably shooting Tim/maple in the next ITA.

(Big quote below)

Spoiler: show

ITA2 Spicy Shots
Urist - Rej - [/color]HIT, Town Doctor/Vig thing (cool role)
Poison - Timsup2nothin - MISS
iaafr - motel room - HIT, Town Odd Night Somewhat Guilty Vigilante
WerewolfHunter - Xalt - MISS
MartinGG99 - Exalt - HIT, Town Role Cop?
DaisyCloud - funnygirl55 - HIT, Mafia Mikey Sub Out Traveller Thing
Marcher Jovian - sprityo - MISS
Long Con - NANOOK - Refunded/failed
jumpluff - Long Con - MISS
SilverKeith - Ephemeral - MISS
Adam - AWESOME-O - MISS

there's 5+ wolves in this

Ok so this. Urist was bad to randomly shoot rej out of nowhere will iso him then Martin maybe.

@jumpluff why long con?

Also I would like to iso Adam later.

The thing that is bad about Urist's shot is that he hit a townie. Bad luck that with (probably) shots that were on wolves missing the shot that hits was that one...but the fact that it hit doesn't automatically make it more wolfy than any other shot targeting a townie.

Yours, for example.

I understand that the only person that knows I am a townie is me. But the town makes a shot list and a veto list for a reason. It keeps wolves from being able to just plink away as they see fit because we know that their preference is going to be to shoot townies. By ignoring the lists a townie provides cover for wolves. So in that regard Urist's shot, while having unfortunate results, was not as "bad" as yours.

I shot at you specifically because you committed ahead of time that you were going to take a bad shot and nothing snort of killing you was going to stop you.

So here's the thing...I don't like Hank's role. If he is a wolf he is always going to target town, and maybe he already has. If he is town he doesn't seem to be following the game closely enough to make good choices consistently. Either way I am unlikely to cry over his demise.

However, I shot at you for a good reason, so I can't pretend that I would cry over your demise either. Unless...you get it. Show me that you understand the point of the lists, and agree to abide by them. I'm always gonna say wolfy shit anyway, so chances are good that if I live very long I'll wind up on the shot list and you can shoot at me then and feel good about it. But the town can't allow hero shotting townies that give cover to wolves.

Okay?

@Poison Chan

I'm really very sorry sir, and tbh, even if you shoot me again or make others shoot me I won't be following any lists which are made by unknown alignments cause nothing and no one is spewed town yet and it's day 1 and I don't trust those whom you have taken for a fact are TOWN, again.

The thing is, Idc about the list, in that list I'm boldly predicting at least 2-3 wolves are there . So if you really think I would be laying low for the sake of surviving a little more by listening to those blindly instead of scum hunting based on my reads and assumptions and intuitions then you are wrong.

The fact you have consistently said opposite about almost all my scum reads till now is concerning.

also, you don't have to cry over my demise, my ability flip would bring drama in your life.

He states early on with his plan to shoot Maple or Tim, but decides to go after Tim despite the fact that Maple was creating a veto list that included Tim in it? Why didn't he shoot Maple, especially if he were "boldly predicting" 2-3 wolves were in it?

Other than this, most of his other posts I don't feel particularly scummy or towny about.

His reactions to the first ITA window seemed a bit meme-y or silly and wanting to see "spicy" (If I'm using the term right?) things, at least from my PoV. His interactions on the 2nd ITA window seemed to be because of the first, so I'm not sure if I can call it scummy or suspicious that he acted a bit differently in comparison to the 1st and 2nd windows.

Spoiler: show

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

Also, in light of the Hank + Poison fight situation, I'm leaning towards Poison being thrown out if possible. I looked at Hank and I don't have any objections or negative thoughts about him so far. If mafia wanted to get rid of Poison Chan I feel they would've tried to wait and check out other routes to do that rather than just use a potentially back-firing ability before the first 24 hours of the game.

Martin, I'll be answering according to your points, including the ones within the spoiler,

-why I chose to shoot Tim over maple when I said that earlier?
Maple was green checked by HK, a strongman cop iirc, the term, which was after Maple's Miller claim. Even though I scum read someone, I cannot totally overlook a mech check followed by the death of the claimed cop with redacted role.


-the veto list? I explained the veto list thing somewhat to tim before and the one you quoted, well why I chose tim over maple is written above and why I did not follow the veto list? Let's take an example, you are a town and you are scum reading me, now suddenly someone who has my meta say ted, vetos me, would you not go forward and take actions against me as a town when you are not sure whether ted is scum or town himself? @Timsup2nothin you read it too.

-ITAS
If you scroll up a bit you'll see my reply to Hyena about the ITA thing.

-hank/poison
I don't know what you meant by "thrown out" also, I think it's likely to be a TvT.

@MartinGG99 anything else?

I think we already covered that. If ITAs are going to be good for the town then they have to be organized and controlled by consensus, not just hero shotting villagers running amok. So, yeah, I abide by the consensus. A fair number of people told me the person I wanted to shoot was just town, and when I suggested my next choice there was a lot less disagreement. That doesn't mean the there were no wolves among the people disagreeing with my first choice or make my first choice some kind of lock villager, but it is a better guide than my own wild hero shotting feelings would likely be.

[Poison]

Sloonei is open-wolfing lol [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

True tbh, at least he is different from whatever little I played with him.

Also who are you? Did we interact before? So many new faces. Smh smh.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is open-wolfing lol [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

You insolent fool! Do you desire a vat of acid as well!?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is open-wolfing lol [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

True tbh, at least he is different from whatever little I played with him.

Also who are you? Did we interact before? So many new faces. Smh smh.

Dr Sloonman will act according to the schemes set out for him!

[WerewolfHunter]

i'm somewhat here now

Where were you? What are your reads?

sleeping, eating, playing other games, trying to catch up, taking an online class for fun, texting for Biden's campaign, checking college stuff as well.

I think the reads I have from yesterday have stayed pretty similar. However, I'm starting to think Punchy may not be village here

Right now, I would prefer Hank thunderdome wise.

Apart from texting for the campaign, you are me. : O

Gl with college stuff

lol. yes. My college just moved from in person to online.

I believe I have 4 werewolf/mafia games ongoing right now lol.

Ehhh that's rough. So are you scum this game? Or am I going to be wrong again? I'm Poison btw we played in Logic's game? ^^

I'm more just playing this game for fun as is. I do prefer Hank though for the thunderdome.

since, ui'm playing for fun my role is perfect and I don't care either way what others decide. honestly, diening night 3 means had a three fun days of the game and if a last longer gives me more time to rp

[Poison]

Sloonei is open-wolfing lol [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

True tbh, at least he is different from whatever little I played with him.

Also who are you? Did we interact before? So many new faces. Smh smh.

Dr Sloonman will act according to the schemes set out for him!

What is the name of your role the one u picked?

[PunchyTheCat]

okay so wwh wasn't as wolfy as i remembered

actually mildly towny

sorry lol

[Poison]

So, I looked through Poison's ISO, and here are most of my thoughts on him, or at least on things that are or may be AI.

Spoiler: show

One of the things I'm wondering is why he choose Tim over Maple when he said this earlier:

I'm probably shooting Tim/maple in the next ITA.

(Big quote below)

Spoiler: show

ITA2 Spicy Shots
Urist - Rej - [/color]HIT, Town Doctor/Vig thing (cool role)
Poison - Timsup2nothin - MISS
iaafr - motel room - HIT, Town Odd Night Somewhat Guilty Vigilante
WerewolfHunter - Xalt - MISS
MartinGG99 - Exalt - HIT, Town Role Cop?
DaisyCloud - funnygirl55 - HIT, Mafia Mikey Sub Out Traveller Thing
Marcher Jovian - sprityo - MISS
Long Con - NANOOK - Refunded/failed
jumpluff - Long Con - MISS
SilverKeith - Ephemeral - MISS
Adam - AWESOME-O - MISS

there's 5+ wolves in this

Ok so this. Urist was bad to randomly shoot rej out of nowhere will iso him then Martin maybe.

@jumpluff why long con?

Also I would like to iso Adam later.

The thing that is bad about Urist's shot is that he hit a townie. Bad luck that with (probably) shots that were on wolves missing the shot that hits was that one...but the fact that it hit doesn't automatically make it more wolfy than any other shot targeting a townie.

Yours, for example.

I understand that the only person that knows I am a townie is me. But the town makes a shot list and a veto list for a reason. It keeps wolves from being able to just plink away as they see fit because we know that their preference is going to be to shoot townies. By ignoring the lists a townie provides cover for wolves. So in that regard Urist's shot, while having unfortunate results, was not as "bad" as yours.

I shot at you specifically because you committed ahead of time that you were going to take a bad shot and nothing snort of killing you was going to stop you.

So here's the thing...I don't like Hank's role. If he is a wolf he is always going to target town, and maybe he already has. If he is town he doesn't seem to be following the game closely enough to make good choices consistently. Either way I am unlikely to cry over his demise.

However, I shot at you for a good reason, so I can't pretend that I would cry over your demise either. Unless...you get it. Show me that you understand the point of the lists, and agree to abide by them. I'm always gonna say wolfy shit anyway, so chances are good that if I live very long I'll wind up on the shot list and you can shoot at me then and feel good about it. But the town can't allow hero shotting townies that give cover to wolves.

Okay?

@Poison Chan

I'm really very sorry sir, and tbh, even if you shoot me again or make others shoot me I won't be following any lists which are made by unknown alignments cause nothing and no one is spewed town yet and it's day 1 and I don't trust those whom you have taken for a fact are TOWN, again.

The thing is, Idc about the list, in that list I'm boldly predicting at least 2-3 wolves are there . So if you really think I would be laying low for the sake of surviving a little more by listening to those blindly instead of scum hunting based on my reads and assumptions and intuitions then you are wrong.

The fact you have consistently said opposite about almost all my scum reads till now is concerning.

also, you don't have to cry over my demise, my ability flip would bring drama in your life.

He states early on with his plan to shoot Maple or Tim, but decides to go after Tim despite the fact that Maple was creating a veto list that included Tim in it? Why didn't he shoot Maple, especially if he were "boldly predicting" 2-3 wolves were in it?

Other than this, most of his other posts I don't feel particularly scummy or towny about.

His reactions to the first ITA window seemed a bit meme-y or silly and wanting to see "spicy" (If I'm using the term right?) things, at least from my PoV. His interactions on the 2nd ITA window seemed to be because of the first, so I'm not sure if I can call it scummy or suspicious that he acted a bit differently in comparison to the 1st and 2nd windows.

Spoiler: show

ITA=TonyStarkPrime

I'm getting chills. You are interesting.

Also, in light of the Hank + Poison fight situation, I'm leaning towards Poison being thrown out if possible. I looked at Hank and I don't have any objections or negative thoughts about him so far. If mafia wanted to get rid of Poison Chan I feel they would've tried to wait and check out other routes to do that rather than just use a potentially back-firing ability before the first 24 hours of the game.

Martin, I'll be answering according to your points, including the ones within the spoiler,

-why I chose to shoot Tim over maple when I said that earlier?
Maple was green checked by HK, a strongman cop iirc, the term, which was after Maple's Miller claim. Even though I scum read someone, I cannot totally overlook a mech check followed by the death of the claimed cop with redacted role.


-the veto list? I explained the veto list thing somewhat to tim before and the one you quoted, well why I chose tim over maple is written above and why I did not follow the veto list? Let's take an example, you are a town and you are scum reading me, now suddenly someone who has my meta say ted, vetos me, would you not go forward and take actions against me as a town when you are not sure whether ted is scum or town himself? @Timsup2nothin you read it too.

-ITAS
If you scroll up a bit you'll see my reply to Hyena about the ITA thing.

-hank/poison
I don't know what you meant by "thrown out" also, I think it's likely to be a TvT.

@MartinGG99 anything else?

I think we already covered that. If ITAs are going to be good for the town then they have to be organized and controlled by consensus, not just hero shotting villagers running amok. So, yeah, I abide by the consensus. A fair number of people told me the person I wanted to shoot was just town, and when I suggested my next choice there was a lot less disagreement. That doesn't mean the there were no wolves among the people disagreeing with my first choice or make my first choice some kind of lock villager, but it is a better guide than my own wild hero shotting feelings would likely be.

I think talking about it any further would mean running in a circle.

[MartinGG99]

Spoiler: show

Martin, I'll be answering according to your points, including the ones within the spoiler,

-why I chose to shoot Tim over maple when I said that earlier?
Maple was green checked by HK, a strongman cop iirc, the term, which was after Maple's Miller claim. Even though I scum read someone, I cannot totally overlook a mech check followed by the death of the claimed cop with redacted role.


-the veto list? I explained the veto list thing somewhat to tim before and the one you quoted, well why I chose tim over maple is written above and why I did not follow the veto list? Let's take an example, you are a town and you are scum reading me, now suddenly someone who has my meta say ted, vetos me, would you not go forward and take actions against me as a town when you are not sure whether ted is scum or town himself? @Timsup2nothin you read it too.

-ITAS
If you scroll up a bit you'll see my reply to Hyena about the ITA thing.

-hank/poison
I don't know what you meant by "thrown out" also, I think it's likely to be a TvT.

@MartinGG99 anything else?

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention]

Okay. I think they're perfectly acceptable reasons. I'm giving a response to each of them here:

Spoiler: show

-I forgot Maple was mech checked by hollowcat (I really need to make a list of notes for remembering context).

-In my personal experience though, I would go with the veto list given my inexperience (which ironically showed itself when I shot someone on the veto list...And that wasn't really even due to inexperience tbh). I wasn't really holding it against you for going against the veto list -- only that at the time I didn't know why you went Tim over Maple. Your ISO now, with the context of response/point #1 shows thought progression that I'm now not suspicious of.

-Point/Response #3 is related to Point #2 above. I didn't have an exact problem with the ITA's, but rather how you came to those conclusions. Obviously, I missed a few details in context (there are quite a large # of posts).

-What I meant by "thrown out" is the person who loses. Unless I'm unaware of some mechanic, IDK if its possible to save you both in the fight so it seems like it being "TvT" is irrelevant since now I have to judge you both on a relative level to decide who'll die.

As I said, the only points in there were my only issues. I don't like that one of yall have to die (Hank + Poison Chan). I'm bit indecisive at the moment for most people. I'll vote hank on a basis of "who may have more utility in the long run", and I don't think Hank is going have any long-game utility or content if he tunnels on you or other people like he did today. Once again, this is a relative determination, not whether I think you're both town or not.

Moving my single vote in accordance, unless @Hank has something to say that hasn't been discussed already?

[VOTE: Hank] aubergine

[PunchyTheCat]

okay so wwh wasn't as wolfy as i remembered

actually mildly towny

sorry lol

also coliniscool iso was villagery

[WerewolfHunter]

okay so wwh wasn't as wolfy as i remembered

actually mildly towny

sorry lol

I personally don't read myself as town because I'm more just hanging back and mostly rping when I feel like it. These reads kind of surprise me.